Re: [MMM] Re: First Night

Hello Jacky!
Rhythmic patterns of longer length and everywhere in between occur
throughout the mideast and Turkey. 128 even 256. not to forget
10,13,17,18,23,24,36,etc. I have about 200 written xeroxed.
In indonesia you find Patterns of dubles going out to at least 64.

jacky_ligon wrote:

>
>
> I know very few people who work with either Non 2&3 based meters,
> much less polymeters.
>
> We do have Kraig Grady, who plays in 79 cyles (as I bow deeply), and
> we have our resident Funky Drum Master - The G-Man Zelenz, who can
> assign each limb to play in a different meter, while his torso takes
> a coffee break. Sounds painful? Naw! He Funky - Mad Funky!
>

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
http://www.anaphoria.com

The Wandering Medicine Show
Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm

Jackal!

You wild man.

I missed the compliment, whenever you sent it. Thanks, your too kind.

Many years back when I first met Kraig, I was invited to a rehearsal. I was
given a 1/4 inch gridded sheet of graph paper, with line sections of 24
consecutive squares. Some had X's in the boxs, others were blank, I think. I
was to play on a skinned drum the rhythm of the X's. The piece was in 24,
obviously.

Everypart of me must have been on a coffee-break, because I was unable to
keep up the rhythm for more than a few minutes. My mind wandered, and only
part of that was due to the amazing consonances I was hearing for the first
time. 24 is hard, at least then. I think they were horagram derived, but I'm
not sure. Maybe now in my older years I could do it. Who knows.

GZ

Kraig Grady wrote:

> Hello Jacky!
> Rhythmic patterns of longer length and everywhere in between occur
> throughout the mideast and Turkey. 128 even 256. not to forget
> 10,13,17,18,23,24,36,etc. I have about 200 written xeroxed.
> In indonesia you find Patterns of dubles going out to at least 64.
>
> jacky_ligon wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I know very few people who work with either Non 2&3 based meters,
> > much less polymeters.
> >
> > We do have Kraig Grady, who plays in 79 cyles (as I bow deeply), and
> > we have our resident Funky Drum Master - The G-Man Zelenz, who can
> > assign each limb to play in a different meter, while his torso takes
> > a coffee break. Sounds painful? Naw! He Funky - Mad Funky!
> >
>
> -- Kraig Grady
> North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
> http://www.anaphoria.com
>
> The Wandering Medicine Show
> Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm
>
>
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Joe!
The best glitch is the human glitch. computers can't even mess up as
interesting as us!

jpehrson2 wrote:

> --- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., Catharsis <catharsis@e...> wrote:
>
> /makemicromusic/topicId_2448.html#2448
> > You are coming around to the popular microsound area now. This is
> an idea
> > that area has started to run with for the last 8-10 years; worship
> of the
> > glitch (and lots of inflated egos; I had to jump ship on that area
> a few
> > months ago). See the computer music journal article from Kim
> Cascone,
> > http://mitpress2.mit.edu/e-journals/Computer-Music-
> Journal/Documents/cmjlib/index.html
> > basically the article just drops a bunch of names without going
> into much
> > detail. Interesting and good music is coming from that area, but I
> don't
> > like how it turned into a solidified "movement".
> >
>
> ***This is interesting, Mike, but I couldn't get this link to work,
> even with careful copy and paste... :(
>
> jp

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
http://www.anaphoria.com

The Wandering Medicine Show
Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm

--- Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
> Hello Jacky!
> Rhythmic patterns of longer length and everywhere in between occur
> throughout the mideast and Turkey. 128 even 256. not to forget
> 10,13,17,18,23,24,36,etc. I have about 200 written xeroxed.
> In indonesia you find Patterns of dubles going out to at least 64.

256 beats? How do you work THAT out? I'm only familiar with the two main Arabic
rhythms (the one with the beats on 1, 2, 4, 5 and 7 and the other one with
beats on 1, 4, 7), and Greek _rebetiko_ time which is 9/8 (but divided into
2+2+2+3 instead of 3+3+3). I've written an entire piano piece in 13/8 and just
came up with a song intro in 17/16, and Frank Zappa used 19/16 in one of his
long guitar solos ("Keep It Greasy" from "Joe's Garage Part 2").

I am familiar with the sometimes ultrafast beats used by tabla players from
India-Pakistan, which I think is generally improvisational and free-form.

This is a good thing to talk about -- microtonal music goes great with
microrhythms.~

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Gentlemen,

>and Greek _rebetiko_ time which is 9/8 (but divided into 2+2+2+3 instead >of 3+3+3). I've written an entire piano piece in 13/8 and just came up >with a song intro in 17/16, and Frank Zappa used 19/16 in one of his long >guitar solos ("Keep It Greasy" from "Joe's Garage Part 2").

And then there is 31/16, which can be fun. You'll find it on the bottom two staves in the manuscript on the following page. Note that there is a detailed description below the manuscript, and that clicking on the music score will play back a RealAudio clip of the entire page for study.

