Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup makemicromusic Re: [MMM] six new uploads

Cool stuff, Man. Thanks! I think the banjo thing is super-cool! I got really into Sixteen Horsepower after they were already over, and this kind of reminds me of their sort "goth bluegrass" (I like to call it...). What's the fretting, again? I really want a fretless banjo, but there should probably be a least two of these in the world, if not a guitar and a mandocello or something to go with it. And I'd especially like to hear clarinets and banjo and whatnot together! If you're taking requests, that is, hee. Can you play Brown Sugar, dude?

daniel_anthony_stearns <daniel_anthony_stearns@...> wrote:
Should anyone be interested I've uploaded 6 microtonal pieces, well 8
i guess if you take the two alternate takes of the quartertone piece,
here:

http://tinyurl.com/6dnfva
a multiple guitar piece for quartertones using the Chris
Shaffer "Spanish Nail Steinberger" pictured here:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c33/danstearns/quartertonefinished.j
pg

http://tinyurl.com/5mjfcp
http://tinyurl.com/5a54td
two little interludes based mostly on the 5-tone equal scale in the
20-tone equal tempered guitar pictured here:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c33/danstearns/P7070193.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c33/danstearns/P7070190.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c33/danstearns/P7070147.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c33/danstearns/P7070113.jpg

http://tinyurl.com/5ujtfw
another little interlude, this time featuring the polymicro, 6 sting
banjo pictured here:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c33/danstearns/P9170121.jpg

http://tinyurl.com/5a2slw
http://tinyurl.com/5nf67a
two older pieces for multiple clarinets, recorded anewclarinet was
my first instrument all the way back from grade school, and it was
also one of the first instruments that made me start to seriously
think about microtones

http://tinyurl.com/5d7quh
http://tinyurl.com/5bez2g
just two alternate takes of the first quartertone piece

None of these things have been online before. Some are just little
sketches and interludes and some are more complete pieces and all are
fairly straightforward, i.e. one instrument and mostly acoustic or
minimally amped (electric guitars are after all electric). But what's
good, certainly good enough news for me, is that they're all kind of
a little effort at getting back to recording and playing after
battling with Lyme disease for the past couple years which has led to
a steady hearing loss in my left ear and a host of other bothersome
maladies. Getting used to and working with this has been difficult,
but there are far worse fates in life and I'm happy to once again
have a go at music .

Take care,
dan

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🔗Jon Szanto <jszanto@...>

🔗Pete McRae <professorsidewinder@...>

Yeah, Jon, I'm glad you mentioned that, because I got
a sense of "play", ie "fun", from the guitar things,
too. And, I hope you won't mind my saying, Dan, that I
dearly love your clarinet stuff. Since I started
trying to play the damned thing, I really appreciate
it! I noticed it awhile back, and didn't bother to ask
about that 'source'.

Thanks again.

--- Jon Szanto <jszanto@...> wrote:

> Dan,
>
> Nice.
>
> Took me a while to get around to listening to these,
> all still within
> the "Stearns Zone". I liked the guitar ensemble,
> which had a
> compellingly loose tension, both from the rhythmic
> aspects but also
> the play on the tunings. My fave, like Pete, was the
> banjo piece.
> Captured (for me) a very melancholy image, and the
> tuning was very
> natural sounding.
>
> Glad you still keep that fire burning...
>
> Cheers,
> Jon
>
>

🔗Danny Wier <dawiertx@...>

daniel_anthony_stearns wrote:
> hey,thanks alot pete and jon.Actually, FWIW,the clarinet pieces are > by far my favorites too. i guess i have a soft-spot for their > innocence and where they stand in my development,etc .i also liked > the quarter-tone guitar piece simply because 1/4tones seem to take a > hell of a lot of slag from the number crunchers and armchair > musicians, and to me this is an easy "no a" as the Czech's--or at > least Lemonadovy Joe--might say .Anyway, for anyone who's interested > i put up a few more very simple banjo improvs this morning that are > little more than me asking myself what "this" added micro note does > to "this" chord/progression and whatnot.....nothing special for sure, > but there it is as it is if anyone is interested:
>
> http://zebox.com/daniel_anthony_stearns/ I haven't had a chance to hear the clarinet pieces yet, but I'm already digging the banjo work! I got (an attempt at) a cheap defretted five-string resonator banjo but I don't play it much. (I did a better job laying epoxy on my six-string electric bass.)

And I use quarter-tones all the time, but I'm just an armchair number cruncher. ~D.

🔗Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>

some of it almost gets into Kora material for me. very lovely!. I remember Jim French telling me in Oklahoma that they always tuned the banjo to have a neutral 3rd on one of the strings.

