Why we are here, Part 2

So, as I started to say...

(see, tonight is the first night where it's quiet and I have some spark left, so that explains the bevy of posts...)

http://www.microtonal.org

Don't get real excited, at least for the moment. There isn't anything but a placeholder site there. But I've registered the domain and setup a host site. It's purpose? Well, just for openers, to have a place to put files so we can have reliable downloads. I've gotten tired of the Yahoo run-around, and they certainly don't answer mail, so as soon as I can cobble together a couple of pages and figure the best way to give access to uploading to the site, we will have 20mb of space (minus a couple of k for web pages) to post new music for others to download. The host service got a great review on Cnet, and so I went for it.

That's the short run: a place to post our music while we still have the Yahoo group for Creating/Making Microtonal Music.

*While* we still have.

And I don't believe it will last, so the next step(s) will be:

1. a basic background on why this group of people came together and continues to exist

2. a place for members - if they wish - to have a link, a brief description, and anything else about themselves

3. a page of resources *specifically* (as best we can focus) for the creation of microtonal music

AND!

If and when Yahoo Groups gets so irritating that members are causing public disturbances or losing what little hair the male-pattern-baldness hasn't disbursed, I will find a way to host either a forum (I *know* this is possible) or a traditional listserv-type mailing list (hmmm, I'm *sure* this can be done...) so that we won't be at the mercy of a freebie site.

That's it. I'll try to have the bones of the site, as well as instructions for uploading, etc, in a short time. And now that the domain microtonal.org is spoken for, we can move it to whatever is the best resource for hosting it. I would rather not see this nice bunch of musically-oriented humans be scattered to the cyber-winds...

As always, Mom loves you.
Jon

In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011220232048.00a7ed10@...>
Jon Szanto wrote:

> http://www.microtonal.org

Top hole! That wasn't available when I went domain shopping.

> Don't get real excited, at least for the moment. There isn't anything
> but a placeholder site there. But I've registered the domain and setup
> a host site. It's purpose? Well, just for openers, to have a place to
> put files so we can have reliable downloads. I've gotten tired of the
> Yahoo run-around, and they certainly don't answer mail, so as soon as I
> can cobble together a couple of pages and figure the best way to give
> access to uploading to the site, we will have 20mb of space (minus a
> couple of k for web pages) to post new music for others to download.
> The host service got a great review on Cnet, and so I went for it.

What service is that, then? On Monday, microtonal.co.uk should be moving
to hosting4less. I'll then have 100MB of space, some of which can be used
for file storage. I can set up an arbitrary number of FTP accounts
pointing to a subdirectory. So it's like having your own website, but I
pay for it. That 100MB could still run out, and the bandwidth restriction
might be a problem if it gets popular, so diversity is always to be
welcomed.

> If and when Yahoo Groups gets so irritating that members are causing
> public disturbances or losing what little hair the
> male-pattern-baldness hasn't disbursed, I will find a way to host
> either a forum (I *know* this is possible) or a traditional
> listserv-type mailing list (hmmm, I'm *sure* this can be done...) so
> that we won't be at the mercy of a freebie site.

I can definitely get a majordomo mailing list at microtonal.co.uk. They
say very little about the standard mailing list option, but it might have
a web front end. Then again, it might only be a distribution list. I'll
look into this sometime, once the rest of the move is finished and I've
written some nice CGI scripts and maybe even some music.

It's also possible to run a CGI forum that doesn't link to a mailing list.
And with a bit of hacking, you could probably knock up a CGI front-end to
a mailing list living somewhere else.

> That's it. I'll try to have the bones of the site, as well as
> instructions for uploading, etc, in a short time. And now that the
> domain microtonal.org is spoken for, we can move it to whatever is the
> best resource for hosting it. I would rather not see this nice bunch of
> musically-oriented humans be scattered to the cyber-winds...

Have you checked the list of hosts-that-might-work-with-mailing-lists that
I posted before?

Graham

Graham,

Very brief reply due to time, but here goes:

{you wrote...}
> > http://www.microtonal.org
>
>Top hole! That wasn't available when I went domain shopping.

All I did was start checking whois, and I was as surprised as anyone. Pretty funny if you go to microtonal.com or microtonalmusic.com/net...

>What service is that, then?

http://www.catalogue.com/

It is hard to believe, but here is the deal: $35 per year gets the domain registered and gives me a free site with no adverts. 20mb of space, 500mb/month traffic. I'm estimating that it will at least get us past the current bind, and that was my main intent - I need a (another) full-time website to host (other than Corporeal Meadows) like a hole in the head! More below...

>On Monday, microtonal.co.uk should be moving to hosting4less. I'll then >have 100MB of space, some of which can be used for file storage.

...and etc. Well, bonus! You've got a big dog there, and I'm sure it can be put to good use. What I would suggest is to let me run with this original option and we'll see if we need to spread out more. I think that, above all else, it should be as close to "one stop shopping" as possible, because the more confusion about where things lie the worse it will be. And again, more below...

>I can definitely get a majordomo mailing list at microtonal.co.uk. They >say very little about the standard mailing list option, but it might have >a web front end. Then again, it might only be a distribution list. I'll >look into this sometime, once the rest of the move is finished and I've >written some nice CGI scripts and maybe even some music.

Do the latter - we have millions of programmers and fewer (by far) microtonal musicians! I know that I can install cgi scripts, but it will just have to wait until the spring. I don't want to start up a new mailing list until/unless we *really* have to. And I have already had an offer, through the Meadows, of someone with a long history in running online forums to host one for me, so if we were to end up going that way, it can be done. I tend to think that most people prefer the mail direction, as it can come to you rather than you going to it.

>Have you checked the list of hosts-that-might-work-with-mailing-lists that >I posted before?

I must be honest: this was almost an impulse move! I have gotten sick of trying to resolve the file problems with Yahoo, and while I didn't want to through lots of cash at the situation I wanted something to happen that wasn't a huge committee-like solution. When I read the reviews of these low (almost free!) cost services, I figured at worst it was a beginning to better days.

But I've been wrong before! :)

Cheers,
Jon

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., "Jonathan M. Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:

/makemicromusic/topicId_1435.html#1444

> Graham,
>
> Very brief reply due to time, but here goes:
>
> {you wrote...}
> > > http://www.microtonal.org
> >
> >Top hole! That wasn't available when I went domain shopping.
>
> All I did was start checking whois, and I was as surprised as
anyone.
> Pretty funny if you go to microtonal.com or
microtonalmusic.com/net...
>

Actually, Johnny Reinhard doesn't care that his domain name
www.microtonal.org has been "appropriated" (appropriately) by Jon
Szanto.

Jon, Johnny wishes you the best with it. (Private e-mail)

He couldn't use it anyway... due to problems with the guy who is
setting up his site.

But it *was* "reserved" for a few years by Johnny...

Just FYI...

Joe Pehrson

Joe,

{you wrote...}
>Actually, Johnny Reinhard doesn't care that his domain name >www.microtonal.org has been "appropriated" (appropriately) by Jon Szanto.

1. I had no idea it had been registered before, especially since there wasn't a site. I simply started doing a search of the global 'whois' database (which is how you find if a name is registered) on the simplest terms - i.e. if you had to type it out, how simple can it be and be relevant.

2. As 1. above states, I didn't appropriate it, it was unused. I simply registered a domain that was open to all, and if I had seen a website using it before I probably would have asked if they meant to keep it active.

>Jon, Johnny wishes you the best with it. (Private e-mail)

Thanks, I'll try to not sully the name. He can always write me, as well.

Thanks for the info, Joe...

Cheers,
Jon