Re: [tuning] re: that 16-note-per-octave harmonic system book

Mark C. Billington here. I don't understand this new group I just entered,
and I don't understand your response, but I do know I've worked 18 years to
present my case and until anybody views my evidence, their prejudices will
only be that to me. I respect well thought out criticism.
Time unfolds many things

-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Williams <jaywill@utah-inter.net>
To: tuning@egroups.com <tuning@egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, April 20, 2000 8:21 PM
Subject: [tuning] re: that 16-note-per-octave harmonic system book

>Jay here,
>Well yah, I trashed that blurb but then, contrary to John Link's sage
>counsel, plowed through some of that attached file. Kinda brings to mind a
>type of call we'd often get at the company I worked for. We were in the
>business of designing and constructing adaptive aids for blind folks using,
>whenever possible, off-the-shelf stuff so the stuff could be duplicated
>without aid of manufacturies.
>This guy calls us up and says he's designed a reading system for the blind
>that's a whole lot easier than Braille cuz it uses only eight dots. We
asked
>him how his system would be easier since Braille used only six dots. He
said
>we were wrong, Braille used 12 dots. We informed him that the three of us
>tekkies in the lab all read Braille and except for the 8-dot format used
>when control characters had to be indicated, we could only count six dots
in
>a Braille cell. This went on for some time, the only conclusion was that
>each side accused the other of not doing his homework.
>Not quite sure why that post brought that to my tilted brain, but it did.
>Then again...
>But while I'm here I'll say my temporary farewell. We're moving to Port
>Angeles, Washington in a week so I'll hafta suffer withdrawal for a week or
>three.
>Glad I found this list. It's great to be conversing with a buncha bright
>people. Thanks so much for all the info so far and the sheer liveliness of
>the exchanges.
>I'll still be around til probably Wednesday.
>Okay, end of frivolity. Back to serious stuff.
>
>
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Mark,
Your predjudices are bleeding through a bit to me. You've worked 18 years on what? figuring out
what members of this list already know? I am not following what you are after except an
eventual market for your book. Not that that is bad but please don't assume that we need to be
instructed.
This list i thought was for sharing ideas, and what you have chosen to show is basic knowledge~
you are not in a vacuum
18 years = better does not work for me
i need feelings to evoke respect n
i need something more from you...
Pagano

mark c wrote:

> Mark C. Billington here. I don't understand this new group I just entered,
> and I don't understand your response, but I do know I've worked 18 years to
> present my case and until anybody views my evidence, their prejudices will
> only be that to me. I respect well thought out criticism.
> Time unfolds many things
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Williams <jaywill@utah-inter.net>
> To: tuning@egroups.com <tuning@egroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, April 20, 2000 8:21 PM
> Subject: [tuning] re: that 16-note-per-octave harmonic system book
>
> >Jay here,
> >Well yah, I trashed that blurb but then, contrary to John Link's sage
> >counsel, plowed through some of that attached file. Kinda brings to mind a
> >type of call we'd often get at the company I worked for. We were in the
> >business of designing and constructing adaptive aids for blind folks using,
> >whenever possible, off-the-shelf stuff so the stuff could be duplicated
> >without aid of manufacturies.
> >This guy calls us up and says he's designed a reading system for the blind
> >that's a whole lot easier than Braille cuz it uses only eight dots. We
> asked
> >him how his system would be easier since Braille used only six dots. He
> said
> >we were wrong, Braille used 12 dots. We informed him that the three of us
> >tekkies in the lab all read Braille and except for the 8-dot format used
> >when control characters had to be indicated, we could only count six dots
> in
> >a Braille cell. This went on for some time, the only conclusion was that
> >each side accused the other of not doing his homework.
> >Not quite sure why that post brought that to my tilted brain, but it did.
> >Then again...
> >But while I'm here I'll say my temporary farewell. We're moving to Port
> >Angeles, Washington in a week so I'll hafta suffer withdrawal for a week or
> >three.
> >Glad I found this list. It's great to be conversing with a buncha bright
> >people. Thanks so much for all the info so far and the sheer liveliness of
> >the exchanges.
> >I'll still be around til probably Wednesday.
> >Okay, end of frivolity. Back to serious stuff.
> >
> >
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I am somewhat of a fanatic, though I work on making available and not
imposing. Since I perceive harmony in everything except society made music
(including just tuning) I guess I am on a crusade. I'm sorry if you already
know all this and I have imposed my identical beliefs. Thus I assume you
enjoy your harmonic instruments.