/^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
Mesotonal Music from:
_'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere: North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>

_'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>

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Danny Wier wrote:
>
> daniel_anthony_stearns wrote:
> > hey,thanks alot pete and jon.Actually, FWIW,the clarinet pieces are
> > by far my favorites too. i guess i have a soft-spot for their
> > innocence and where they stand in my development,etc .i also liked
> > the quarter-tone guitar piece simply because 1/4tones seem to take a
> > hell of a lot of slag from the number crunchers and armchair
> > musicians, and to me this is an easy "no a" as the Czech's--or at
> > least Lemonadovy Joe--might say .Anyway, for anyone who's interested
> > i put up a few more very simple banjo improvs this morning that are
> > little more than me asking myself what "this" added micro note does
> > to "this" chord/progression and whatnot.....nothing special for sure,
> > but there it is as it is if anyone is interested:
> >
> > http://zebox.com/daniel_anthony_stearns/ > <http://zebox.com/daniel_anthony_stearns/>
>
> I haven't had a chance to hear the clarinet pieces yet, but I'm already
> digging the banjo work! I got (an attempt at) a cheap defretted
> five-string resonator banjo but I don't play it much. (I did a better
> job laying epoxy on my six-string electric bass.)
>
> And I use quarter-tones all the time, but I'm just an armchair number
> cruncher. ~D.
>
>

🔗Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>

🔗Danny Wier <dawiertx@...>

Kraig Grady wrote:
> some of it almost gets into Kora material for me. very lovely!. I > remember Jim French telling me in Oklahoma that they always tuned the > banjo to have a neutral 3rd on one of the strings.
> Well yeah, tune the second string to a B half-flat and you can play even bluer blue notes, not to mention certain Arabic maqamat. You just have to change the way you play chords when you _don't_ want quarter tones.

Better yet, get one fretted in 31-ET, especially a five-string designed to play chords. An Irish tenor might be better off fretted like a Turkish saz - or at least lower on the neck before the frets get too crowded, 41-ET.

Or you can always get a cï¿½mbï¿½ï¿½... ~D.

🔗Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>

i have often thought of the banjo as one of the least explored instruments. why we don't hear it more in rock is a wonder cause frankly it has allot more guts . ( well it has been a while since rock knew what guts are).
Microstick being an exception, not the rule!:)
I have seen Tony Trischka so some outside stuff though! (but not enough)

/^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
Mesotonal Music from:
_'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere: North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>

_'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>

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Danny Wier wrote:
> Kraig Grady wrote:
> >> some of it almost gets into Kora material for me. very lovely!. I >> remember Jim French telling me in Oklahoma that they always tuned the >> banjo to have a neutral 3rd on one of the strings.
>> >> >
> Well yeah, tune the second string to a B half-flat and you can play even > bluer blue notes, not to mention certain Arabic maqamat. You just have > to change the way you play chords when you _don't_ want quarter tones.
>
> Better yet, get one fretted in 31-ET, especially a five-string designed > to play chords. An Irish tenor might be better off fretted like a > Turkish saz - or at least lower on the neck before the frets get too > crowded, 41-ET.
>
> Or you can always get a cï¿½mbï¿½ï¿½... ~D.
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

🔗Danny Wier <dawiertx@...>

Kraig Grady wrote:
> i have often thought of the banjo as one of the least explored > instruments. why we don't hear it more in rock is a wonder cause frankly > it has allot more guts . ( well it has been a while since rock knew what > guts are).
> Microstick being an exception, not the rule!:)
> I have seen Tony Trischka so some outside stuff though! (but not enough)

I'm sure y'all have heard of Bï¿½la Fleck, of Flecktones fame. He of course does jazz banjo, but he also performed on Dave Matthews Band's _Before these Crowded Streets_, and toured with them (I heard a bootleg recording of "Two Step" somewhere long ago). And he also does bluegrass, naturally.

I've written songs of the "fusion metal" genre containing banjo in bluegrass style, in fact. Nothing microtonal, and I haven't been able to get it recorded yet. (I got my hands full with a nï¿½-stride piano opus in 72-equal right now.)

You also have to remember that the instrument originated in West Africa, same countries as the kora harp. I haven't heard much griot music myself, but I did hear the Malian Abdoulaye Diabatï¿½ use a minor scale with a neutral second - essentially maqam Bayati. Since the banjo has an Islamic connection, quarter tones at least are part of its heritage, or should be.

If I'm not mistaken, the first banjos brought to the New World with the African slaves had gourd bodies and were fretless. ~D.

