New Member

Hello there!

I decided to join this list because it's time to make some music
instead of staring at lattices!
I uploaded one piece of mine called Nocturne to the files section.
Please listen to it and comment. It is in 1-3-5-7 hexany tuning.

Kalle Aho

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "kalleaho" <kalleaho@m...> wrote:
> Hello there!
>
> I decided to join this list because it's time to make some music
> instead of staring at lattices!
> I uploaded one piece of mine called Nocturne to the files section.
> Please listen to it and comment. It is in 1-3-5-7 hexany tuning.
>
> Kalle Aho

Lovely!!

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "kalleaho" <kalleaho@m...> wrote:

/makemicromusic/topicId_1864.html#1864

> Hello there!
>
> I decided to join this list because it's time to make some music
> instead of staring at lattices!
> I uploaded one piece of mine called Nocturne to the files section.
> Please listen to it and comment. It is in 1-3-5-7 hexany tuning.
>
> Kalle Aho

I thought this worked quite nicely, particularly since the
combination product sets are a little tricky to work with... or, at
least that's been *my* experience...

J. Pehrson

Kalle!

Welcome, and good on you for your piece!

{you wrote...}
>I decided to join this list because it's time to make some music instead >of staring at lattices!

Oooh, let's burn him at the stake... just kidding. I think it is good to see if what one has worked on - on paper or in the brain - bears fruit audibly.

>I uploaded one piece of mine called Nocturne to the files section.

I enjoyed it, on a few levels. For one thing, it makes abundantly clear how embarrassingly possible it is these days to actually hear and make microtonal music. The virtual world has opened doors that, while they won't *replace* acoustic instruments, certainly drops many of the barriers to exploring new intonations. And I thought you used the effects (flange, etc.) in a very 'orchestrational' way, to add variety.

Besides this, I have to say that the resurgence in electronic forms (electronica, trance, etc.) have almost taken me back to the Sixties again! (and I don't know if that's a good thing...) If you doubt the influence, take a look at the splash page I put up last night: when designing the poster for the upcoming Partch Centennial in San Jose, our designer said "Hey, if you're going to be putting Harry up in the Haight we ought to get some good period colors going." Since I wanted a small image of the poster for the splash (not many people enter this way anyway), I made a background image that reminded me of the 'op art' of the times.

http://www.corporeal.com/index.html

or just

http://corporeal.com/

I can hear the sitars and smell the incense all over again, but I promise to never repeat this silliness...

Again, welcome and thanks for sharing that piece - more, please!

Cheers,
Jon

Tally-Ho, Good Show, Kalle Aho!

Welcome to this community!

I liked your Nocturne alot. Do you play drums? I heard a strong paradiddle
element in the upper voice.

Send us more!

George Zelenz

kalleaho wrote:

> Hello there!
>
> I decided to join this list because it's time to make some music
> instead of staring at lattices!
> I uploaded one piece of mine called Nocturne to the files section.
> Please listen to it and comment. It is in 1-3-5-7 hexany tuning.
>
> Kalle Aho
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., George Zelenz <ploo@m...> wrote:
> Tally-Ho, Good Show, Kalle Aho!
>
> Welcome to this community!
>
> I liked your Nocturne alot. Do you play drums? I heard a strong
paradiddle
> element in the upper voice.
>
> Send us more!
>
> George Zelenz

Thanks, George!

I don't play drums. That paradiddle thing came from the way the
melody moves in 90 bpm and the echo in 120 bpm.

Kalle

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "Jonathan M. Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:
> Kalle!
>
> Welcome, and good on you for your piece!

Thanks, Jon!

> {you wrote...}
> >I decided to join this list because it's time to make some music
instead
> >of staring at lattices!
>
> Oooh, let's burn him at the stake... just kidding. I think it is
good to
> see if what one has worked on - on paper or in the brain - bears
fruit audibly.

Actually I'm always thinking about all kinds of musical structures
and I think they can be very powerful if you know how to get the
music out of them.

> >I uploaded one piece of mine called Nocturne to the files section.

> I enjoyed it, on a few levels. For one thing, it makes abundantly
clear how
> embarrassingly possible it is these days to actually hear and make
> microtonal music. The virtual world has opened doors that, while
they won't
> *replace* acoustic instruments, certainly drops many of the
barriers to
> exploring new intonations. And I thought you used the effects
(flange,
> etc.) in a very 'orchestrational' way, to add variety.

