DivideByPi CD

Hello tuning list friends,

The 'Divide By Pi' Cd is now available for private sale if any of you are
interested. A couple of tracks employ Kraig Grady's 'Centaur' tuning, one
employs Paul Hahn's 32-consonance one, one track uses 7-tet, and a couple of
others are so wacky-timbred out, that tuning is almost irrelevant (although
technically, probably one of the above)

The CD's will be sold for $15. Eventually, we will have a CD-Baby page, and
something on our website--but for now, if you can't wait, contact me at info
at dividebypi.com, and we can exchange goods and money the old fashioned way:
checks and snail mail!

All Best,
--
Aaron Krister Johnson
http://www.akjmusic.com
http://www.dividebypi.com

OCEAN, n. A body of water occupying about two-thirds of a world made
for man -- who has no gills. -Ambrose Bierce 'The Devils Dictionary'

>The 'Divide By Pi' Cd is now available for private sale if any of you are
>interested. A couple of tracks employ Kraig Grady's 'Centaur' tuning, one
>employs Paul Hahn's 32-consonance one, one track uses 7-tet, and a couple
>of others are so wacky-timbred out, that tuning is almost irrelevant
>(although technically, probably one of the above)
>
>The CD's will be sold for $15. Eventually, we will have a CD-Baby page,
>and something on our website--but for now, if you can't wait, contact me
>at info at dividebypi.com, and we can exchange goods and money the old
>fashioned way: checks and snail mail!

I've been looking forward to this release, based on the samples you've
released. Unfortunately I'm no longer buying CDs, not for $15. I've
got no room to store the 1200+ discs I already have. I'll give you $10
including shipping, or $15 for LAME alt-preset standard mp3s with
nicely populated metadata.

-Carl

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:

> I've been looking forward to this release, based on the samples you've
> released. Unfortunately I'm no longer buying CDs, not for $15. I've
> got no room to store the 1200+ discs I already have.

The way you do that is take them out of the jewel boxes.

>> I've been looking forward to this release, based on the samples
>> you've released. Unfortunately I'm no longer buying CDs, not for
>> $15. I've got no room to store the 1200+ discs I already have.
>
>The way you do that is take them out of the jewel boxes.

I discarded my jewel cases in 1996, when I switched to Case Logic
binders. Then, in 1998, I switched to Univenture DJ Express 400s...

http://www.univenture.com/acatalog/disc_jockey.html

(they're the best).

Unfortunately, I'm left with a huge investment in a black box --
manual ripping would take forever, while politicians debate my
right to transfer at all. It's a unfathomable investment
vulnerable to theft, fire and shelf-life considerations. It still
takes up a huge amount of floor space, which costs real money in
Berkeley. Meanwhile, simply getting out a bunch of discs, loading
them in the car, and refiling them takes a surprising amount of
time. And the three I have are 'bout full, which means a further
investment in CDs will require a further investment in sleeves and
space. A CD simply isn't worth $15. For an independent artist I
want to support, the music might be worth that, but we've got to
factor in the time it takes me to get the music off the CD, and the
negative environmental impact of shipping the CD and then throwing
it away.

-Carl

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:

> A CD simply isn't worth $15. For an independent artist I
> want to support, the music might be worth that, but we've got to
> factor in the time it takes me to get the music off the CD, and the
> negative environmental impact of shipping the CD and then throwing
> it away.

I don't understand the idea that we are going to support microtonal
composers by buying albums, because the market is so tiny. It seems
absurd to me not to put it on the web.

>> A CD simply isn't worth $15. For an independent artist I
>> want to support, the music might be worth that, but we've got to
>> factor in the time it takes me to get the music off the CD, and the
>> negative environmental impact of shipping the CD and then throwing
>> it away.
>
>I don't understand the idea that we are going to support microtonal
>composers by buying albums, because the market is so tiny. It seems
>absurd to me not to put it on the web.

The problem is viewing it as "microtonal music". Howabout viewing
it as "music"?

"Microtonal" doesn't have the power to make anything good. And
the vast majority of listeners probably can't tell the difference
anyway (especially since the vast majority don't know that
microtonality exists).

-Carl

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:

> "Microtonal" doesn't have the power to make anything good. And
> the vast majority of listeners probably can't tell the difference
> anyway (especially since the vast majority don't know that
> microtonality exists).

