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I need some help concerning the electric guitar of which I have,
obviously, limited knowledge.

I was astonished to find all the different kinds of sounds and kinds
of "distortion" that are possible with this instrument. It's a
whole "electronic laboratory..."

In the first place, what kind of distortion pedals are there? I know
there are also various *levels* of distortion, and it seems to make a
lot of difference.

Also, lets say I wanted to purchase an inexpensive electric guitar to
try all of this out. Is it possible to just plug it into my mixer?
Don't I need some kind of *preamp?* Can I get such a preamp so that
I can run it through my stereo system, rather than purchasing one of
those big black box type amps that people keep destroying after every
concert?? Just curious. Are there any websites about this.

Any help would be *greatly* appreciated. I'm in the dark ages here...

Thanks!

J. Pehrson

🔗Joel <joelhickman_1999@...>

Hello Joe

Yes, I would get a pre-amp. I use digitech
pre-amps and boss effects for distortion
timbres. Here are some web sites I found
for you. I hope they are helpful!

www.zzounds.com

www.worldmusicsupply.com

www.geocities.com/bestdistortion/pedals

www.guitarbasics.com/guitar/buy/distortion_pedals.htm

psyrox.net/britney/ibanez10.htm

www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2002/MM-X-OD-X.html

www.daddys.com/diped.shtml

www.guitartabbooks.com/freelessons/distortionp.htm

www.onlinerock.com/clubs/bestdistortion/pedals.htm

Take care!
Joel

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson"
<jpehrson@r...> wrote:
> I need some help concerning the electric guitar of which I have,
> obviously, limited knowledge.
>
> I was astonished to find all the different kinds of sounds and
kinds
> of "distortion" that are possible with this instrument. It's a
> whole "electronic laboratory..."
>
> In the first place, what kind of distortion pedals are there? I
know
> there are also various *levels* of distortion, and it seems to make
a
> lot of difference.
>
> Also, lets say I wanted to purchase an inexpensive electric guitar
to
> try all of this out. Is it possible to just plug it into my mixer?
> Don't I need some kind of *preamp?* Can I get such a preamp so that
> I can run it through my stereo system, rather than purchasing one
of
> those big black box type amps that people keep destroying after
every
> concert?? Just curious. Are there any websites about this.
>
> Any help would be *greatly* appreciated. I'm in the dark ages
here...
>
> Thanks!
>
> J. Pehrson

🔗petesfriedclams@...

Hi Joseph! I haven't looked at the websites Joel listed, but there's a ton of stuff, most of it's relatively inexpensive and /or cheap...They can also be fussy and costly if you develop the appreciation for it. I think the most inviting prospect is amplifier simulation software, Sonar comes with rudimentary ones that work, I think...for ProTools there's Line Six's Amp Farm which may not be cheap but it covers the spectrum in its way. It's The Pod on your computer, and then some... I like to go with what attracts me if it's not a lot of money...and sometimes even when it IS... But with something as common as electric guitar these days, what could fall into your lap as a loan or a freebie could be plenty. Don't spend ANY money if you don't have to on something that the market has been flooded with for a long time! Direct signals (as in the guitar straight into your mixer) are most often combined with some processed signal, eg an amp mic'ed, with "stomp-boxes", etc. preamping (tubes are hard to beat, in almost any application, because solid-state and digital distortion tend to make you to want to turn the thing off, if you didn't already.) Those funky 'pedals' usually don't work without some electro-acoustic intervention on the part of an amp and a microphone... I haven't checked lately, but it used to be that a $25 pawn-shop "practice amp" could produce the most wonderful electric guitar tone you ever heard, where the guitarist begins to pick like a violinist would know how to bow! Best of luck, and try to borrow something before you buy it, on account of it's common as dirt. But there are some who can really find the nuance in the paper the speakers are made of, and work back from there to the actual circuitry in the amplifiers, caps and resistors and tubes and transformers... Again, this is not to discourage you by any means, just to say, "Take what you can get with some degree of reverence", and you'll probably like what you hear without much cash investment, especially if you try a 'slide', and as you already have been doing for a while, consider what the frets don't imply, really.

Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@...> wrote:I need some help concerning the electric guitar of which I have,
obviously, limited knowledge.

I was astonished to find all the different kinds of sounds and kinds
of "distortion" that are possible with this instrument. It's a
whole "electronic laboratory..."