I don't see much point in using synths and computers to imitate
acoustic instruments. For a long time I studied acoustics of real
instruments and psychoacoustics of timbre to get closer to the sounds
of them. I even succeeded in creating a good imitation of saxophone,
that was just sawtooth waves and stacked resonant filters for
formants. But it's ridiculous! I see now that it is just the same
phenomenon when first automobiles looked like horse wagons. Don't get
me wrong, I love acoustic instruments! But those "virtual" sounds
could have a completely different character!
I love synthesized sounds because of their potential for pure
simplicity. Here is the reason. When I manipulate a sample of
acoustic instrument it kind of never loses its identity but simple
sounds just get more complex and gain more and more in identity and
character.

Kalle Aho

Kalle,

{you wrote...}
>I don't see much point in using synths and computers to imitate acoustic >instruments.

I agree entirely, unless the task is specifically to do that. Having lived my entire life as a player in the middle of about 60-80 acoustic instruments, I have found that the closer the emulation gets, the more you notice what it *isn't* - the real thing!

To me, the value of the synths (and even the samplers, used other than a 'strict' sample playback) are in their ability to do things, and make sounds, that can't be done any other way.

>I love synthesized sounds because of their potential for pure simplicity. >Here is the reason. When I manipulate a sample of acoustic instrument it >kind of never loses its identity but simple sounds just get more complex >and gain more and more in identity and character.

Excellent.

Cheers,
Jon

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "kalleaho" <kalleaho@m...> wrote:

> I don't see much point in using synths and computers to imitate
> acoustic instruments.

The sampled imitations seem to have more character than synthesis gives, and using computers means you "perform" it yourself, in the tuning you choose.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@j...>
wrote:
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "kalleaho" <kalleaho@m...> wrote:
>
> > I don't see much point in using synths and computers to imitate
> > acoustic instruments.
>
> The sampled imitations seem to have more character than synthesis
gives, and using computers means you "perform" it yourself, in the
tuning you choose.

Well, sampled imitations have also the character of sounding like
sampled imitations!
They can sound really good if one has sampled almost every note so
that there are no drastic changes in timbral quality across the
keyboard.
But when I hear an orchestral instrument sample looping I go nuts!
It's so easy to hear.
I can very much understand your point about tuning. For many people
who are into acoustic instruments and microtonality this must be the
only option.

Kalle

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "kalleaho" <kalleaho@m...> wrote:
> --- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@j...>
> wrote:
> > --- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "kalleaho" <kalleaho@m...> wrote:
> > For many people
> who are into acoustic instruments and microtonality this must be
the
> only option.
>
> Kalle

Dear Kalle:

Thanks for posting that wonderful piece!

I always defer to the "builders" (like Kraig and Alison), on matters
of tuning _or_ notation.

Attempts at 'revision', or 'rescheduling' white-key black-key
relationships are anemic to me, as much as I understand how
compelling they can be.

Consonance/Dissonance as theoretical markers quickly become
laboratory animals as we discuss them, I think. (I've yet to hear an
11-limit interval I would call "consonant", which may be why I love
them so much!) It also seems to me that even the 7/4 is still
controversial, if only because of factors like me being subjected
to "American" pop-music EVERYWHERE I go. Even the gas-pumps had
loudspeakers recently! Any further opinions on 12tET detox?

But really, what I wanted to say, in addition to my gratitude for
your creative input (which has motivated me to get something up of my
own as soon as possible), was thanks to Kraig Grady for giving me the
unequivocal experience of Motion-to-Air-to-Ear, which I can never
replace with any loudspeaker or related electronic device (trust me,
I'm a _devoted_ rock'n'roll guitarist!). HP said: "A stretched
string is a thing of beauty", didn't he? I don't recall him
endorsing any brand of amplifier...

Cheers, y'all!

Pete

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "ambassadorbob" <petesfriedclams@a...>
wrote:
> Dear Kalle:
>
> Thanks for posting that wonderful piece!

Thank you, Pete!

> Attempts at 'revision', or 'rescheduling' white-key black-key
> relationships are anemic to me, as much as I understand how
> compelling they can be.

Well, I have to admit that it is rather boring but quite necessary
aspect of the lives of xenharmonic keybo-people and synthezoids.

I'm waiting to hear your music!

