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19tet examples.

🔗John Starrett <jstarret@...>

8/9/2001 10:19:36 AM

Hi Joe and all. The 2 mystery examples I posted are such:
19ws1.mp3 moves between major chords a 19tet whole step (3 chromatic
steps) apart via a one chromatic step leading tone, while 19ws2.mp3
uses a two chromatic step leading tone.

Example 19ws1: C Db D D C# C
Example 19ws2: C C# D D Db C

Diatonically, one would use a two chromatic leading tone resolving the
dominant to the tonic, since the one chromatic step leading tone, as
the third of the dominant would be way too sharp. In this example with
parallel chord movement, example 1 sounds much better to me.

🔗jpehrson@...

8/9/2001 11:24:43 AM

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> Hi Joe and all. The 2 mystery examples I posted are such:
> 19ws1.mp3 moves between major chords a 19tet whole step (3
chromatic
> steps) apart via a one chromatic step leading tone, while 19ws2.mp3
> uses a two chromatic step leading tone.
>
> Example 19ws1: C Db D D C# C
> Example 19ws2: C C# D D Db C
>
> Diatonically, one would use a two chromatic leading tone resolving
the dominant to the tonic, since the one chromatic step leading tone,
as the third of the dominant would be way too sharp. In this example
with parallel chord movement, example 1 sounds much better to me.

Hi John!

Thanks for this interesting puzzle. Well, I guess I got a bit of the
puzzle... I could clearly hear the "sharper" ascent of the C# in the
second example, but wasn't hearing the first example with less of
a "leading tone" effect...

Now, after you explain it, I'm hearing them all entirely
differently....

That pretty much shows to me how "preconception" can influence
perception, and perception is entirely "relative..."

So, looks like "crazy man" is surely right on that score...

__________ _________ _________
Joseph Pehrson

🔗John Starrett <jstarret@...>

8/9/2001 11:53:56 AM

<snip>
>
> Hi John!
>
> Thanks for this interesting puzzle. Well, I guess I got a bit of
the
> puzzle... I could clearly hear the "sharper" ascent of the C# in the
> second example, but wasn't hearing the first example with less of
> a "leading tone" effect...
>
> Now, after you explain it, I'm hearing them all entirely
> differently....
>
> That pretty much shows to me how "preconception" can influence
> perception, and perception is entirely "relative..."
>
> So, looks like "crazy man" is surely right on that score...
>
> __________ _________ _________
> Joseph Pehrson

And perception changes over time without preconception. Now I prefer
the second example...wait, now the first...wait!...