-----Original Message-----
From: ppagano@bellsouth.net <ppagano@bellsouth.net>
To: tuning@egroups.com <tuning@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, April 21, 2000 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: [tuning] re: that 16-note-per-octave harmonic system book

>Mark,
>Your predjudices are bleeding through a bit to me. You've worked 18 years
on what? figuring out
>what members of this list already know? I am not following what you are
after except an
>eventual market for your book. Not that that is bad but please don't assume
that we need to be
>instructed.
>This list i thought was for sharing ideas, and what you have chosen to show
is basic knowledge~
>you are not in a vacuum
>18 years = better does not work for me
>i need feelings to evoke respect n
>i need something more from you...
>Pagano
>
>mark c wrote:
>
>> Mark C. Billington here. I don't understand this new group I just
entered,
>> and I don't understand your response, but I do know I've worked 18 years
to
>> present my case and until anybody views my evidence, their prejudices
will
>> only be that to me. I respect well thought out criticism.
>> Time unfolds many things
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jay Williams <jaywill@utah-inter.net>
>> To: tuning@egroups.com <tuning@egroups.com>
>> Date: Thursday, April 20, 2000 8:21 PM
>> Subject: [tuning] re: that 16-note-per-octave harmonic system book
>>
>> >Jay here,
>> >Well yah, I trashed that blurb but then, contrary to John Link's sage
>> >counsel, plowed through some of that attached file. Kinda brings to mind
a
>> >type of call we'd often get at the company I worked for. We were in the
>> >business of designing and constructing adaptive aids for blind folks
using,
>> >whenever possible, off-the-shelf stuff so the stuff could be duplicated
>> >without aid of manufacturies.
>> >This guy calls us up and says he's designed a reading system for the
blind
>> >that's a whole lot easier than Braille cuz it uses only eight dots. We
>> asked
>> >him how his system would be easier since Braille used only six dots. He
>> said
>> >we were wrong, Braille used 12 dots. We informed him that the three of
us
>> >tekkies in the lab all read Braille and except for the 8-dot format used
>> >when control characters had to be indicated, we could only count six
dots
>> in
>> >a Braille cell. This went on for some time, the only conclusion was that
>> >each side accused the other of not doing his homework.
>> >Not quite sure why that post brought that to my tilted brain, but it
did.
>> >Then again...
>> >But while I'm here I'll say my temporary farewell. We're moving to Port
>> >Angeles, Washington in a week so I'll hafta suffer withdrawal for a week
or
>> >three.
>> >Glad I found this list. It's great to be conversing with a buncha bright
>> >people. Thanks so much for all the info so far and the sheer liveliness
of
>> >the exchanges.
>> >I'll still be around til probably Wednesday.
>> >Okay, end of frivolity. Back to serious stuff.
>> >
>> >
>> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> >Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already
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Mark-

Every possible just interval can be described using the harmonic series: 5/4
is the interval between the fifth and fourth harmonic, etc. If you play
music limited to harmonics of the fundamental, you are mearly using a subset
of possible just intervals: 1/1,2/1,3/1,4/1,5/1, etc.

So, do you have any web-available mp3s or RA files of this "one true music"
you play? Sounds speak louder than words.

