Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup makemicromusic Re: [MMM] fragment of a new Monzo piece: 2001-7-30

Hi Jacky,

As promised, here's the analysis of the tuning of my latest idea.

> From: <jacky_ligon@...>
> To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 7:20 AM
> Subject: [MMM] Re: fragment of a new Monzo piece: 2001-7-30
>
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "monz" <joemonz@y...> wrote:
> > This idea came to me today and I wanted to share it.
> >
> > It's barely a fragment of an idea, and I don't have any
> > ideas for its continuation, but I like it.
> >
> > _2001-7-30_, by Joe Monzo
> > /makemicromusic/files/monz/01-7-30A.mp3
>
> You got to love DSL!!! Downloaded this file in 2.5 seconds!

I sure wouldn't be without mine, now that I finally made the plunge!

> Sounds cool Master Monz!

Thanks... glad you like it! Wish I had more of it to offer,
but sometimes my inspirations only come in tiny pieces
(pun intended :-P )

> Care to share any tuning info my Bro?

Well... hmmm... this is another one like the one I sent you
[Jacky] for "engineering" last week (list members, have patience,
it will appear shortly).

What I mean, for those who didn't get to read our private emails <g>,
is that I simply drew in the 12-EDO pitches in a Cakewalk piano-roll
window, then added pitch-bend on the controller graph window "by eye"
according to how I heard the two melody parts in my head.

For me, as with a lot of stuff I write, the killer meters and
drum parts are really what make it cool! The fragment is a 26-beat
pattern, divided into two parts of 15 and 11 beats, and those
are further subdivided into 8+4+3 and 4+3+4 respectively. Then
rhythmically there are 2:3 duplets and 3:2 triplets happening
in the bass and drums in the last two measures respectively
(3/8 and 2/4 meter).

But anyway, here is the actual tuning used in the fragment...
I encourage anyone who's interested to analyze it and try to
figure out if there's any kind of systematic integrity to it.
Do you see any patterns, of any kind?

This is not a puzzle, it's a sincere question. Since I created
the tuning after having entered it in 12-EDO tuning, and did so
simply by approximating by eye on the graph where I wanted the
pitch-bend and then literally fine-tuning that value by ear,
I have no idea what systematic tuning parameters this tuning
might embody. So there won't be any way for me to acknowledge
a "right answer". I'm simply interested in knowing how one
might quantify what I did empirically.

Let it be noted that, while the tuning used here does *approach*
what I heard in my mind when I got the idea, it's not entirely
a match with the original inspiration, and does sound a bit
"out of tune" to me.

The analysis I present below is based exactly on what's in
the MIDI-file, including some pitch-bend values which have
a duration of only 2 "ticks" (= 1/60 of a 1/4-note [crochet]).
These are simply the result of human error, in my drawing of
the pitch-bend value onto the Cakewalk controller graph.
They can safely be ignored, and the value immediately following
can be taken as the one which lasts the duration of the note.

I've uploaded three files to accompany the mp3 and this post:

/makemicromusic/files/monz/01-7-30an.jpg
analysis of the tuning of 01-7-30.mp3 (quoted in full below)

/makemicromusic/files/monz/01-7-30gr.jpg
time-vs-pitch graph of 01-7-30.mp3
(i.e., "piano-roll" score, but accurate to 1200-EDO resolution)

/makemicromusic/files/monz/01-7-30xl.xls
Excel spreadsheet used to analyze 01-7-30.mp3

I've included the spreadsheet for those who want to see how I figured
everything out. The rhythmic stuff is the hardest, to translate from the
MIDI convention of "measure.beat.tick" to one constant durational unit.

