Re: [MMM] Plunderphonics

> From: <jpehrson@...>
> To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 8:17 PM
> Subject: [MMM] Plunderphonics
>
> Thanks to Dan Stearns for this *very* enlightening article on
> sampling... Some other interesting articles in this magazine, too.
>
> Plundering is, seemingly, the way of the future...
>
> The Internet, Napster, etc., etc.
>
> Right now, the economic model means that these things have to be shut
> down.
>
> HOWEVER, if we lived in a futuristic society where, somehow, all our
> needs were provided for, and information could be a *common* or
> *shared* resource, then we would *all* own what *each* one of us
> creates.
>
> The individual ego would be melded into the common organism.

This is interesting, Joe... it's exactly the kind of thing I
was thinking as I've been reading the posts in this thread.

I think sampling/quoting is here to stay, and simply because
of the sheer number of composers and music-files available for
free on the internet (both of which are constantly growing),
I think it's only more likely that this type of compositional
method will keep increasing in popularity.

One of the things I envision about this list is that we subscribers
will *cooperate*, via the list, on new musical projects. As with
the fragment and its tuning I recently uploaded (01-7-30.mp3),
I often put together tiny musical ideas for which I have no
further inspiration. Perhaps by sharing these little bits here
others may get ideas for their continuation and eventually they
will become real compositions.

BTW, "Plunderphonics" is the name of a seminal sampling-ripoff-reworking
album consisting pretty much (or maybe even completely) of music by
others. WARNING: It's cover art is adult-oriented (and hilarious).
http://www.plunderphonics.com/xhtml/xdiscography.html#plunderphonic

If you care for any of this, Joe, I think you'd especially like
Oswald's "plundering" of Webern:
http://www.plunderphonics.com/xhtml/xnotes.html#TEN4

(Dan Stearns was referring to this album when he mentioned
the name... we've corresponded about it in the past.)

I originally found out about "Plunderphonics" because Oswald himself
wrote to me first, interested in my webpage on Webern's _Piano Variations_.
<http://www.ixpres.com/interval/monzo/webern/webern.htm>, which,
in my new update, is on-topic now because you'll hear it in John
deLaubenfels's double-stretch 7-limit adaptive JI retuning.
(wait a while for it to download automatically on opening the page)

love / peace / harmony ...

-monz
http://www.monz.org
"All roads lead to n^0"

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> Plundering is, seemingly, the way of the future...

Well, it's _one_ way, but as a means of musical creation, I don't think it
will really take over as a _dominant_ way until the far, far future when all
thoughts have been thought, and a bloated, decadent humanity is one more
endangered species living precariously on an earth piled high with the litter
of technological millenia.

Rick

> > Plundering is, seemingly, the way of the future...

Hmmm. "Plunderphonics" is a few years old now. Moby comes to mind as a more recent, relevant, and creative artist in a related area. But anyway...

Beethoven used the sound of two oboes in his symphonies; Brahms used the sound of two oboes in his symphonies. If we aren't talking about sampling as lifting a phrase but just an instrumental sample, how far away from two composers using the exact same orchestra complement is plundering?

Discuss.

Jon

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "monz" <joemonz@y...> wrote:

/makemicromusic/topicId_271.html#271

>
> If you care for any of this, Joe, I think you'd especially like
> Oswald's "plundering" of Webern:
> http://www.plunderphonics.com/xhtml/xnotes.html#TEN4
>

This is FANTASTIC! This varied orchestration is EXACTLY what Webern
needs...

In fact, I'm going to use this snippet in my next piece!!! :) :)

_________ ________ ________
Joseph Pehrson

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "Jonathan M. Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:

/makemicromusic/topicId_271.html#275

>
> > > Plundering is, seemingly, the way of the future...
>
> Hmmm. "Plunderphonics" is a few years old now. Moby comes to mind
as a more
> recent, relevant, and creative artist in a related area. But
anyway...
>

Thanks, guys, for keeping me "up to date!" :)

_______ _______ ____
Joseph Pehrson

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "D.Stearns" <STEARNS@C...> wrote:
> Musical plunderphonia as a serious means to a viable end is nothing
> new: Modernism considerably upped the ante long ago, but these basic
> ideas have actually been around a long, long, long time indeed...

There ya go: distilled to the essence. Thanks, Dan!

Cheers,
Jon