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Joel "

/makemicromusic/topicId_4547.html#4548

<joelhickman_1999@y...> wrote:
> Hello Joe
>
> Yes, I would get a pre-amp. I use digitech
> pre-amps and boss effects for distortion
> timbres. Here are some web sites I found
> for you. I hope they are helpful!
>
> www.zzounds.com
>
>
> www.worldmusicsupply.com
>
>
> www.geocities.com/bestdistortion/pedals
>
>
> www.guitarbasics.com/guitar/buy/distortion_pedals.htm
>
>
> psyrox.net/britney/ibanez10.htm
>
>
> www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2002/MM-X-OD-X.html
>
>
> www.daddys.com/diped.shtml
>
>
> www.guitartabbooks.com/freelessons/distortionp.htm
>
>
> www.onlinerock.com/clubs/bestdistortion/pedals.htm
>
> Take care!
> Joel
>
>

***Thanks so much, Joel, for all these links. I Googled upon
zzounds.com myself... Well, it looks as though "Zoom" has some
inexpensive multieffects boxes that one can just plug headphones
into... Don't know how good they sound...

I'll check into the other sites. Thanks again!

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "petesfriedclams@s..."

/makemicromusic/topicId_4547.html#4549

<petesfriedclams@s...> wrote:
> Hi Joseph! I haven't looked at the websites Joel listed, but
there's a ton of stuff, most of it's relatively inexpensive and /or
cheap...

***Thanks for the help, and particularly for the idea that there is
lots of this stuff "out there" and one doesn't have to spend a lot of
money to try stuff out. This is great news...

Thanks!

J. Pehrson

🔗Joel Hickman <joelhickman_1999@...>

Glad to help!!

As Mr. Pete stated, there are other
web sites and other ways
of purchasing equipment.
E-bay is great for buying
musical equipment and effects!!
I have purchased microphones,
guitars, and sheet music
on E-bay! Check them out!

Take care!
Joel

--- Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@...> wrote:
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Joel "
>
>
/makemicromusic/topicId_4547.html#4548
>
> <joelhickman_1999@y...> wrote:
> > Hello Joe
> >
> > Yes, I would get a pre-amp. I use digitech
> > pre-amps and boss effects for distortion
> > timbres. Here are some web sites I found
> > for you. I hope they are helpful!
> >
> > www.zzounds.com
> >
> >
> > www.worldmusicsupply.com
> >
> >
> > www.geocities.com/bestdistortion/pedals
> >
> >
> >
>
www.guitarbasics.com/guitar/buy/distortion_pedals.htm
>
> >
> >
> > psyrox.net/britney/ibanez10.htm
> >
> >
> > www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2002/MM-X-OD-X.html
> >
> >
> > www.daddys.com/diped.shtml
> >
> >
> > www.guitartabbooks.com/freelessons/distortionp.htm
>
> >
> >
> > www.onlinerock.com/clubs/bestdistortion/pedals.htm
>
> >
> > Take care!
> > Joel
> >
> >
>
> ***Thanks so much, Joel, for all these links. I
> Googled upon
> zzounds.com myself... Well, it looks as though
> "Zoom" has some
> inexpensive multieffects boxes that one can just
> plug headphones
> into... Don't know how good they sound...
>
> I'll check into the other sites. Thanks again!
>
> JP
>
>
>

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🔗wallyesterpaulrus <wallyesterpaulrus@...>

so how did you find out? reading the tuning list? listening to jimi
hendrix?

> In the first place, what kind of distortion pedals are there? I know
> there are also various *levels* of distortion, and it seems to make
a
> lot of difference.

have you read this yet?

http://www.geofex.com/effxfaq/distn101.htm

> Also, lets say I wanted to purchase an inexpensive electric guitar
to
> try all of this out. Is it possible to just plug it into my mixer?
> Don't I need some kind of *preamp?* Can I get such a preamp so that
> I can run it through my stereo system, rather than purchasing one of
> those big black box type amps that people keep destroying after
every
> concert?? Just curious. Are there any websites about this.
>
> Any help would be *greatly* appreciated. I'm in the dark ages
here...
>
> Thanks!
>
> J. Pehrson

you've gotten excellent suggestions so far, so let me add my 2 cents
since i do this every day:

you may not get a good sense of the possibilities of distortion
to inspire your creativity while playing through your stereo system.
my advice is to speak to jon catler (see, bringing this back on
subject), who in addition to being one of the world's finest
microtonal guitarists, is a master of distortion and feedback. he uses
a very small tube amp and this is what i would recommend if money is
no object -- it can run you $600, plus $300 for a decent guitar, to
acheive that sparkling tube amp tone. possibly he also uses some
pedals. from experience (including concert attendance) i know that 90%
of professional guitarists who use distortion pedals use either the
ibanez "tube screamer" or the pro-co "rat" or maybe one of the boss
pedals, but even these prefer that as much of the distortion as
possible is being instigated by the tube amp itself . . . and there
are real fun tricks you can play with *two* distortion pedals and a
(preferably distorting) amp; for real feedback/distortion inspiration
use with a *hollowbody* guitar . . .

