[MMM] The Joy of (free) Tools

Following up on Jon's free tools post...

Syntrillium's "CoolEdit" demo version is really powerful. The demo version
is free, and allows you to perform 2 types of operations per invocation.
It's definitely worth checking out. I use it a lot. You can download the
demo from http://www.syntrillium.com and if you decide to buy, it's simple &
cheap.

CoolEdit is both a sophisticated sound editor & sound format converter... so
in one program you get your basic editor and high-quality MP3 encoder.

Rick

Rick,

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., Rick McGowan <rick@u...> wrote:
> CoolEdit is both a sophisticated sound editor & sound format
> converter... so in one program you get your basic editor and high-
> quality MP3 encoder.

Absolutely. I was very impressed by their latest version, and if
someone was going to buy one basic piece of audio software, it would
be hard to find a better modest purchase then CoolEdit. And the demo
will let you work, so you find out if you like it.

Thanks for the reminder!

Jon

> From: Rick McGowan <rick@...>
> To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 7:23 AM
> Subject: [MMM] The Joy of (free) Tools
>
>
> Following up on Jon's free tools post...
>
> Syntrillium's "CoolEdit" demo version is really powerful. The demo
version
> is free, and allows you to perform 2 types of operations per invocation.
> It's definitely worth checking out. I use it a lot. You can download the
> demo from http://www.syntrillium.com and if you decide to buy, it's
simple &
> cheap.
>
> CoolEdit is both a sophisticated sound editor & sound format converter...
so
> in one program you get your basic editor and high-quality MP3 encoder.

Yes, I second this.

I can't use CoolEdit anymore now until I register it, but I used
the demo while it lasted (when my first mp3s appeared a couple of
months ago) and it was fantastic!

Since my CoolEdit demo died, I've been using LAME to make mp3s,
and I agree with Jon that it works just fine for a freebie.

love / peace / harmony ...

-monz
http://www.monz.org
"All roads lead to n^0"

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List-Mom here,

This is a fine line, and I'm wanting to at least broach the subject. I specifically posted free tools -- literally that: freeware.

{Dave, you wrote...}
>Cool Edit demo is dead? Simple. Go to: www.astalavista.com and search "Cool
>Edit" find your specific version, and download the little file. Voila! Working
>program.

Voila! No tech support, and more importantly, no support for the good work that has gone into, and will go into program. Cool Edit is not a hugely expensive program, and having started as shareware years ago would be a good candidate for support.

What I'm dancing around is that Dave, you've provided us with a crack site.

>Not sure, but Astalavista may now need you to subscribe to it... this is >new, used to be totally free. But I am sure it is far cheaper than going >through Syntrillium.

Yes, because they don't have to do any work other than crack registration code. Not to mention that in checking it out, I got bombarded with JavaScript-driven pop-up sites for a bunch of porno places. The porn doesn't bother me, but it certainly would if someone around here tried the tip and had someone in the room that they didn't want to have see it; me, the pop-ups are the pain in the ass.

If other people have thoughts on this, feel free to post but let's not let the thread go on too far. Not being a censorious type, Dave, I won't ask you to never mention crack/hack sites in the future, but I will ask you to write these as private emails to individuals, as I have no idea how our host would look on these types of posts.

Hope that is OK with all of you.

Cheers,
Jon

DaveX wrote:

> Cool Edit demo is dead? Simple. Go to: www.astalavista.com and search
> "Cool Edit" find your specific version, and download the little file.
> Voila! Working program. Not sure, but Astalavista may now need you to
> subscribe to it... this is new, used to be totally free. But I am sure
> it is far cheaper than going through Syntrillium.

Harrumph, well, anyone is welcome to be a pirate, I suppose, but as a
software engineer (and one who's _NOT_ getting rich), I would prefer not to
read "how-to" pirating instructions in this forum.

Really... CoolEdit is just $69 from Syntrillium, and anyone who's doing
sound recording can certainly afford to buy a copy after trying it out with
their generous demo, and you needn't contribute to the culture of software
piracy. Do you think little ol' Syntrillium is getting rich off CoolEdit?
Not at $69 for a niche specialty product they're not!

If you're going to become a pirate, there are plenty of rich software
companies to plunder, and plenty of other venues to trade relevant info.

Thanks,
Rick

> From: Jonathan M. Szanto <JSZANTO@...>
> To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 10:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [MMM] The Joy of (free) Tools
>
>
> {Dave, you wrote...}
> > Cool Edit demo is dead? Simple. Go to: www.astalavista.com
> > and search "Cool Edit" find your specific version, and download
> > the little file. Voila! Working program.
>
> ... Dave, you've provided us with a crack site.
> If other people have thoughts on this, feel free to post but let's not let
> the thread go on too far. Not being a censorious type, Dave, I won't ask
> you to never mention crack/hack sites in the future, but I will ask you to
> write these as private emails to individuals, as I have no idea how our
> host would look on these types of posts.
>
> Hope that is OK with all of you.