🔗Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>

I wonder how these would have survived a slave ship? but possibly.

Look forward to hearing 72 tone stride:)

/^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
Mesotonal Music from:
_'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere: North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>

_'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>

',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',

Danny Wier wrote:
>
>
> If I'm not mistaken, the first banjos brought to the New World with the > African slaves had gourd bodies and were fretless. ~D.
>
>
> (I got my hands full with a nï¿½-stride piano opus in > 72-equal right now.)
>

🔗Danny Wier <dawiertx@...>

Kraig Grady wrote:
> I wonder how these would have survived a slave ship? but possibly.
>
> Look forward to hearing 72 tone stride:)

I also read the slavemasters forbade slaves to use drums as they considered them to be "savage", but they did allow them to use stringed instruments. (I need to research this further.) If actual instruments didn't survive the trips across the Atlantic, the ideas on how to make banjos and related instruments did.

The banjos used in those infamous minstrel shows of the post-Civil War 1800s were often fretless open-back instruments that used gut strings - and you can buy replicas of these from Elderly Instruments and other stores.

I mentioned Cï¿½mbï¿½ï¿½ (Turkish for "fun") earlier; they're an Istanbul-based instrument maker that makes banjo-like versions of various Turkish and Western instruments, including ud, saz, cura, tanbur, guitar and mandolin. The ud, which is fretless, and saz-type instruments, which are fretted 17 pitches to an octave unequally, are designed for microtonal music, and they're not too expensive. (Lark in the Morning sells them in the US.)

Further reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banjo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%BCmb%C3%BC%C5%9F
and my policy on Wikipedia is that you can start there, but please do further research.

~D.

🔗Pete McRae <professorsidewinder@...>

;-D !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks, DAN

--- daniel_anthony_stearns
<daniel_anthony_stearns@...> wrote:

> hello there Kraig and Danny et al.FWIW,the guy who
> modified my 20-tet
> guitar and built from scratch Chad Comstock's Indian
> Rosewood 7-
> string Cutaway Acoustic 24-undertone acoustic
> guitar:
>
> http://www.mockingbirdmusic.com/archive/micro.html
> http://www.mockingbirdmusic.com/archive/gallery.html
>
> is not only an in demand, super-boutique
> luthier/repairmen/old
> instrument artisan, but he's also an jaw-dropping
> amazing banjoist in
> his own right who's played with Trishka and Fleck
> and many others and
> also played in the last incarnation of my band
> Private World where I
> gave him unplayable, unreadable scores and
> heï¿½-unlike his
> classically/jazz trained compatriots in the
> bandï¿½-came back on top of
> the parts and asking for moreï¿½ amazing ad utterly
> humble guy. But
> man, the guy, THE motherfu#*c^ing GUY to check out
> for100% insane
> banjo and utterly mad music is Bob Drake. Drake also
> plays (better
> than you) a zillion other instruments and sings like
> a bird-or at
> least a bird if he was Lovecraft and he were sitting
> in with the
> Monkeys. Aside from that, I've updated the ZeBox
> deal with the 5-tet
> 20 deals, the beating/folk clarinet things and the
> 1/4tone guitar
> ensemble piece, and I also added a little midnight
> music miniature in
> case anyone forgot I like abrasive, loud ugly dense
> garbage nobody
> else seems to want to hear about :
>
> http://zebox.com/daniel_anthony_stearns/
>
> thanks, daniel
>
>
>
>
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady
> <kraiggrady@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > i have often thought of the banjo as one of the
> least explored
> > instruments. why we don't hear it more in rock is
> a wonder cause
> frankly
> > it has allot more guts . ( well it has been a
> while since rock knew
> what
> > guts are).
> > Microstick being an exception, not the rule!:)
> > I have seen Tony Trischka so some outside stuff
> though! (but not
> enough)
> >
> >
> > /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
> > Mesotonal Music from:
> > _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> > North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> <http://anaphoria.com/>
> >
> > _'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
> > Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria
> <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>
> >
> >
>
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Danny Wier wrote:
> > > Kraig Grady wrote:
> > >
> > >> some of it almost gets into Kora material for
> me. very lovely!.
> I
> > >> remember Jim French telling me in Oklahoma that
> they always
> tuned the
> > >> banjo to have a neutral 3rd on one of the
> strings.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > Well yeah, tune the second string to a B
> half-flat and you can
> play even
> > > bluer blue notes, not to mention certain Arabic
> maqamat. You just
> have
> > > to change the way you play chords when you
> _don't_ want quarter
> tones.
> > >
> > > Better yet, get one fretted in 31-ET, especially
> a five-string
> designed
> > > to play chords. An Irish tenor might be better
> off fretted like a
> > > Turkish saz - or at least lower on the neck
> before the frets get
> too
> > > crowded, 41-ET.
> > >
> > > Or you can always get a cï¿½mbï¿½ï¿½... ~D.
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>

