Re: one-footed significant other

> I've already discovered one interesting fact. The whole Sethares thing
> started because I was trying to duplicate the One-Footed Bride. But when I
> plotted the curve, I found consonances -- sharp valleys -- only at the
> following intervals: 1/1, 7/6, 6/5, 5/4, 4/3, 7/5, 3/2, 5/3, 7/4 and of
> course 2/1. What is interesting is that the One-Footed Bride includes all of
> these as consonances, but it *also* includes their *complements*: 12/7, 8/5,
> 10/7 and 8/7 in addition to the ones listed. These last four *don't* show as
> consonances on the Sethares curve. And there's nary a 9 or 11 to be found
> amongst the Sethares consonances. So I am dying to hear what the other
> Partch intervals sound like!

Thank goodness all the lists are scattered. I take it you've looked at
the information on the harmonic entropy list where developing and
discussing those curves is the raison d^etre? Of course, it may have
merged with the tuning-math list... In either case, there may
be some computationally oriented folks at those places who may provide
additional help and aren't on this list.

Bob Valentine

On Sun, 17 Jun 2001, Robert C Valentine wrote:

> Thank goodness all the lists are scattered.

Should there be a smiley here? I'm gonna supply one :-).

> I take it you've looked at
> the information on the harmonic entropy list where developing and
> discussing those curves is the raison d^etre?

Sethares' curves vs. the harmonic entropy curve is a contentious issue on some
lists and I have no intention of getting involved in the fray. I have the Matlab
code for HE and at some point, as a means of understanding it, will translate
it into Derive and compare it on a mathematical basis with the Sethares curve
and possibly, if I can find some musically naive listeners, compare intervals
where one predicts consonance and the other does not, if such consonances in
fact exist. For now, the Sethares measure is one I understand and can easily
implement in Derive and SAOL, and one which will work for any timbre and
intervals I can throw at it.

> Of course, it may have
> merged with the tuning-math list...

'Nutha smiley :-). Let's just say that tuning folk seem to be passionate about
a lot of things. My original question was whether what I call the "Partch
System" -- not just the 43-degree scale but the whole set of concepts laid out
in _Genesis of a Music_ had been mechanized in any way. Several folks pointed me
to Prent Rodgers, who indeed has done quite a bit of work in this area.
However, his paths and mine diverge in a number of areas, and his code, though
posted on his web site, is not something easily maintainable. My code will be
more easily maintainable, I hope -- certainly it will be for me. :-) All I
was really interested in was whether tools were available or whether I needed
to build them.

> In either case, there may
> be some computationally oriented folks at those places who may provide
> additional help and aren't on this list.

I'm amazingly self-sufficient in mathematics, statistics and scientific
computing. :-) If a tool had existed that was *easily* adapted to my purposes,
I would have jumped on it. It doesn't, so I will build it, and if there is a
market for it, I will sell it at a reasonable price, on the order of what
Robert Walker charges for Fractal Tune Smithy, $20US. If there's no market,
I'll just give it away.

One more note: I've said this repeatedly on the main tuning list and I'll say
it here now. My own personal opinion is that there are too many specialized
lists on this subject -- microtonality -- and that I believe every effort
should be made to keep the wars and such under control on the *main* list,
rather than spinning off a new list every time two people disagree about
something and get a little passionate about it. If that means a moderator has
to *temporarily* ban someone who is being an asshole, fine, but permanent bans,
separate lists for arguments, games of mathematicians vs. composers, etc., are
things that discourage me and things I'd like to discourage whenever possible.

I could have just started my own list, dedicated to the Partch system of
Monophony, and invited folks from all the lists to join. I don't see the point
in that; if someone wants to do it, I'll join and, if it's not active enough
for me, I'll drop out.
--
znmeb@... (M. Edward Borasky) http://www.aracnet.com/~znmeb

I support the right to keep and arm bears.

--- In crazy_music@y..., "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@a...> wrote:

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>
> I'm amazingly self-sufficient in mathematics, statistics and
scientific computing. :-) If a tool had existed that was *easily*
adapted to my purposes, I would have jumped on it. It doesn't, so I
will build it, and if there is a market for it, I will sell it at a
reasonable price, on the order of what Robert Walker charges for
Fractal Tune Smithy, $20US. If there's no market, I'll just give it
away.
>

I *believe* Prent Rodgers is the only person doing significant work
in this area, but I think Robert Walker's _Fractal Tune Smithy_ can
do some stuff with the Partch concepts too (not certain, though...)

Other than that, I don't believe anything exists and I'm pretty
certain that if none of the people on the Tuning List have heard of
anything else, there probably ISN'T anything else... since many
members, of course, are computer savvy and also pretty omivorous
about finding tuning stuff that's "out there..."

> One more note: I've said this repeatedly on the main tuning list
and I'll say it here now. My own personal opinion is that there are
too many specialized lists on this subject -- microtonality

Yes... so PLEASE don't start ANOTHER one :). In fact, I'm going to
put a "placemarker" on the main list about your interesting work over
here so that people find out about it...

Between *this* list and, MAYBE, the Tuning-Math list for the more
technical things... there should be no reason to post to anything
else... (It sounds, though, that you really don't need much techical
debate for what you are doing, and would rather work with it
yourself...)

The Prent Rodgers MAIN page, with the Java applets is fun, and thank
you for getting me involved in that, albeit in a "round about" way!

I hadn't seen that site before...

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