Hey Jon,

You responded to Dave's post pretty much the way I was going to.
I found out about astalavista.com a while back, and don't use it
precisely because of the annoying pop-ups. And in principle, I
don't think it's right anyway. (But thanks anyway, Dave, for
those who have less scruples...)

love / peace / harmony ...

-monz
http://www.monz.org
"All roads lead to n^0"

_________________________________________________________
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But you DID check it out, huh, Jon? I had the idea that the list maybe
had some of us "po' folks" on it, who might decide to check out the
Astalavista website. I personally don't have a really huge problem with
piracy of software. If Sytrillium has any brains whatsoever, they must
realize that sending out a demo that contains the entire program, etc,
and only needs a little code... jeez, I mean, technically, they ARE
giving away the whole program for free. It DOES reside on your computer,
only in a somewhat (and temporarily) inaccessable form. Philosophically,
it is interesting, but I will be honest, I haven't thought about it that
much because I haven't felt the need to prove anything to myself. Yes,
it is piracy, no I'm not too concerned.

Also: I'm curious why it matters from which companies one pirates...
some MMMers seem to feel that pirating is okay as long as it is from one
of the bigger companies. Does the act of stealing somehow become negated
if the victim is having greater assets?

More interesting philosophy that needs to be considered.

DaveX

ps-- no hard feelings, I really don't mind this at all.

> > subscribe to it... this is new, used to be totally free. But I am
sure
> > it is far cheaper than going through Syntrillium.
>
> Harrumph, well, anyone is welcome to be a pirate, I suppose, but as
> a software engineer (and one who's _NOT_ getting rich), I would
> prefer not to read "how-to" pirating instructions in this forum.

I second your harrumph. Cracking someone's software is as naughty as
stealing someone's music.

John Starrett

I would
> > prefer not to read "how-to" pirating instructions in this forum.
>
> I second your harrumph. Cracking someone's software is as naughty
as
> stealing someone's music.
>

Ditto and likewise. I'm sitting in here in German dongle hell as a
legitimate user of Reaktor, Cubase and Logic, furious because the
dongle problems are keeping me from using software I have
legitimately paid for and registered, and its just the wrong day to
hear someone blithely offer advice on cracked copies. The
manufacturers wouldn't have to use these medieval chastity belts if
everyone stayed respectful of another's intellectual property.
Talking about being 'po is just a disrespectful excuse for stealing.

Mary

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "X. J. Scott" <xjscott@e...> wrote:

> In other words,
> BOHICA.

What does this mean? I just know it as the name of an album by a charming band from New
Haven, Mighty Purple.

> I second your harrumph. Cracking someone's software is as naughty as
> stealing someone's music.

Jeez, you'd really hate my next album...

DaveX

"X. J. Scott" wrote:

> And furthermore,
>
> How many poor people have internet connections and
> access to high speed computers?

The net connection is free. And I stole the computer. *laughs, just
kidding* I don't think pirating software qualifies a person to be the
lowest form of life around, like someone mentioned, but it is certainly
unethical by normal standards. I'd also like to make mention that I have
never stated that I have personally done this. It was merely a helping
hint to someone with a dead copy.

If anything, priacy is sometimes like the MP3 quandry, "does it or does
it not help new music?"

I think that sometimes, people just want to be greedy and not pay for
the music. But sometimes, they want to check something out fully before
they commit any money. FULLY. And later, when they get some cash, they'd
like to get the real deal, the full package, you know? Even thought the
MP3 or pirated program is the same, they know that getting the liner
notes (or the documentation, or tech support) is nice, and it gets filed
away in their head someday "I'm gonna buy that when I get to that level.
For now, I'm going to work with this free copy and have money to feed my
kid when I struggle through college..."

I think that when plenty of companies like Microsoft, Hewlett-Packard
(and even Reaktor, for you paying customers) have a hard time providing
something quality, some users believe that it is best to get intimate
with a program before they bother to commit. (Read that any way you
want, sickos!) This is all I want to say on this. I respect your
opinions, but I just don't share them. I believe that some small measure
of respect for mine is also due.

DaveX

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Devil advocate again and not directed at Jeff here either. What about
sampling, you thieves, you know the kind of sampling i mean too. it
Ann's no different than software.

"X. J. Scott" wrote:

> And furthermore,
>
> How many poor people have internet connections and
> access to high speed computers?
>
> Disgraceful!
>
> - Jeff
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
http://www.anaphoria.com

The Wandering Medicine Show
Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "X. J. Scott" <xjscott@e...> wrote:
> And furthermore,
>
> How many poor people have internet connections and
> access to high speed computers?
>
> Disgraceful!
>
> - Jeff

Jeff, I think many folks who use pirated software just haven't
thought about it carefully. They are not necessarily criminally
inclined or destined to run for the House.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., Dave X <davex@s...> wrote:
> > I second your harrumph. Cracking someone's software is as naughty
> > as
> > stealing someone's music.
>
> Jeez, you'd really hate my next album...
>
> DaveX

I am confused. Yes, you knew that, but I mean I am confused over this
statement. Did you steal the music on your next album? Ah, perhaps it
was recorded with a cracked Cool Edit. I assure you, I like music by
both naughty and nice composers.