ok, now down to earth. due to recent recording session in amsterdam, i
can finally (after 14 years of waiting) report on a decent-sounding
alternative to the amp, and to the other amp, and to this distortion
pedal, and to that one: the line 6 pod.

http://www.homerecording.com/line6pod.html

🔗David Beardsley <davidbeardsley@...>

----- Original Message -----
From: "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@...>

> you've gotten excellent suggestions so far, so let me add my 2 cents
> since i do this every day:
>
> you may not get a good sense of the possibilities of distortion
> to inspire your creativity while playing through your stereo system.
> my advice is to speak to jon catler (see, bringing this back on
> subject), who in addition to being one of the world's finest
> microtonal guitarists, is a master of distortion and feedback. he uses
> a very small tube amp

A very small tube amp? It depends on the size of the venue.

>and this is what i would recommend if money is
> no object -- it can run you $600, plus $300 for a decent guitar, to
> acheive that sparkling tube amp tone.

Low balling the price Paul?

> possibly he also uses some pedals.

Possibly? This isn't real obvious from listening to his CDs?

> from experience (including concert attendance) i know that 90%
> of professional guitarists who use distortion pedals use either the
> ibanez "tube screamer" or the pro-co "rat" or maybe one of the boss
> pedals,

He uses a TC Electronics sustainer and a bunch of Fulltone products,
along with a Boomerang looper.

> but even these prefer that as much of the distortion as
> possible is being instigated by the tube amp itself . . . and there
> are real fun tricks you can play with *two* distortion pedals and a
> (preferably distorting) amp; for real feedback/distortion inspiration
> use with a *hollowbody* guitar . . .
>
> ok, now down to earth. due to recent recording session in amsterdam, i
> can finally (after 14 years of waiting) report on a decent-sounding
> alternative to the amp, and to the other amp, and to this distortion
> pedal, and to that one: the line 6 pod.

Tone is subjective. The Pod sucks. You have to be f*cking deaf Paul.

* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"

/makemicromusic/topicId_4547.html#4553

<wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Pehrson"
> <jpehrson@r...> wrote:
> > I need some help concerning the electric guitar of which I have,
> > obviously, limited knowledge.
> >
> > I was astonished to find all the different kinds of sounds and
kinds
> > of "distortion" that are possible with this instrument. It's a
> > whole "electronic laboratory..."
>
> so how did you find out? reading the tuning list? listening to jimi
> hendrix?
>

***Hi Paul,

Thanks for all the suggestions! Actually, although I remember Jimi
Hendrix from the past, my enthusiasm was triggered by a visit to a
friend to has an electric guitar and who showed me the various levels
of distortion. I just realize now I would like to know more about
these possibilities if I continue writing pieces for electric guitar.

I realize I won't get a full sense of it with an inexpensive setup,
but at least it will be a start, so I could indicate, at least, on my
scores "mild distortion" or "heavy distortion", whatever, so that the
player could get a sense of it. That's really all I'm going for at
the moment. Maybe later I'll get into this in a bigger way...

Thanks for the tips...

🔗David Beardsley <davidbeardsley@...>

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Beardsley" <davidbeardsley@...>

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@...>

> > ok, now down to earth. due to recent recording session in amsterdam, i
> > can finally (after 14 years of waiting) report on a decent-sounding
> > alternative to the amp, and to the other amp, and to this distortion
> > pedal, and to that one: the line 6 pod.
>
> Tone is subjective. The Pod sucks. You have to be f*cking deaf Paul.

Maybe that was a bit over the top, but not that far.

I bought a Pod when they came out, used it for a few months and then
shelved it. Too flat sounding, not enough detail. Amp modeling has
a ways to go. Check alt.guitar.amps with Google groups, I'm not the
only one who feels this way.