31/16 - subdivided 5-5-7-9-5, and further broken down in patterns of (2+3)(2+3)(2+2+3)(2+2+2+3)(2+3)

http://www.corporeal.com/boo_part_hi.html

Enjoy,
Jon

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:

/makemicromusic/topicId_2454.html#2460

> Joe!
> The best glitch is the human glitch. computers can't even mess
up as interesting as us!
>

***You're right Kraig. That's for sure. I guess that's what they
call "humanizing..." :)

jp

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "Jonathan M. Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:

/makemicromusic/topicId_2454.html#2463

> Gentlemen,
>
> >and Greek _rebetiko_ time which is 9/8 (but divided into 2+2+2+3
instead
> >of 3+3+3). I've written an entire piano piece in 13/8 and just
came up
> >with a song intro in 17/16, and Frank Zappa used 19/16 in one of
his long
> >guitar solos ("Keep It Greasy" from "Joe's Garage Part 2").
>
> And then there is 31/16, which can be fun. You'll find it on the
bottom two
> staves in the manuscript on the following page. Note that there is
a
> detailed description below the manuscript, and that clicking on the
music
> score will play back a RealAudio clip of the entire page for study.
>
> 31/16 - subdivided 5-5-7-9-5, and further broken down in patterns
of
> (2+3)(2+3)(2+2+3)(2+2+2+3)(2+3)
>
> http://www.corporeal.com/boo_part_hi.html
>
> Enjoy,
> Jon

***This is very nice, Jon, and the score "click on" function is
particularly fun. I don't remember seeing this on _Meadows_ before,
but maybe I just missed it...

jp

Joe,

{you wrote...}
>***This is very nice, Jon, and the score "click on" function is
>particularly fun. I don't remember seeing this on _Meadows_ before,
>but maybe I just missed it...

Oddly enough, that is one of the very first 'multimedia' pages on the site, dating back probably to 1997. But it's a cluttered place so it would be easy to miss something. I hope to have some new areas up later this spring, using some of the newer multimedia tools, but developing those kind of pages requires more time, effort, and planning than a traditional text page.

Hence, I haven't got them done!

Cheers,
Jon

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "Jonathan M. Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:

/makemicromusic/topicId_2454.html#2469

> Joe,
>
> {you wrote...}
> >***This is very nice, Jon, and the score "click on" function is
> >particularly fun. I don't remember seeing this on _Meadows_
before,
> >but maybe I just missed it...
>
> Oddly enough, that is one of the very first 'multimedia' pages on
the site,
> dating back probably to 1997. But it's a cluttered place so it
would be
> easy to miss something. I hope to have some new areas up later this
spring,
> using some of the newer multimedia tools, but developing those kind
of
> pages requires more time, effort, and planning than a traditional
text page.
>
> Hence, I haven't got them done!
>
> Cheers,
> Jon

***Hmmm. That's odd, since I thought I'd *done* Meadows... but,
obviously, I've been missing some stuff...

jp

Danny Wier wrote:

> 256 beats? How do you work THAT out? I'm only familiar with the two
> main Arabic
> rhythms (the one with the beats on 1, 2, 4, 5 and 7 and the other one
> with
> beats on 1, 4, 7), and Greek _rebetiko_ time which is 9/8 (but divided
> into
> 2+2+2+3 instead of 3+3+3). I've written an entire piano piece in 13/8
> and just
> came up with a song intro in 17/16, and Frank Zappa used 19/16 in one
> of his
> long guitar solos ("Keep It Greasy" from "Joe's Garage Part 2").

Touma gives 22 "awazn" including sama'i thaqil and aqsaq sama'i, both 10/8
(5+5); dawr hindi, 7/8 (3+4); muhajjar, 14/4 (4+2+2+6); al-'awis, 11/4
(3+3+5); al-murabba', 13/4 (3+6+4); zarafat, 13/8 (3+3+2+5); awfar, 19/4
(6+4+2+7) and murassa' shami, 19/8 (4+5+4+6).

> I am familiar with the sometimes ultrafast beats used by tabla players
> from
> India-Pakistan, which I think is generally improvisational and
> free-form.

It's improvisational, but not free-form. See if your library has books
that explain this -- you may find it instructive.

> This is a good thing to talk about -- microtonal music goes great with
> microrhythms.~

Yes, but I don't know of any beginners' guides or comparitive studies. A
real gap if somebody wants to fill it.

Graham

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., George Zelenz <ploo@m...> wrote:

> Many years back when I first met Kraig, I was invited to a
rehearsal. I was
> given a 1/4 inch gridded sheet of graph paper, with line sections
of
24
> consecutive squares. Some had X's in the boxs, others were blank, I
think. I
> was to play on a skinned drum the rhythm of the X's. The piece was
in 24,
> obviously.
>
> Everypart of me must have been on a coffee-break, because I was
unable to
> keep up the rhythm for more than a few minutes. My mind wandered,
and only
> part of that was due to the amazing consonances I was hearing for
the first
> time.

Talking with Kraig and Erin (over Mexican food in L.A., September
2000), I remember Erin saying something to the effect that playing
Kraig's music makes her sleepy and it's difficult to concentrate. I
guess Kraig just has that hypnotic effect on everyone!