Re: [tuning] Re: Musings on Vocal Tunings

Polychroni!
Within many cultures, intervals are sung that are not simple ratios. Southeast asia is a good example. A person growing up in the environment of a particular culture is the same as "extensive training". It is impossible to guess what someone is singing by "reason". By the way Doug Leedy I understand sings 12/11 and 13/12 unaccompanied.

Polychroni wrote:

> On 2 May 01, at "Paul Erlich" <PERLICH@ACADIAN-ASSET.COM> wrote:
>
> > >Recall, that our chanter, if chanting without the instrumental
> > >accompaniment could not sing Al Sibn's intervals to begin with--being
> > >unable to accurately judge the size of the 88/81 step. He might sing,
> > >instead, 9/8, 12/11, 13/12 (cumm=9/8, 27/22, 117/88 = 204c, 355c,
> > >493c). This would be heard by him and his audience as 9/8, 11/9, 4/3).
> > > So this too, is equivalent.
> >
> > Unless he underwent extensive training with an instrument, I doubt
> > our chanter could or would accurately produce 12/11 or 13/12 steps
> > unaccompanied.
>
> Does this not convey the idea that in vocal progession up the diatonic scale, the vocalist could only sing the tetrachordal intervals of Ptolemaic syntonon 9/8, 10/9, 16/15? What about the distance from 316c to 386c for the 3rd, is it then unreasonable for the chanter to find a 'space' to hit somewhere in here? Otherwise, this would imply that *all* vocal diatonic music is confined to this intonation of the tetrachord. If one listens to Middle Eastern chant, it's simply not so. So then...?
>
> Polychroni

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I wrote,

>> Unless he underwent extensive training with an instrument, I doubt

>> our chanter could or would accurately produce 12/11 or 13/12 steps

>> unaccompanied.

Polychroni wrote,

>Does this not convey the idea that in vocal progession up the diatonic
scale, the vocalist could only sing the >tetrachordal intervals of Ptolemaic
syntonon 9/8, 10/9, 16/15?

I don't see how that would be any easier.

>What about the distance from 316c to 386c for the 3rd, is it then
unreasonable for the chanter to find a 'space' >to hit somewhere in here?

Of course not.