Kalle

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "kalleaho" <kalleaho@m...> wrote:

/makemicromusic/topicId_1864.html#1897

> --- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@j...>
> wrote:
> > --- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "kalleaho" <kalleaho@m...> wrote:
> >
> > > I don't see much point in using synths and computers to imitate
> > > acoustic instruments.
> >
> > The sampled imitations seem to have more character than synthesis
> gives, and using computers means you "perform" it yourself, in the
> tuning you choose.
>
> Well, sampled imitations have also the character of sounding like
> sampled imitations!
> They can sound really good if one has sampled almost every note so
> that there are no drastic changes in timbral quality across the
> keyboard.
> But when I hear an orchestral instrument sample looping I go nuts!
> It's so easy to hear.
> I can very much understand your point about tuning. For many people
> who are into acoustic instruments and microtonality this must be
the
> only option.
>
> Kalle

I believe there are quite a few people around nowadays who don't
believe this *has* to be...

JP

Joe,

{you wrote...}
>I believe there are quite a few people around nowadays who don't believe >this *has* to be...

Try to keep in mind people who live in small towns all over the globe - not everyone has the microtonal resources (read: performers) of New York, London, etc., and not everyone is a 'traditional' composer that would prepare notational music for others to perform. You are making great headway, partly because of Johnny's trail-blazing, but for many a person a set of acoustic samples and some software can sure get a lot of music accomplished.

Just ask Prent Rodgers.

Cheers,
Jon (who, nonetheless, understands your point...)

Quick introduction as a new member.

I work in classical radio and do music at home for my enjoyment. I
make no claims as a great musician, but know I have a great time
making music.... and I grow and learn with each new work.

Since I hear music all day as part of my job, and have for more than
30 years, I seek new sound experiences. Pachelbel's Canon? Mozart's
Eine Kleine Nachtmusik? Great... but I have heard both "infinity"
times. First I turned to Janacek for relief... then Messiaen... now
I am ranging further... and so now I am here. ;-)

A modest inheritance, and some crazy ideas, and I find myself with a
large collection of instruments. I should have paid bills.. but...

I bought the h-pi.com tuning box the other day and have taken my
first steps into different scales. Some I like.. some I will remove
soon!

http://youtube.com/sidecars

I look forward to looking through this site and hearing your
creations. Here's to the love of music and stretching boundaries!

Bryan
Seattle

Hi bryan

Welcom and have a good time with microtonal music.
It is your kind to hear my musics and give me your feed back:

http://240edo.googlepages.com/mymusic

Best wishes for you

Shaahin Mohajeri

Tombak Player & Researcher , Microtonal Composer

My web siteوب سايت شاهين مهاجري <http://240edo.googlepages.com/>

My farsi page in Harmonytalk صفحه اختصاصي در هارموني تاك <http://www.harmonytalk.com/mohajeri>

Shaahin Mohajeri in Wikipedia شاهين مهاجري دردائره المعارف ويكي پديا <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaahin_mohajeri>

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Bryan Lowe wrote,

> Since I hear music all day as part of my job, and have for more than
> 30 years, I seek new sound experiences.
> ...
> I am ranging further... and so now I am here. ;-)

Try Harry Partch as one starting point. I would recommend "Delusion of the
Fury" for beginners with classical experience.

Rick

Wow. Thanks. Interesting stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6buNHKzS-Nc

I also heard and liked some things here...

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=141776

Oh, and that double necked lute link posted not too far back was nice.

Thanks!

Bryan

>
> Try Harry Partch as one starting point. I would recommend "Delusion
of the
> Fury" for beginners with classical experience.
>
> Rick
>

Hi Shaahin,

Some great stuff there. I will spend some time there. Thanks!

--- In MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "Mohajeri
Shahin" <shahinm@...> wrote:
>
> Hi bryan
>
> Welcom and have a good time with microtonal music.
> It is your kind to hear my musics and give me your feed back:
>
> http://240edo.googlepages.com/mymusic
>
> Best wishes for you
>
> Shaahin Mohajeri
>
> Tombak Player & Researcher , Microtonal Composer
>
> My web siteوب سايت شاهين مهاجري <http://
240edo.googlepages.com/>
>
> My farsi page in Harmonytalk صÙo?=حه اختصاصي در
هارموني تاك <http://www.harmonytalk.com/mohajeri>
>
> Shaahin Mohajeri in Wikipedia شاهين مهاجري
دردائره المعارÙo?= ويكي پديا <http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaahin_mohajeri>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>