Dante

----- Original Message -----
From: mark c <ahsom@rockisland.com>
To: <tuning@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [tuning] re: that 16-note-per-octave harmonic system book

> I am somewhat of a fanatic, though I work on making available and not
> imposing. Since I perceive harmony in everything except society made music
> (including just tuning) I guess I am on a crusade. I'm sorry if you
already
> know all this and I have imposed my identical beliefs. Thus I assume you
> enjoy your harmonic instruments.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ppagano@bellsouth.net <ppagano@bellsouth.net>
> To: tuning@egroups.com <tuning@egroups.com>
> Date: Friday, April 21, 2000 6:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [tuning] re: that 16-note-per-octave harmonic system book
>
>
> >Mark,
> >Your predjudices are bleeding through a bit to me. You've worked 18 years
> on what? figuring out
> >what members of this list already know? I am not following what you are
> after except an
> >eventual market for your book. Not that that is bad but please don't
assume
> that we need to be
> >instructed.
> >This list i thought was for sharing ideas, and what you have chosen to
show
> is basic knowledge~
> >you are not in a vacuum
> >18 years = better does not work for me
> >i need feelings to evoke respect n
> >i need something more from you...
> >Pagano
> >
> >mark c wrote:
> >
> >> Mark C. Billington here. I don't understand this new group I just
> entered,
> >> and I don't understand your response, but I do know I've worked 18
years
> to
> >> present my case and until anybody views my evidence, their prejudices
> will
> >> only be that to me. I respect well thought out criticism.
> >> Time unfolds many things
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jay Williams <jaywill@utah-inter.net>
> >> To: tuning@egroups.com <tuning@egroups.com>
> >> Date: Thursday, April 20, 2000 8:21 PM
> >> Subject: [tuning] re: that 16-note-per-octave harmonic system book
> >>
> >> >Jay here,
> >> >Well yah, I trashed that blurb but then, contrary to John Link's sage
> >> >counsel, plowed through some of that attached file. Kinda brings to
mind
> a
> >> >type of call we'd often get at the company I worked for. We were in
the
> >> >business of designing and constructing adaptive aids for blind folks
> using,
> >> >whenever possible, off-the-shelf stuff so the stuff could be
duplicated
> >> >without aid of manufacturies.
> >> >This guy calls us up and says he's designed a reading system for the
> blind
> >> >that's a whole lot easier than Braille cuz it uses only eight dots. We
> >> asked
> >> >him how his system would be easier since Braille used only six dots.
He
> >> said
> >> >we were wrong, Braille used 12 dots. We informed him that the three of
> us
> >> >tekkies in the lab all read Braille and except for the 8-dot format
used
> >> >when control characters had to be indicated, we could only count six
> dots
> >> in
> >> >a Braille cell. This went on for some time, the only conclusion was
that
> >> >each side accused the other of not doing his homework.
> >> >Not quite sure why that post brought that to my tilted brain, but it
> did.
> >> >Then again...
> >> >But while I'm here I'll say my temporary farewell. We're moving to
Port
> >> >Angeles, Washington in a week so I'll hafta suffer withdrawal for a
week
> or
> >> >three.
> >> >Glad I found this list. It's great to be conversing with a buncha
bright
> >> >people. Thanks so much for all the info so far and the sheer
liveliness
> of
> >> >the exchanges.
> >> >I'll still be around til probably Wednesday.
> >> >Okay, end of frivolity. Back to serious stuff.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget.
> >> >Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already
> >> >registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends here:
> >> >http://click.egroups.com/1/2886/1/_/239029/_/956287287/
> >>
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True, the proof is in the pudding and time for proper recording is not
yet.mcb (still waiting)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rosati <dante@pop.interport.net>
To: tuning@egroups.com <tuning@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, April 21, 2000 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [tuning] re: that 16-note-per-octave harmonic system book

