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🔗greg_donald2000@...

11/29/2001 4:53:18 AM

I would like to have your ideas on a very crucial point of science,
which I describe briefly below. I am working on this subject as a

project and will be privileged to hear your interpretations on the
following

questions:

1. The light coming from an object is transformed into electrical
signals by

the cells in the eye and then transmitted to the center of vision in
the

brain. And the electrical signals there are turned into an image. For

example you actually see this message in your brain. Then who is the
one

that sees and perceives the image of this message in the brain? How
do you

define the consciousness that can see this image in the brain without
the

need of an eye?

2. Brain is a piece of flesh composed of lipids, proteins and other
various

molecules. Could the consciousness that sees this image be this piece
of

flesh? Or could the brain cells make up a consciousness that sees
these

electrical signals as a sea view or an e-mail message?

3. No light penetrates the skull, which means the brain is entirely
in

darkness. Then how does such an illuminated, clear image is formed in
this

pitch-dark place? For instance how are the rays of the sun seen over
the

unlit brain cortex?

4. Also no sound enters the brain. This means there is deep muteness
where

the brain exists. However, people listen to all different sounds
inside the

brain. The sound waves are turned into electrical signals inside of
the ear

and then transmitted to the center of hearing. And the consciousness
inside

the brain listens to these for instance as a melody. Then who is it
that

listens to the loud music aired from powerful loudspeakers and how?

5. The image is formed inside a miniature spot in the brain. Then how
is the

three-dimensional image with depth is formed on this diminutive
screen? For

instance when I look at the horizon or the sky, how is such an image
with

vast depth is formed at this tiny spot of center of vision just as
identical

to its original with the same depth and sense of distance? What is it
that

gives me the feeling of distance and space?

6. When a person sees a glass of water, in fact he does not see its
real

form but only a copy of it in his brain. The coldness that he feels
when

touching the glass surface is not the real coldness of the glass but
only a

copy of it. This means nobody is ever able to feel that he touches
the real

glass. Since it is not his fingers that feel the sense of touch, but
merely

the sense of touch in the brain. Should we not in this case conclude
that

people are never able to reach the reality of objects and can never
touch

the reality of a glass? But not every person knows this fact.
Everyone

thinks they touch and see real objects. Is it not strange that people
are

not aware of this and they never think about this?

7. Nothing changes when a person is hit by a bus or comes across a
lion.

Since, just like the image of the bus, the sense of collision or the
fear

while running away from a lion, all form in the brain. When I see a
bus, I

see it at the center of vision inside my brain. If I go and hold the
door of

the bus, I feel the coldness of the metal inside my brain. Then I
cannot

discriminate from this fact what happens when I feel pain if a bus
hits or a

lion bites. Then is it not very illogical when people say 'it shows I
am in

contact with the bus or the lion because I feel pain when the bus
hits or

the lion bites'?

8. We live the entire period of our lives inside our brains. In a
similar

way, we also have dreams in our brain. For instance when we touch a
piece of

ice in our dream, we feel it is wet and cold. Or, when we smell a
rose, we

get the wonderful scent of it. We again sense the feelings of fear,
pain,

anxiety and panic in a similar fashion. Then are the dreams and the
real

life the same in this sense?

9. The person's own body is also included in the images a person see.
So, a

person only sees the copy of his own body. This means every person
all

through his life lives in the cave in his skull where he never knows
what is

outside, including his own body and other objects. Now think over
this

happening once more: Right now are you inside of the room you are
present or

is the room inside of you? Isn't the second alternative the right
answer

scientifically?

10. Let us imagine 5 different people who look at a garden of roses.
Since

every one of these people see the rose garden in his own brain, then
aren't

there 5 different rose gardens in the brains of every one of the 5
people?

Is the color red that each one sees the same with the other's
perception of

red? Would there be any possibility to compare these?

11. We say that the original objects we see the copies of in our
brain exist

outside, but what if nothing exists outside? Because we never have
the

ability to test this or observe this. Then is it not dubious that the

original objects are outside? At least there is a 50-50 percent
possibility.

Then how can we be sure that the original objects are outside? If
there is

no original object outside, then what is the entity that makes the
images

and the senses in our brain?

12. If we are living an illusion that has the possibility of not
having any

reality outside, then we may be existing in a very different place.
For

instance is it not possible for the entire humanity to exist right
over a

piece of crystal? Or is it not possible that the complete history of

humanity has been experienced in a place not bigger than the head of
a pin?

Would there be anything to stop us thinking in such a broad extent?

13. Some people are incredibly afraid when these topics are
discussed? What

do you think the reason for this may be?

Yours sincerely,

Greg

🔗jpehrson@...

11/29/2001 6:58:11 AM

--- In MakeMicroMusic@y..., greg_donald2000@y... wrote:

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> 6. When a person sees a glass of water, in fact he does not see its
> real form but only a copy of it in his brain. The coldness that he
feels when touching the glass surface is not the real coldness of the
glass but only a copy of it. This means nobody is ever able to feel
that he touches the real glass. Since it is not his fingers that feel
the sense of touch, but merely the sense of touch in the brain.
Should we not in this case conclude that people are never able to
reach the reality of objects and can never touch the reality of a
glass? But not every person knows this fact. Everyone thinks they
touch and see real objects. Is it not strange that people are
not aware of this and they never think about this?
>

Ahem... You've touched on one of the most fundamental "philosophical"
questions existing in the entire field of philosophy. Philosophers
have debated this question since practically the beginning of
time... from Plato onward, anyway.

This is, however, essentially a *practical* music forum, though, so
your thoughts would be much better placed on a forum
called "metatuning..."

/metatuning/messages

You should repost this discussion over there. I can think of a few
people who might be interested in it... but not on *this* particular
forum.

Thanks!

Joseph Pehrson