sampling, continued

I am curious too, how many people is here are just ticked off because they
know they aren't good enough to get sampled (i.e. the music is too limited
to be used elsewhere.)

What I am hearing is the reason that academia turns people off. "It's my
way or the highway" stuff like that... how many times in history have we
seen the stuffy professor proved wrong?

I seem to remember that getting to the moon was impossible, and
presposterous, and against god. Anesthesia was a crime against morality,
and going 60 miles an hour in an automobile would rip your face off...

And now we have people stoned out of their minds, driving 100 MPH, who
swear they're flying to the moon.

*laughs*

Sure, sampling can be abused, but then again, so can ordinary musical
conceits, like theory. Or technical ability. Or... well, you get the point.
I don't see the point of making music solely out of samples any more than I
understand ignoring their use completely. Sometimes, another artists simply
says something better than you ever can, or sometimes, it is interesting to
use an old phrase in a new way. People do this in conversation all the
time. If music is conversation, why can't we mimic, paraphrase, and mock?

DaveX

Dave,

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., Dave X <davex@s...> wrote:
> I am curious too, how many people is here are just ticked off
> because they know they aren't good enough to get sampled (i.e. the
> music is too limited to be used elsewhere.)

Actually, I think that isn't even close. Mainly because you are
right: the very people you are talking about probably have zero
chance of being sampled in a major way. And, if you read a little bit
of what they've written, I think you'll find it is deeper than
just "ticked off", but that it means something to them and they've
thought about it.

> What I am hearing is the reason that academia turns people
> off. "It's my way or the highway" stuff like that... how many times
> in history have we seen the stuffy professor proved wrong?

Or the young stud with the shiny new technology, only to find (ten
years down the road) that they are... not cool anymore?

I don't think all sampling is wrong (which I think comes close to how
Joe P feels); I also don't think that any and all sampling is OK
(which sort of sounds like you). Both of those sound like highways to
me, and I like back roads.

I think I'm there with Dan: what is the context, how is it used, and
how does the end-product change peoples lives?

> Sure, sampling can be abused, but then again, so can ordinary
> musical conceits, like theory. Or technical ability. Or... well,
> you get the point.

Not really, because you're stretching the metaphor quite a lot. What
I will agree on: all new things aren't automatically good, all old
things aren't automatically bad, and all tools and techniques can be
used both wisely and maliciously.

> I don't see the point of making music solely out of samples any
> more than I understand ignoring their use completely.

Bingo! My sentiments exactly.

Cheers,
Jon

> If music is conversation, why can't we mimic, paraphrase, and mock?
>
> DaveX

Yup, and I love it. I am a big Al Yankovic and PDQ Bach fan.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:

/makemicromusic/topicId_311.html#316

> I don't think all sampling is wrong (which I think comes close to
how Joe P feels); I also don't think that any and all sampling is OK
> (which sort of sounds like you). Both of those sound like highways
to me, and I like back roads.
>

Jon! You "nasty man"... :)

Have you actually been reading the posts?? I turned my opinion
around on a dime as soon as I found out how "cool" sampling was...

At least that's what I was telling people! :)

________ ________ ______
Joseph Pehrson

Joe,

{you wrote...}
>Have you actually been reading the posts?? I turned my opinion around on >a dime as soon as I found out how "cool" sampling was...
>
>At least that's what I was telling people! :)

Somehow I missed the drift. Very fine: you are now a believer in sampling as one more part of the mix.

Shouldn't you be working on that Shakespeare score? :)

J

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "Jonathan M. Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:

/makemicromusic/topicId_311.html#360

> Joe,
>
> {you wrote...}
> >Have you actually been reading the posts?? I turned my opinion
around on a dime as soon as I found out how "cool" sampling was...
> >
> >At least that's what I was telling people! :)
>
> Somehow I missed the drift. Very fine: you are now a believer in
sampling as one more part of the mix.
>
> Shouldn't you be working on that Shakespeare score? :)
>
> J

I can't continue on it right now until I speak with the director
TOMORROW evening. She want's it all done HER way... which is why I
always love collaborations so... :)

_________ _________ _______
Joseph Pehrson