>Mark-
>
>Every possible just interval can be described using the harmonic series:
5/4
>is the interval between the fifth and fourth harmonic, etc. If you play
>music limited to harmonics of the fundamental, you are mearly using a
subset
>of possible just intervals: 1/1,2/1,3/1,4/1,5/1, etc.
>
>So, do you have any web-available mp3s or RA files of this "one true music"
>you play? Sounds speak louder than words.
>
>Dante
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: mark c <ahsom@rockisland.com>
>To: <tuning@egroups.com>
>Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 1:37 PM
>Subject: Re: [tuning] re: that 16-note-per-octave harmonic system book
>
>
>> I am somewhat of a fanatic, though I work on making available and not
>> imposing. Since I perceive harmony in everything except society made
music
>> (including just tuning) I guess I am on a crusade. I'm sorry if you
>already
>> know all this and I have imposed my identical beliefs. Thus I assume you
>> enjoy your harmonic instruments.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ppagano@bellsouth.net <ppagano@bellsouth.net>
>> To: tuning@egroups.com <tuning@egroups.com>
>> Date: Friday, April 21, 2000 6:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [tuning] re: that 16-note-per-octave harmonic system book
>>
>>
>> >Mark,
>> >Your predjudices are bleeding through a bit to me. You've worked 18
years
>> on what? figuring out
>> >what members of this list already know? I am not following what you are
>> after except an
>> >eventual market for your book. Not that that is bad but please don't
>assume
>> that we need to be
>> >instructed.
>> >This list i thought was for sharing ideas, and what you have chosen to
>show
>> is basic knowledge~
>> >you are not in a vacuum
>> >18 years = better does not work for me
>> >i need feelings to evoke respect n
>> >i need something more from you...
>> >Pagano
>> >
>> >mark c wrote:
>> >
>> >> Mark C. Billington here. I don't understand this new group I just
>> entered,
>> >> and I don't understand your response, but I do know I've worked 18
>years
>> to
>> >> present my case and until anybody views my evidence, their prejudices
>> will
>> >> only be that to me. I respect well thought out criticism.
>> >> Time unfolds many things
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Jay Williams <jaywill@utah-inter.net>
>> >> To: tuning@egroups.com <tuning@egroups.com>
>> >> Date: Thursday, April 20, 2000 8:21 PM
>> >> Subject: [tuning] re: that 16-note-per-octave harmonic system book
>> >>
>> >> >Jay here,
>> >> >Well yah, I trashed that blurb but then, contrary to John Link's sage
>> >> >counsel, plowed through some of that attached file. Kinda brings to
>mind
>> a
>> >> >type of call we'd often get at the company I worked for. We were in
>the
>> >> >business of designing and constructing adaptive aids for blind folks
>> using,
>> >> >whenever possible, off-the-shelf stuff so the stuff could be
>duplicated
>> >> >without aid of manufacturies.
>> >> >This guy calls us up and says he's designed a reading system for the
>> blind
>> >> >that's a whole lot easier than Braille cuz it uses only eight dots.
We
>> >> asked
>> >> >him how his system would be easier since Braille used only six dots.
>He
>> >> said
>> >> >we were wrong, Braille used 12 dots. We informed him that the three
of
>> us
>> >> >tekkies in the lab all read Braille and except for the 8-dot format
>used
>> >> >when control characters had to be indicated, we could only count six
>> dots
>> >> in
>> >> >a Braille cell. This went on for some time, the only conclusion was
>that
>> >> >each side accused the other of not doing his homework.
>> >> >Not quite sure why that post brought that to my tilted brain, but it
>> did.
>> >> >Then again...
>> >> >But while I'm here I'll say my temporary farewell. We're moving to
>Port
>> >> >Angeles, Washington in a week so I'll hafta suffer withdrawal for a
>week
>> or
>> >> >three.
>> >> >Glad I found this list. It's great to be conversing with a buncha
>bright
>> >> >people. Thanks so much for all the info so far and the sheer
>liveliness
>> of
>> >> >the exchanges.
>> >> >I'll still be around til probably Wednesday.
>> >> >Okay, end of frivolity. Back to serious stuff.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget.
>> >> >Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already
>> >> >registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends here:
>> >> >http://click.egroups.com/1/2886/1/_/239029/_/956287287/
>> >>
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