Sorry to make it so personal, but I wouldn't recommend a modeling amp
to anyone.

I do have the Antares Microphone Modeler plug in - it works.

* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

🔗wallyesterpaulrus <wallyesterpaulrus@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, David Beardsley
<davidbeardsley@b...> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Beardsley" <davidbeardsley@b...>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@y...>
>
> > > ok, now down to earth. due to recent recording session in
amsterdam, i
> > > can finally (after 14 years of waiting) report on a
decent-sounding
> > > alternative to the amp, and to the other amp, and to this
distortion
> > > pedal, and to that one: the line 6 pod.
> >
> > Tone is subjective. The Pod sucks. You have to be f*cking deaf
Paul.
>
> Maybe that was a bit over the top, but not that far.
>
> I bought a Pod when they came out, used it for a few months and
then
> shelved it. Too flat sounding, not enough detail. Amp modeling has
> a ways to go. Check alt.guitar.amps with Google groups, I'm not the
> only one who feels this way.
>
> Sorry to make it so personal, but I wouldn't recommend a modeling
amp
> to anyone.
>
> I do have the Antares Microphone Modeler plug in - it works.

i wouldn't use the pod on gigs, but it was perfect for a particular
recording situation, and seemed like an apt recommendation for
joseph's intent of a low-priced living room experimental setup. yes,
i'm deaf :)

🔗wallyesterpaulrus <wallyesterpaulrus@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, David Beardsley
<davidbeardsley@b...> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@y...>
>
> > you've gotten excellent suggestions so far, so let me add my 2
cents
> > since i do this every day:
> >
> > you may not get a good sense of the possibilities of distortion
> > to inspire your creativity while playing through your stereo
system.
> > my advice is to speak to jon catler (see, bringing this back on
> > subject), who in addition to being one of the world's finest
> > microtonal guitarists, is a master of distortion and feedback. he
uses
> > a very small tube amp
>
> A very small tube amp? It depends on the size of the venue.

the venue in question is joseph's living room, dave. i'm sure catler
would use a larger amp at larger venues, but i saw him at a bar with
a small one, and the feedback was just luscious. joseph mentioned big
black boxy amps, and i didn't want him to feel that bulk was a
necessary condition . . . some classic guitar tracks have been
recorded using very low-power, small tube amps driven hard.

> >and this is what i would recommend if money is
> > no object -- it can run you $600, plus $300 for a decent guitar,
to
> > acheive that sparkling tube amp tone.
>
> Low balling the price Paul?

low balling . . . not sure what you're implying . . . if you look
around, some people get rid of great stuff for cheap without knowing
what it is . . . a 1970s fender 15-watt tube amp and a mexican tele
could easily run you this little and provide decent tone for
exploratory distortion/feedback experiments . . .

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"

/makemicromusic/topicId_4547.html#4558

<wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, David Beardsley
> <davidbeardsley@b...> wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@y...>
> >
> > > you've gotten excellent suggestions so far, so let me add my 2
> cents
> > > since i do this every day:
> > >
> > > you may not get a good sense of the possibilities of distortion
> > > to inspire your creativity while playing through your stereo
> system.
> > > my advice is to speak to jon catler (see, bringing this back on
> > > subject), who in addition to being one of the world's finest
> > > microtonal guitarists, is a master of distortion and feedback.
he
> uses
> > > a very small tube amp
> >
> > A very small tube amp? It depends on the size of the venue.
>
> the venue in question is joseph's living room, dave. i'm sure
catler
> would use a larger amp at larger venues, but i saw him at a bar
with
> a small one, and the feedback was just luscious. joseph mentioned
big
> black boxy amps, and i didn't want him to feel that bulk was a
> necessary condition . . . some classic guitar tracks have been
> recorded using very low-power, small tube amps driven hard.
>
> > >and this is what i would recommend if money is
> > > no object -- it can run you $600, plus $300 for a decent
guitar,
> to
> > > acheive that sparkling tube amp tone.
> >
> > Low balling the price Paul?
>
> low balling . . . not sure what you're implying . . . if you look
> around, some people get rid of great stuff for cheap without
knowing
> what it is . . . a 1970s fender 15-watt tube amp and a mexican tele
> could easily run you this little and provide decent tone for
> exploratory distortion/feedback experiments . . .

***Yes, this is exactly what I want to do. No big gig stuff. Just
some experimentation so I can learn to use guitar effects in some of
my pieces, without spending a lot of money....

