[MMM] Open Question: mp3 bitrates

> how low can one encode
> and feel like they are still presenting a *musical* experience?

At the risk of sounding like CoolEdit is the solution to everything, it has
a TON of different options on its MP3 encoder. Any bitrate you want, mono or
stereo.

I tend to pick 10:1 stereo, which comes out to about a megabyte per minute.

22kHz mono (24kbit?) is about as low as _I_ would go to present a reasonable
facsimile of the original.

Rick

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., Rick McGowan <rick@u...> wrote:

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> > how low can one encode
> > and feel like they are still presenting a *musical* experience?
>
> At the risk of sounding like CoolEdit is the solution to
everything, it has
> a TON of different options on its MP3 encoder. Any bitrate you
want, mono or
> stereo.
>
> I tend to pick 10:1 stereo, which comes out to about a megabyte per
minute.
>
> 22kHz mono (24kbit?) is about as low as _I_ would go to present a
reasonable
> facsimile of the original.

Hi Rick... thanks for the commentary...

Could somebody PLEASE tell me what Sound Forge can do that Cool Edit
cannot??

I can't figure it out...

___________ _______ ____
Joseph Pehrson

>
> Rick

Bird bird bird. Bird is a word.

Jon,

I always choose low-bandwidth when given a choice due to my connection
speed/ reliability.

I don't mind the lack of quality, so long as i can hear the intent of the
music, and that i get it without breaks or drop-outs due to buffering
problems.

Second, as list-mom, you could whip that tyranical bird finger into a file
deleting frenzy, making space for your piece.

Or, you could make an announcement of some sort, and we could all delete our
stuff from the files area. I'm pulling my latest real soon.

At regular bit-rate compression, how big is your file anyway?

GZ

Joe,

{you wrote...}
>--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., Rick McGowan <rick@u...> wrote:
>Could somebody PLEASE tell me what Sound Forge can do that Cool Edit
>cannot?? I can't figure it out...

Calm down. I've been using SF for 3-4 years, and it is a wonderful tool. *Currently*, Cool Edit has mp3 file saving built in, and I don't know if the current (5.0) version of SF does (I think so, but I'm still using 4.0); but since there are free tools for that, it isn't an issue.

CE may have some freq analysis tools that SF doesn't, not sure. SF has tons of effects and controls built-in, and both programs have the ability to increase features using DirectX sound plugins.

You don't need to have CE envy, because they are both good tools, and you can do what you need with audio files in either program. What is most important is understanding what someone has actually done with audio, regardless of program: understand the concept and you'll find a way to do it in your program of choice.

Cheers,
Jon

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "Jonathan M. Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:

/makemicromusic/topicId_453.html#465

> Joe,
>
> {you wrote...}
> >--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., Rick McGowan <rick@u...> wrote:
> >Could somebody PLEASE tell me what Sound Forge can do that Cool
Edit
> >cannot?? I can't figure it out...
>
> Calm down. I've been using SF for 3-4 years, and it is a wonderful
tool. *Currently*, Cool Edit has mp3 file saving built in, and I
don't know if the current (5.0) version of SF does (I think so, but
I'm still using 4.0); but since there are free tools for that, it
isn't an issue.
>
> CE may have some freq analysis tools that SF doesn't, not sure. SF
has tons of effects and controls built-in, and both programs have the
ability to increase features using DirectX sound plugins.
>
> You don't need to have CE envy, because they are both good tools,
and you can do what you need with audio files in either program. What
is most important is understanding what someone has actually done
with audio, regardless of program: understand the concept and you'll
find a way to do it in your program of choice.
>
> Cheers,
> Jon

Hi Jon...

I'm not sure that answered my question... What can Sound Forge do
that Cool Edit cannot?? I have both programs but can't figure it
out. It *looks* like Sound Forge comes out a bit differently for
reverb and so forth, but the tools in Cool Edit are pretty good for
that too, and the "audition" feature seems superior. Anybody with
both programs have any comments?? (The most recent Sound Forge can't
make mp3s).

Thanks!

__________ __________ _____
Joseph Pehrson

G,

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., George Zelenz <ploo@m...> wrote:
> I always choose low-bandwidth when given a choice due to my
> connection speed/ reliability.

Hmm. I've always found you very reliable. :) But it's good to
see/hear you say this, because I've always felt one should offer both
lo- and hi- bandwidth versions, just for people like yourself (and
some of our UK and European members, who pay by the second, etc.).

> I don't mind the lack of quality, so long as i can hear the intent
> of the music

Yep.

> Second, as list-mom, you could whip that tyranical bird finger into
> a file deleting frenzy, making space for your piece.

Well, I wouldn't do it just for me...

> Or, you could make an announcement of some sort, and we could all
> delete our stuff from the files area. I'm pulling my latest real
> soon.

So far, everyone has been real cool about this. I'm pretty stoked by
how much music has been / is being shared, and Monz mentioned he'd be
taking down his 5 meg symphony. We'll all have to keep tabs on the
file space usage and if stuff has been up for a while, clean out your
lockers.

> At regular bit-rate compression, how big is your file anyway?

I have no idea, but will find out. The piece is around 10 minutes, so
it would add up. I'll encode it a couple of ways while I'm out in the
studio practicing and see what comes up.

Cheers,
Birdman

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., jpehrson@r... wrote:
> I'm not sure that answered my question... What can Sound Forge do
> that Cool Edit cannot??

I'll just pick one tool I use a lot: does CE have a gap/glitch
detector? When transferring old recordings, it makes it a lot easier
to find the gaps and pops to edit out when the program can scan and
find them. This is one step below doing a complete noise reduction
process.

> Anybody with both programs have any comments?? (The most recent
> Sound Forge can't make mp3s).

SF 5.0 supports both reading and writing of mp3 files. Next!

Jon

> I'll just pick one tool I use a lot: does CE have a gap/glitch
> detector?

Yup. They have an "audio cleanup" plugin. You have to buy it, but it works.
It can de-click & de-pop & de-hiss, etc. Lots of parameters that can be
twiddled.

Rick

Rick,
{you wrote...}
> > I'll just pick one tool I use a lot: does CE have a gap/glitch
> > detector?
>
>Yup. They have an "audio cleanup" plugin. You have to buy it, but it >works. It can de-click & de-pop & de-hiss, etc. Lots of parameters that >can be twiddled.

Love twiddling. SF Noise Reduction is also an add-on, or at least the industrial strength version is. The tool I referred to I use a lot to split up tracks: when importing something from a minidisc, it finds the 'blank' spaces and then I can break up into separate files for making CDs.

Jon

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----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan M. Szanto

John,

{you wrote...}
>If we are vigilant and remove old files, there should be no big problem.

Yep!

>If we want access to all the old stuff, a good solution may be for each
>participant to get his own mp3.com site and simultaneously post sound
>files here and there. Then after they are removed from the files here they
>will still be available there. I have added a text file with the address
>of the mp3.com site where I will be putting my old examples.

Very smart idea, John! I'll try doing that myself, but could you answer
this: does putting up a site start an avalanche of spam or unwanted emails?
And is setting up a site fairly straight-forward?

Cheers,
Jon

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db,

{you wrote...}
>Easy to set up and minimal spam.

Bonus!

Mom