=================================================
2001-7-30 - fragment of a piece by monz
tuning created by drawing on graph by eye and ear
=================================================

ANALYSIS OF TUNING

Timebase = 120 ticks per 1/4-note [crochet]
Pitch-bend resolution = 4096 cawapus per Semitone

Melody voice
ticks abs abs 8ve-inv
meter meas beat tick dur ticks beats ST note 8ve ST cawapu ST
4/4 1 . 1 120 0 0 58.31 Bb 4 10 1280 10.31
1 . 2 60 120 2 61.78 D 5 2 -896 1.78
1 . 2 . 60 60 180 3 63.25 Eb 5 3 1024 3.25
1 . 3 60 240 4 65.38 F 5 5 1536 5.38
1 . 3 . 60 60 300 5 63.16 Eb 5 3 640 3.16
1 . 4 60 360 6 61.88 D 5 2 -512 1.88
1 . 4 . 60 2 420 7 60.09 C 5 0 384 0.09
1 . 4 . 62 60 422 7 60.13 C 5 0 512 0.13

2/4 2 . 1 120 480 8 57.88 Bb 4 10 -512 9.88
2 . 2 60 600 10 61.84 D 5 2 -640 1.84
2 . 2 . 60 2 660 11 63.22 Eb 5 3 896 3.22
2 . 2 . 62 60 662 11 63.16 Eb 5 3 640 3.16

3/8 3 . 1 60 720 12 65.41 F 5 5 1664 5.41
3 . 2 60 780 13 63.22 Eb 5 3 896 3.22
3 . 3 2 840 14 61.94 D 5 2 -256 1.94
3 . 3 . 2 58 842 14 61.97 D 5 2 -128 1.97

2/4 4 . 1 120 900 15 55.28 G 4 7 1152 7.28
4 . 2 2 1020 17 62.13 D 5 2 512 2.13
4 . 2 . 2 118 1022 17 62.09 D 5 2 384 2.09
3/8 5 . 1 180 1140 19 58.31 Bb 4 10 1280 10.31
2/4 6 . 1 120 1320 22 55.25 G 4 7 1024 7.25
6 . 2 120 1440 24 62.25 D 5 2 1024 2.25
[repeat] 1560 26

Bass voice

4/4 1 . 1 177 0 0 34.09 Bb 2 10 384 10.09
1 . 2 . 57 123 177 3 41.13 F 3 5 512 5.13
1 . 3 . 60 60 300 5 42.47 G 3 7 -2176 6.47
1 . 4 60 360 6 41.37 F 3 5 1535 5.37
1 . 4 . 60 115 420 7 44.75 A 3 9 -1024 8.75
2/4 2 . 1 . 55 125 535 9 41.06 F 3 5 256 5.06
2 . 2 . 60 2 660 11 42.03 Gb 3 6 128 6.03
2 . 2 . 62 58 662 11 41.63 Gb 3 6 -1536 6.03
3/8 3 . 1 60 720 12 41.03 F 3 5 128 5.03
3 . 2 60 780 13 39.03 Eb 3 3 128 3.03
3 . 3 60 840 14 38.06 D 3 2 256 2.06
2/4 4 . 1 2 900 15 36.06 C 3 0 256 0.06
4 . 1 . 2 118 902 15 36.22 C 3 0 896 0.22
4 . 2 120 1020 17 31.34 G 2 7 1408 7.34
3/8 5 . 1 90 1140 19 36.05 C 3 0 200 0.05
5 . 2 . 30 90 1230 20&1/2 41.34 F 3 5 1408 5.34
2/4 6 . 1 2 1320 22 39.19 Eb 3 3 768 3.19
2/4 6 . 1 . 2 78 1322 22 39.25 Eb 3 3 1024 3.25
6 . 1 . 80 80 1400 23 1/3 31.34 G 2 7 1408 7.34
6 . 2 . 40 2 1480 24 2/3 39.05 Eb 3 3 200 3.05
6 . 2 . 42 78 1482 24 2/3 39.28 Eb 3 3 1152 3.28
[repeat] 1560 26

I would be very happy to post an analysis of the sizes of the intervals
which actually occur in the piece, but don't have time for it right now.

love / peace / harmony ...

-monz
http://www.monz.org
"All roads lead to n^0"

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Re: [MMM] fragment of a new Monzo piece: 2001-7-30

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