I think there are probably many people not interested in
microtonality per se who would like what Aaron writes, or what I do,
but I don't see a way of communicating that to any prospective
audience.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:

/makemicromusic/topicId_5902.html#5907

> >> I've been looking forward to this release, based on the samples
> >> you've released. Unfortunately I'm no longer buying CDs, not for
> >> $15. I've got no room to store the 1200+ discs I already have.
> >
> >The way you do that is take them out of the jewel boxes.
>
> I discarded my jewel cases in 1996, when I switched to Case Logic
> binders. Then, in 1998, I switched to Univenture DJ Express 400s...
>
> http://www.univenture.com/acatalog/disc_jockey.html
>
> (they're the best).
>
> Unfortunately, I'm left with a huge investment in a black box --
> manual ripping would take forever, while politicians debate my
> right to transfer at all. It's a unfathomable investment
> vulnerable to theft, fire and shelf-life considerations. It still
> takes up a huge amount of floor space, which costs real money in
> Berkeley. Meanwhile, simply getting out a bunch of discs, loading
> them in the car, and refiling them takes a surprising amount of
> time. And the three I have are 'bout full, which means a further
> investment in CDs will require a further investment in sleeves and
> space. A CD simply isn't worth $15. For an independent artist I
> want to support, the music might be worth that, but we've got to
> factor in the time it takes me to get the music off the CD, and the
> negative environmental impact of shipping the CD and then throwing
> it away.
>
> -Carl

***I'm very "anti CD" for any number of reasons. I always have been,
but now there are viable alternatives, even commercial ones for
people interested...

JP

>> "Microtonal" doesn't have the power to make anything good.
>> And the vast majority of listeners probably can't tell the
>> difference anyway (especially since the vast majority don't
>> know that microtonality exists).
>
>I think there are probably many people not interested in
>microtonality per se who would like what Aaron writes, or what
>I do, but I don't see a way of communicating that to any
>prospective audience.

Huh? Why wouldn't listening to it work???

-Carl

> >I do, but I don't see a way of communicating that to any
> >prospective audience.
>
> Huh? Why wouldn't listening to it work???
> -Carl

Carl, he's talking about how to initially reach a prospective audience so
that they find out about your music in the first place. If you have some
gigs around town, then someday people might hear about you from other
people. If you have zillions of dollars like the RIAA members, you can put
on a big advertising blitz. If you're one guy in a garage with some
home-made instruments, you do what to spread the word? ;-)

Rick

Rick,

{you wrote...}
> > Huh? Why wouldn't listening to it work???
> > -Carl
>
>Carl, he's talking about how to initially reach a prospective audience so
>that they find out about your music in the first place. If you have some
>gigs around town, then someday people might hear about you from other
>people. If you have zillions of dollars like the RIAA members, you can put
>on a big advertising blitz. If you're one guy in a garage with some
>home-made instruments, you do what to spread the word? ;-)

Very well put. I think Aaron is certainly on the right track, and I hope people will support his efforts *at least* in the first way he is trying, which is creating CDs. I was impressed with the efforts of a band (*not* of home-made instruments) to answer Rick's final question:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.03/play.html?pg=6

Cheers,
Jon

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith"

/makemicromusic/topicId_5902.html#5909

<gwsmith@s...> wrote:
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:
>
> > A CD simply isn't worth $15. For an independent artist I
> > want to support, the music might be worth that, but we've got to
> > factor in the time it takes me to get the music off the CD, and
the
> > negative environmental impact of shipping the CD and then throwing
> > it away.
>
> I don't understand the idea that we are going to support microtonal
> composers by buying albums, because the market is so tiny. It seems
> absurd to me not to put it on the web.

***I suppose if I were a "big name brand" composer I wouldn't be
putting so much of my stuff out on the web for free... But, frankly,
if I were a listener and hadn't heard of myself, I wouldn't want
to "shell out" to take a chance. It's a little like Groucho Marx not
wanting to join a club that would accept him...

In the meantime, I'm running into *lots* of people, especially on the
Internet, who know all about me and my music, and I've never met
these people! They also say very nice things... :)

So, maybe this direction is working. I get over 200 people listening
to my stuff (and downloading it) over on Soundclick every month.

I'm sure all the DJ's have downloaded much of it already, so snippets
of myself will probably be the next hip-hop sensation... :)

Also, my *printed* music is available from sheetmusicplus.com, so I
guess there is something of a commercial aspect to this, anyway...

J. Pehrson

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <ekin@l...> wrote:

/makemicromusic/topicId_5902.html#5921

> >> "Microtonal" doesn't have the power to make anything good.
> >> And the vast majority of listeners probably can't tell the
> >> difference anyway (especially since the vast majority don't
> >> know that microtonality exists).
> >
> >I think there are probably many people not interested in
> >microtonality per se who would like what Aaron writes, or what
> >I do, but I don't see a way of communicating that to any
> >prospective audience.
>
> Huh? Why wouldn't listening to it work???
>
> -Carl

***I think Gene means how to, specifically, *advertise* it...

Well, maybe some good metatags for search engines is a good place to
start...

Also, probably links from various composer sites can't hurt... (AMC,
ACF...)

JP