🔗Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@...>

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@...>

Hi Dan,

I was interested, but I guess I waited too long. The yousendit
links have expired! -Carl

At 08:49 AM 7/9/2008, you wrote:
>Should anyone be interested I've uploaded 6 microtonal pieces, well 8
>i guess if you take the two alternate takes of the quartertone piece,
>here:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/6dnfva
>a multiple guitar piece for quartertones using the Chris
>Shaffer "Spanish Nail Steinberger" pictured here:
>http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c33/danstearns/quartertonefinished.j
>pg
>
>http://tinyurl.com/5mjfcp
>http://tinyurl.com/5a54td
>two little interludes based mostly on the 5-tone equal scale in the
>20-tone equal tempered guitar pictured here:
>http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c33/danstearns/P7070193.jpg
>http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c33/danstearns/P7070190.jpg
>http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c33/danstearns/P7070147.jpg
>http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c33/danstearns/P7070113.jpg
>
>http://tinyurl.com/5ujtfw
>another little interlude, this time featuring the polymicro, 6 sting
>banjo pictured here:
>http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c33/danstearns/P9170121.jpg
>
>http://tinyurl.com/5a2slw
>http://tinyurl.com/5nf67a
>two older pieces for multiple clarinets, recorded anewclarinet was
>my first instrument all the way back from grade school, and it was
>also one of the first instruments that made me start to seriously
>think about microtones
>
>http://tinyurl.com/5d7quh
>http://tinyurl.com/5bez2g
>just two alternate takes of the first quartertone piece
>
>None of these things have been online before. Some are just little
>sketches and interludes and some are more complete pieces and all are
>fairly straightforward, i.e. one instrument and mostly acoustic or
>minimally amped (electric guitars are after all electric). But what's
>good, certainly good enough news for me, is that they're all kind of
>a little effort at getting back to recording and playing after
>battling with Lyme disease for the past couple years which has led to
>a steady hearing loss in my left ear and a host of other bothersome
>maladies. Getting used to and working with this has been difficult,
>but there are far worse fates in life and I'm happy to once again
>have a go at music .
>
>Take care,
>dan

🔗Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_anthony_stearns"
<daniel_anthony_stearns@...> wrote:
>
> ha, well in honor of being the honorary Zebox Employer of the Week
> this week I've decided to upload a little sneak preview of a piece
> I'm finishing after a visit from bassoonist/etceteraist Jacob Barton :
>
> http://zebox.com/daniel_anthony_stearns/
>
> It's the last piece on there, and while it's only a little over a
> minute long, it's pretty "tightly packed". play it loud!

Hey Dan (and I guess Jacob--Hi Jacob!),

Who did what here? Anyway, this is really dense and delicious, and as
usual for a Dan Stearns track, the production values are
amazing--sounds great in the ol' headphones.

-AKJ.

🔗. . <offtheblvdrecords@...>

🔗Prent Rodgers <prentrodgers@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, ". ." <offtheblvdrecords@...>
wrote:
>
>
> What are a list of programs, free, cheap or (and i know how some
feel about this but...) cracked software that you all use for
composing and making your music?
>
I use Csound. Free, cross platform software with unlimited tuning and
timbre possibilities, as long as you have infinite time, patience, and
a good understanding of digital signal processing. There is a very
supportive community of people who can help learn the software, and
lots of examples out there. I had to write a pre-processor to do some
of the work choosing the right sample for each note, but that's optional.

Prent Rodgers

🔗robert thomas martin <robertthomasmartin@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_anthony_stearns"
<daniel_anthony_stearns@...> wrote:
>
> i put a cheap microphone in front of a cheap instrument and press
> record on a cheaper recording thing
>
> http://netnewmusic.ning.com/profile/danstearns
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@...m, "Prent Rodgers"
> <prentrodgers@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, ". ." <offtheblvdrecords@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > What are a list of programs, free, cheap or (and i know how some
> > feel about this but...) cracked software that you all use for
> > composing and making your music?
> > >
> > I use Csound. Free, cross platform software with unlimited tuning
> and
> > timbre possibilities, as long as you have infinite time,
patience,
> and
> > a good understanding of digital signal processing. There is a very
> > supportive community of people who can help learn the software,
and
> > lots of examples out there. I had to write a pre-processor to do
> some
> > of the work choosing the right sample for each note, but that's
> optional.
> >
> > Prent Rodgers
> >
>
From Robert. I use ANY Windows XP software which can be connected
via midi to an externally microtuned sound device.
This working method limits me to using only twelve (per octave)
notes at a time which I find adequate enough for short lyrical
pieces between 3 to 6 minutes in length. This is a practical
compromise I have adopted which enables me to take advantage of
the current technology while waiting for future developments
which may or may not be useful to me.

🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

I simply think about music

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:24 AM, daniel_anthony_stearns <
daniel_anthony_stearns@...> wrote:

> i put a cheap microphone in front of a cheap instrument and press
> record on a cheaper recording thing
>
> http://netnewmusic.ning.com/profile/danstearns
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com <MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Prent Rodgers"
> <prentrodgers@...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com <MakeMicroMusic%40yahoogroups.com>,
> ". ." <offtheblvdrecords@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > What are a list of programs, free, cheap or (and i know how some
> > feel about this but...) cracked software that you all use for
> > composing and making your music?
> > >
> > I use Csound. Free, cross platform software with unlimited tuning
> and
> > timbre possibilities, as long as you have infinite time, patience,
> and
> > a good understanding of digital signal processing. There is a very
> > supportive community of people who can help learn the software, and
> > lots of examples out there. I had to write a pre-processor to do
> some
> > of the work choosing the right sample for each note, but that's
> optional.
> >
> > Prent Rodgers
> >
>
>
>

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🔗jrinkel@...

I have used CSound, but when I started really getting into generating sounds
for my recent CD, I realized the philosophy of generating sounds did not match
the way I liked to think of them (plus I frequently I hit some arbitrary limits
set in the program). So, I ended up writing all of my own code using Python
which generated C++. Recently I discovered SuperCollider which takes an object
oriented / functional approach to writing the code / algorithms to generate
sounds. I've played with it briefly -- looks promising.

Jay

Quoting ". ." <offtheblvdrecords@...>:

>
> What are a list of programs, free, cheap or (and i know how some feel
> about this but...) cracked software that you all use for composing and
> making your music?
>
>
>
>

🔗Cameron Bobro <misterbobro@...>

🔗Danny Wier <dawiertx@...>

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, ". ." <offtheblvdrecords@...>
> wrote:
> >> What are a list of programs, free, cheap or (and i know how some >> > feel about this but...) cracked software that you all use for > composing and making your music?

Everything I use is free or shareware. Except the synth and computer itself, of course.

For composing/sequencing, I use Noteworthy Composer, which is a shareware Windows program (US$39 to register), but earlier this year, I switched to Linux (Ubuntu Studio), so I'm running it under Wine. I'm planning on using Rosegarden for composing, but I haven't mastered it yet, and I'm so used to NWC I hate to give it up. I also need to get acquainted with Lilypond for making scores.

For recording, I use free software: Ardour GTK2 and Audacity. I'd record with Audacity only, but it has serious issues with ALSA, so I have to use both. I use Ardour for recording and mixing, and Audacity for editing, applying effects and converting WAV files to MP3 or OGG, stuff like that.

My synth and keyboard controller is a Roland EXR-40 OR, which I got for *cheap* since it's no longer top-of-the-line in the series. It has good sounds for the price, and being an Oriental keyboard, it has scale tuning and a lot of sounds and rhythms for Middle Eastern music, including 'ud, qanun, bouzouki, dumbek, riqq, ney and mizmar. I also use Frank Wen's freeware Fluid R3 mega-soundfont, which also comes with Ubuntu Studio.

I also play an Ibanez six-string bass that I defretted and epoxied myself, Jaco-style.

(I sound like a walking advertisement for Ubuntu Studio now, don't I. That or Roland and Ibanez.)

~D.

Re: [MMM] six new uploads

🔗Pete McRae <professorsidewinder@...>

🔗Jon Szanto <jszanto@...>

🔗Pete McRae <professorsidewinder@...>

🔗Danny Wier <dawiertx@...>

🔗Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>

🔗Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>

🔗Danny Wier <dawiertx@...>

🔗Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>

🔗Danny Wier <dawiertx@...>

🔗Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...>

🔗Danny Wier <dawiertx@...>

🔗Pete McRae <professorsidewinder@...>

🔗Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@...>

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@...>

🔗Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@...>

🔗. . <offtheblvdrecords@...>

🔗Prent Rodgers <prentrodgers@...>

🔗robert thomas martin <robertthomasmartin@...>

🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

🔗jrinkel@...

🔗Cameron Bobro <misterbobro@...>

🔗Danny Wier <dawiertx@...>

🔗plopper6 <billwestfall@...>