Re: Test again...

Yes, instantly. Replies to earlier threads disappear, so far.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "cameron" <misterbobro@...> wrote:
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> once again, pertinent reply fails to appear. will "test" make it through?
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--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "cameron" <misterbobro@...> wrote:
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> Yes, instantly. Replies to earlier threads disappear, so far.

They'll probably show up eventually. That's the way Yahoo works.

Hey Gene, while we're at it: can you tell me which qualities 400 cents and 5:4 share?

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "cameron" <misterbobro@...> wrote:
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> Hopefully, thanks.
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> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "cameron" <misterbobro@> wrote:
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> > > Yes, instantly. Replies to earlier threads disappear, so far.
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> > They'll probably show up eventually. That's the way Yahoo works.
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--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "cameron" <misterbobro@...> wrote:
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> Hey Gene, while we're at it: can you tell me which qualities 400 cents and 5:4 share?

You can make triads out of them.

:-)

Bravo, I knew you'd come up with an honest answer. It could not be otherwise, for your microtemperament compositions could not exist if you did not understand what I'm driving at here.

We can make triads, "rooted" triads at that, with 6/5, and, as Chris pointed out, pretty much any damn interval within a large zone. My experience puts that zone about 13/11 to 14/11, any sense of rootedness getting very contextual at about 7/6 to 9/7, then off into inharmonicity/xentonality/Corintian Leather or Whatever from there.

So, straight answer. But doesn't save us from things like claiming that the minor third is an approximation of 5:4. Which sounds kooky, but such bogosity is almost straight-out stated in 19th Century literature, I've got some stuff Xeroxed out of the Grazer Musikhochschule library that makes these kinds of claims, complete with corrections to Bach's mistakes! :-)

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@...> wrote:
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> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "cameron" <misterbobro@> wrote:
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> > Hey Gene, while we're at it: can you tell me which qualities 400 cents and 5:4 share?
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> You can make triads out of them.
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>"We can make triads, "rooted" triads at that, with 6/5, and, as Chris pointed
>out, pretty much any damn interval within a large zone. My experience puts that
>zone about 13/11 to 14/11, any sense of rootedness getting very contextual at
>about 7/6 to 9/7, then off into inharmonicity/xentonality/Corintian Leather or
>Whatever from there."
Makes sense. But 4/3 also appears to work and is not within that range...and
is by no means exclusively xenharmonic (since it's part of the standard major
triad!).

Michael, I suggest you buy, or borrow from you library, this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Tonal-Harmony-Stefan-Kostka/dp/0072852607

and go through it.
It's an upstanding mainstream text, just solid common practice stuff.

Your quite right that it's even plausible to hear C as root in a C-F-G sonority, that is, a 4:3 within a 3:2, but that's not a standard major triad at all. 4:3 appears in major triad only when the triad is in inversion, and we've been limiting the discussion to the "root position" triad (with some mention of the do-mi diad).

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Michael <djtrancendance@...> wrote:
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> >"We can make triads, "rooted" triads at that, with 6/5, and, as Chris pointed
> >out, pretty much any damn interval within a large zone. My experience puts that
> >zone about 13/11 to 14/11, any sense of rootedness getting very contextual at
> >about 7/6 to 9/7, then off into inharmonicity/xentonality/Corintian Leather or
> >Whatever from there."
> Makes sense. But 4/3 also appears to work and is not within that range...and
> is by no means exclusively xenharmonic (since it's part of the standard major
> triad!).
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Cameron wrote:

> Yes, instantly. Replies to earlier threads disappear, so far.

It may be Yahoo's spam filter, which I believe progressively
delays posts the more spammy it considers them.

Often times, it is triggered by e-mail addresses or URLs at
domains known for sending spam. Often times, domains from
Eastern Europe etc. have such a reputation.

And I'm probably tricking myself, but I've developed the
habit of replacing the "in tuning so-and-so wrote" with
custom text (e.g. "Cameron wrote:" above). This seems to
make my posts appear sooner, even though Yahoo generates
this text themselves. I dunno though, probably superstition
on my part.

-Carl

>"Michael, I suggest you buy, or borrow from you library, this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Tonal-Harmony-Stefan-Kostka/dp/0072852607
and go through it.
It's an upstanding mainstream text, just solid common practice stuff."

I'll try and keep this short as I realize that was a mis-post by myself
before.
My bad, slip of the mind...I though of 4/3 as E and not F. I know 6/5 is
minor (a third) and 4/3 is "suspended" (a forth) in triads, my mind just
slipped.