Let me set the record straight. I have used software that is not mine,
and I even used a Mathematica crack so I could use my copy both at
home and at school. I have been naughty. I ended up buying the second
Mathematica because I felt guilty.

I believe people should pay for the software they use, but I hold no
ill will towards folks with a different philosophy. I just think they
are naughty.

John Starrett

John Starrett wrote:

I just think they are naughty.

Dear John, are you Santa?

GZ

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:
> Devil advocate again and not directed at Jeff here either. What
about
> sampling, you thieves, you know the kind of sampling i mean too. it
> Ann's no different than software.
<snip>

I was confused for a few seconds again with Ann's. It should be ain't,
I guess. Since ain't is slang anyway, why do we bother with the
apostrophe?

I think short samples are like found sounds-- fair game.

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., George Zelenz <ploo@m...> wrote:
>
>
> John Starrett wrote:
>
> I just think they are naughty.
>
>
> Dear John, are you Santa?
>
> GZ

No, I never check my list twice. But I will seize you when you are
sleeping, so be good for goodness' sake.

John Starrett

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., Rick McGowan <rick@u...> wrote:

/makemicromusic/topicId_173.html#173

> Following up on Jon's free tools post...
>
> Syntrillium's "CoolEdit" demo version is really powerful. The demo
version
> is free, and allows you to perform 2 types of operations per
invocation.
> It's definitely worth checking out. I use it a lot. You can
download the
> demo from http://www.syntrillium.com and if you decide to buy,
it's simple &
> cheap.
>
> CoolEdit is both a sophisticated sound editor & sound format
converter... so
> in one program you get your basic editor and high-quality MP3
encoder.
>
> Rick

I like it, too! Not bad for about $60 or whatever it is nowadays...

__________ _______ ______
Joseph Pehrson

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:

/makemicromusic/topicId_173.html#207

> Devil advocate again and not directed at Jeff here either. What
about
> sampling, you thieves, you know the kind of sampling i mean too. it
> Ann's no different than software.
>

And it's no different than traditional "quotation" in a score.

I find them both the same... not terribly creative.

Although my friend Gene Pritsker and his rap band can sample a mighty
micro-minute of Stravinsky and turn it into a great rap tune!

___________ ________ _____
Joseph Pehrson

Don't make me vomit

jpehrson@... wrote:

> Although my friend Gene Pritsker and his rap band can sample a mighty
> micro-minute of Stravinsky and turn it into a great rap tune!

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
http://www.anaphoria.com

The Wandering Medicine Show
Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:
> Don't make me vomit
<snip>
> > Although my friend Gene Pritsker and his rap band can sample a
> > mighty
> > micro-minute of Stravinsky and turn it into a great rap tune!

Interesting, but it is rap:
http://www.avantnoise.com/artists/artist_webpage.phtml?data_id=467&typ
e=1&mode=view

Some of these will definitely make you vomit:
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/69/sound_liberation.html

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:

/makemicromusic/topicId_173.html#260

> Don't make me vomit
>
> jpehrson@r... wrote:
>
> > Although my friend Gene Pritsker and his rap band can sample a
mighty micro-minute of Stravinsky and turn it into a great rap tune!
>
> -- Kraig Grady
> North American Embassy of Anaphoria island
> http://www.anaphoria.com
>
> The Wandering Medicine Show
> Wed. 8-9 KXLU 88.9 fm

Kraig!

I certainly wouldn't want you to do that... at least not in *my*
presence.... but, perhaps if you don't care for the rap version of
Stravinsky, the rap Brahms or rap Bach would be more appealing??

http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/69/sound_liberation.html

_________ ______ _____
Joseph Pehrson

> I am confused. Yes, you knew that, but I mean I am confused over this
> statement. Did you steal the music on your next album?

I used some samples here and there. I have tried very hard to use them
in nex contexts, which I feel is justifiable, despite copyright
concerns. I also packaged my album in old vinyl cases, which I have
obtained from a thrift store. I like seeing Mantovani albums be used for
something else besides sitting in dusty shelves (even if this is where
they belong!) To top it off, I am including the original albums from
these sleeves as a gift. That way, they may be recycled further,
possibly by people interested in using them in creative ways.

DaveX

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., Dave X <davex@s...> wrote:
>
>
> > I am confused. Yes, you knew that, but I mean I am confused over
this
> > statement. Did you steal the music on your next album?
>
> I used some samples here and there. I have tried very hard to use
them
> in nex contexts, which I feel is justifiable, despite copyright
> concerns. I also packaged my album in old vinyl cases, which I have
> obtained from a thrift store. I like seeing Mantovani albums be used
for
> something else besides sitting in dusty shelves (even if this is
where
> they belong!) To top it off, I am including the original albums from
> these sleeves as a gift. That way, they may be recycled further,
> possibly by people interested in using them in creative ways.
>
> DaveX

Cool. I appreciate that creative approach. I bet you are familiar with
"Sing Along with Tenneco".