Thanks for the tips!

Joseph

🔗David Beardsley <davidbeardsley@...>

----- Original Message -----
From: "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@...>
To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 12:51 AM
Subject: [MMM] Re: electric guitar help

> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, David Beardsley
> <davidbeardsley@b...> wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@y...>
> >
> > > you've gotten excellent suggestions so far, so let me add my 2
> cents
> > > since i do this every day:
> > >
> > > you may not get a good sense of the possibilities of distortion
> > > to inspire your creativity while playing through your stereo
> system.
> > > my advice is to speak to jon catler (see, bringing this back on
> > > subject), who in addition to being one of the world's finest
> > > microtonal guitarists, is a master of distortion and feedback. he
> uses
> > > a very small tube amp
> >
> > A very small tube amp? It depends on the size of the venue.
>
> the venue in question is joseph's living room, dave. i'm sure catler
> would use a larger amp at larger venues, but i saw him at a bar with
> a small one, and the feedback was just luscious. joseph mentioned big
> black boxy amps, and i didn't want him to feel that bulk was a
> necessary condition . . . some classic guitar tracks have been
> recorded using very low-power, small tube amps driven hard.

He was probably using his Mesa Boogie Mk.I (100/60 watts)
A very small tube amp? Not at 100/60 watts!

AND he likes to use two amps (I forget what he uses for a 2nd amp).

> > >and this is what i would recommend if money is
> > > no object -- it can run you $600, plus $300 for a decent guitar,
> to
> > > acheive that sparkling tube amp tone.
> >
> > Low balling the price Paul?
>
> low balling . . . not sure what you're implying . . . if you look
> around, some people get rid of great stuff for cheap without knowing
> what it is . . . a 1970s fender 15-watt tube amp and a mexican tele
> could easily run you this little and provide decent tone for
> exploratory distortion/feedback experiments . . .

I thought $300 is cheap for a decent guitar.

* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

🔗wallyesterpaulrus <wallyesterpaulrus@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, David Beardsley
<davidbeardsley@b...> wrote:

> I thought $300 is cheap for a decent guitar.

i've gotten some amazing deals, some through the tuning list, on used
guitars. i've found that in general, you can get a far better sound
with a $300 guitar and an $800 amp than with a $300 amp and an $800
guitar. electric solidbody guitar that is.

my second-least expensively obtained instrument is a barely used G&L
S-500 (same guitar jon catler uses, but normal fretting) and joseph's
heard plenty of my playing on it. i paid $600 for it in chicago. i'm
very picky . . . joseph isn't even a guitarist, so it would be silly
to recommend something more expensive than this. especially when
we're throwing the idea of an expensive amp around. you could play a
friggin' hondo through a distorted mesa boogie triple rectifier and
it would sound awesome.

🔗wallyesterpaulrus <wallyesterpaulrus@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, David Beardsley
<davidbeardsley@b...> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@y...>
>
> > i wouldn't use the pod on gigs, but it was perfect for a
particular
> > recording situation, and seemed like an apt recommendation for
> > joseph's intent of a low-priced living room experimental setup.
yes,
> > i'm deaf :)
>
> I wouldn't suggest a Pod to anyone for any use.

you've tried every setting on it, with different guitars? in a direct
recording situation? oh well, obviously there are some dissenting
opinions out there. besides the link i've already posted, you can
check out a boatload of user reviews of the pod here:

http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Line_6/POD-01.html

both positive and negative aspects pointed out by many, many
guitarists. should make for a better perspective than just listening
to two hotheads like us!

🔗wallyesterpaulrus <wallyesterpaulrus@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"
<wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:

> check out a boatload of user reviews of the pod here:
>
> http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Line_6/POD-01.html
>
> both positive and negative aspects pointed out by many, many
> guitarists. should make for a better perspective than just
listening
> to two hotheads like us!

i've read the first few dozen reviews and those who hated it were
inevitably playing it through some kind of amp -- and doubtless some
of these people forgot to turn the cabinet simulator off when they
did this!!! the cabinet simulator is for, and only for, direct
recording situations (or just jamming with headphones). and this is
where the thing shines, especially if you have a few different
guitars to try out with each amp/pedal model.

dave, are you saying that zoom or boss units sound better without an
amp than the pod? 'cuz you didn't tell the person who suggested those
that they were deaf . . .

