Bohlen Pierce rock piece (Roland GR-20 & Fractal Tune Smithy & Audacity)

Bohlen - Pierce tuning rock piece.

rhythm, lead, and bass guitar, all Roland GR-20 voices relay re-tuned by fractal tune smithy and multi-tracked in audacity.

(drums are missing...)

A proof of concept more than anything else.

Download

http://notonlymusic.com/board/download/file.php?id=414

Online play

http://notonlymusic.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=344&p=2296#p2296

Heeey, that's pretty sweet! Love to hear it with drums! Starting to think BP is a great prog tuning.

-Igs

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "christopherv" <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> Bohlen - Pierce tuning rock piece.
>
> rhythm, lead, and bass guitar, all Roland GR-20 voices relay re-tuned by fractal tune smithy and multi-tracked in audacity.
>
> (drums are missing...)
>
> A proof of concept more than anything else.
>
>
> Download
>
> http://notonlymusic.com/board/download/file.php?id=414
>
> Online play
>
> http://notonlymusic.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=344&p=2296#p2296
>

Funny, the composition in this piece (basic melodic progression, counterpoint, arrangement, and such) sounds good but the tuning IMVHO doesn't.
Maybe Igliashon can prove my ears wrong...but so far I've listened to several BP pieces, all by leading composers and many aimed at being "pop"/"easy to listen to" and ones with suitable odd-timbre instruments like flutes and clarinets. And not one has clicked for me and they seem to vary randomly, rather than control-ably, between consonance and dissonance.
My g/f said "this sounds like something you'd slit your wrist to"...and she actually likes several non-12TET-ish sounding micro-tonal pieces. Nothing against Chris but against the BP tuning: I still have yet to see the point of it.

Please tell your girlfriend that I think that would be a horrific way to go! Kenny G would make for a much smoother transition to the other side.

Mike. Every chord is the same. It is a BP power chord if you will. Slight, and I do mean slight tuning changes due to the JI implementation of BP here but the same chord. .

Chris
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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael <djtrancendance@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:34:55
To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [tuning] Re: Bohlen Pierce rock piece (Roland GR-20 & Fractal Tune Smithy & Audacity)

Funny, the composition in this piece (basic melodic progression, counterpoint, arrangement, and such) sounds good but the tuning IMVHO doesn't.
Maybe Igliashon can prove my ears wrong...but so far I've listened to several BP pieces, all by leading composers and many aimed at being "pop"/"easy to listen to" and ones with suitable odd-timbre instruments like flutes and clarinets. And not one has clicked for me and they seem to vary randomly, rather than control-ably, between consonance and dissonance.
My g/f said "this sounds like something you'd slit your wrist to"...and she actually likes several non-12TET-ish sounding micro-tonal pieces. Nothing against Chris but against the BP tuning: I still have yet to see the point of it.

>"Please tell your girlfriend that I think that would be a horrific way
to go! Kenny G would make for a much smoother transition to the other
side."
Hillarious! And I agree...Kenny G is about as boring as you can get.

>"Mike. Every chord is the same. It is a BP power chord if you will.
Slight, and I do mean slight tuning changes due to the JI
implementation of BP here but the same chord. ."
Odd...for example at 1:48 it sounds quite resolved to me and at 1:53 it just suddenly jumps out and bites with sudden sharp dissonance without warning. Same goes where around 0:40-0:41 it sounds resolved and at 0:44 it bites and at 0:46 it randomly goes back to quite resolved.
I can believe you there are "transposed" power chords (at least in the background) but some of the combination of those and the lead lines seems to make the songs consonance/dissonance contrasts "bump" rather than flow to my ears.

Again not saying it's you...I've tried to tame BP myself and looked at many other attempts...just haven't found anything that works beyond the field of math and into that of emotion.

Well, you can't judge a chord played by one instrument by including
every other instrument sounding. The chord progression I worked out a
bit and the bass a bit less, and the wrist slitting lead was
improvisation #2 so there are notes I'd take back. I might be able to
post just the chord progression - though I see no use since you are
dead against BP.

So.. *my* point is the chords are good. BP could do a passable rock
song IMHO. And to be honest I like Elaine's BP work. Some of the video
pieces from the conference end up being really good in my opinion
after an occasional slow start.

Chris

>
> >"Mike. Every chord is the same. It is a BP power chord if you will. Slight, and I do mean slight tuning changes due to the JI implementation of BP here but the same chord. ."
>   Odd...for example at 1:48 it sounds quite resolved to me and at 1:53 it just suddenly jumps out and bites with sudden sharp dissonance without warning.  Same goes where around 0:40-0:41 it sounds resolved and at 0:44 it bites and at 0:46 it randomly goes back to quite resolved.
>   I can believe you there are "transposed" power chords (at least in the background) but some of the combination of those and the lead lines seems to make the songs consonance/dissonance contrasts "bump" rather than flow to my ears.
>
>   Again not saying it's you...I've tried to tame BP myself and looked at many other attempts...just haven't found anything that works beyond the field of math and into that of emotion.

>"I might be able to post just the chord progression - though I see no use since you are
dead against BP."
Actually, I'd appreciate that. I'm not dead-against BP...in fact I REALLY want to see it work because, in theory at least, it should be able to be the "odd harmonic equivalent" of what 12TET is to even harmonic instruments. Plus, if it, to my ears, managed to do what people claimed it did, it could be a formidable "weapons" in helping popularize micro-tonal music.

Ok I'll see if I have it. I should. Time for bed. I have a few more tunings from this AM for the survey. Some I'm pretty happy with but we'll see if I feel the same after sleep

C
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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael <djtrancendance@...>
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:04:44
To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [tuning] Re: Bohlen Pierce rock piece (Roland GR-20 & Fractal Tune Smithy & Audacity)

>"I might be able to post just the chord progression - though I see no use since you are
dead against BP."
Actually, I'd appreciate that. I'm not dead-against BP...in fact I REALLY want to see it work because, in theory at least, it should be able to be the "odd harmonic equivalent" of what 12TET is to even harmonic instruments. Plus, if it, to my ears, managed to do what people claimed it did, it could be a formidable "weapons" in helping popularize micro-tonal music.

Ok

Here is a 45 second portion of the rhythm guitar track - the chords
are Bohlen-Pierce "power" chords in a sense. In other words I use the
same fret board "shape" and move that as a colored melodic unit ala
Debussy. (Which is of course the typical rock music treatment)

Download it here:

http://notonlymusic.com/board/download/file.php?id=419

Listen on line here

http://notonlymusic.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=344&p=2302#p2302

Chris

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Michael <djtrancendance@...> wrote:
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>
>
> >"I might be able to post just the chord progression - though I see no use since you are
> dead against BP."
>   Actually, I'd appreciate that.  I'm not dead-against BP...in fact I REALLY want to see it work because, in theory at least, it should be able to be the "odd harmonic equivalent" of what 12TET is to even harmonic instruments.  Plus, if it, to my ears, managed to do what people claimed it did, it could be a formidable "weapons" in helping popularize micro-tonal music.