🔗David Beardsley <davidbeardsley@...>

----- Original Message -----
From: "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@...>

> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, David Beardsley
> <davidbeardsley@b...> wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@y...>
> >
> > > i wouldn't use the pod on gigs, but it was perfect for a
> particular
> > > recording situation, and seemed like an apt recommendation for
> > > joseph's intent of a low-priced living room experimental setup.
> yes,
> > > i'm deaf :)
> >
> > I wouldn't suggest a Pod to anyone for any use.
>
> you've tried every setting on it, with different guitars? in a direct
> recording situation?

Of course. Even had my lap top plugged in to it to
try out different speakers. Kinda thin sounding.

>oh well, obviously there are some dissenting
> opinions out there. besides the link i've already posted, you can
> check out a boatload of user reviews of the pod here:
>
> http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Line_6/POD-01.html
>
> both positive and negative aspects pointed out by many, many
> guitarists. should make for a better perspective than just listening
> to two hotheads like us!

I wouldn't put too much value on Harmony Central opinions. I've
seen way too many ignorant "facts" posted these. That's why
I suggested alt.guitar.amps and Google groups, I think those
folks have a bit more experience (even though they're
pretty dam loony, a lot of them are experienced amp techs).

* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

🔗David Beardsley <davidbeardsley@...>

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From: "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@...>

> i've read the first few dozen reviews and those who hated it were
> inevitably playing it through some kind of amp -- and doubtless some
> of these people forgot to turn the cabinet simulator off when they
> did this!!! the cabinet simulator is for, and only for, direct
> recording situations (or just jamming with headphones). and this is
> where the thing shines, especially if you have a few different
> guitars to try out with each amp/pedal model.

Or plugging it into a PA.

> dave, are you saying that zoom or boss units sound better without an
> amp than the pod? 'cuz you didn't tell the person who suggested those
> that they were deaf . . .

I'm not a big fan of multi effects, so I'm not familiar enough
with those units to have an opinion.

* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

🔗David Beardsley <davidbeardsley@...>

----- Original Message -----
From: "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@...>

> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, David Beardsley
> <davidbeardsley@b...> wrote:
>
> > I thought $300 is cheap for a decent guitar.
>
> i've gotten some amazing deals, some through the tuning list, on used
> guitars. i've found that in general, you can get a far better sound
> with a $300 guitar and an $800 amp than with a $300 amp and an $800
> guitar. electric solidbody guitar that is.
>
> my second-least expensively obtained instrument is a barely used G&L
> S-500 (same guitar jon catler uses, but normal fretting) and joseph's
> heard plenty of my playing on it. i paid $600 for it in chicago. i'm
> very picky . . . joseph isn't even a guitarist, so it would be silly
> to recommend something more expensive than this. especially when
> we're throwing the idea of an expensive amp around. you could play a
> friggin' hondo through a distorted mesa boogie triple rectifier and
> it would sound awesome.

It would probably feedback like crazy too. Squeal like a microphone.

* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

🔗wallyesterpaulrus <wallyesterpaulrus@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, David Beardsley
<davidbeardsley@b...> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@y...>
>
> > you could play a
> > friggin' hondo through a distorted mesa boogie triple rectifier
and
> > it would sound awesome.
>
> It would probably feedback like crazy too. Squeal like a microphone.

that's not what i would call sounding awesome. microphonic pickups
are indeed a common problem -- i had the pickups on my les paul
dipped in wax to rectify it . . .

🔗petesfriedclams@...

🔗David Beardsley <db@...>

----- Original Message -----
From: <petesfriedclams@...>

> I wouldn't recommend anything to anyone regarding
>electric guitars, except maybe, "as long as I don't have
>to listen to it, have at it!" ;-) What I really miss is the
>old Zawinul Rhodes through a fuzz and/or ring modulator...

I bought an old Rhodes a few years ago and retuned it to
the harmonic series (23 limit). It was destiny.

One morning I left the gym and noticed that there was a
tatoo parlor across the street. "Hmm, never saw that before".
I went home and after noon, felt a strong urge to visit
Guitar Center. I was loitering in the acoustic guitar dept.
and was chatting at bit with some other customers.
We were talking about what gear we wanted to buy,
when I said that I was kinda looking for a Rhodes.
This guy says he's got one for sale, a stage model, Mk. I
w/ the suitcase amp for $500. Sold, I picked it up within
the week.

It turned out he worked at the tatoo parlor for a while
recently.

I'll have to liberate that piano from the cluter
and play it again. Do some recording.

* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db