Wikipedia madness

I see Paul Erlich has his own article now. Go Paul! The reason I was checking is that I was told I've been demoted from a music theorist to a mere mathematician by Wikipedia, by the usual gang of idiots. So now Paul is a music theorist and I'm not. But there is an amusing discussion on the talk page about whether I might sue Wikipedia if someone mentioned I used to be a well-known Usenet "character".

The very nice article on Erv Wilson is still there. No articles for George Secor, Graham Breed, Dave Keenan, or Margo Schulter, nor for that matter for a lot of academic theorists.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@...> wrote:
>
> I see Paul Erlich has his own article now. Go Paul! The reason I was checking is that I was told I've been demoted from a music theorist to a mere mathematician by Wikipedia, by the usual gang of idiots. So now Paul is a music theorist and I'm not.

I moved a reverted copy to the page someone put up on the Xenwiki which formerly linked to the Wikipedia entry on me, and dug up the old Joe Monzo entry which the deletionist vandals had removed completely and put it on the Xenwiki also. I formerly rescued the old page on 88edo. Does anyone know of other old Wikipedia articles which need rescuing?

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@...> wrote:
> Does anyone know of other old Wikipedia articles which need rescuing?
>

I just found this wonderful thing called the Deletionpedia, and there seems to be relevant stuff on it.

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 5:45 PM, genewardsmith
<genewardsmith@...> wrote:
>
> I moved a reverted copy to the page someone put up on the Xenwiki which formerly linked to the Wikipedia entry on me, and dug up the old Joe Monzo entry which the deletionist vandals had removed completely and put it on the Xenwiki also. I formerly rescued the old page on 88edo. Does anyone know of other old Wikipedia articles which need rescuing?

Why is there a group of people bent on removing microtonal theorists
from wikipedia?

-Mike

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:
> Why is there a group of people bent on removing microtonal theorists
> from wikipedia?

They ran out of accordion players?

(Don't feed me straight lines like that!) ;)

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:

> Why is there a group of people bent on removing microtonal theorists
> from wikipedia?

Lack of notability. But that judgment is being made by people who don't know anything about the new regular paradigm theory and might not regard it as important anyway, on the basis of requiring citations. Since the theory was largely developed here on Yahoo, it is regarded as suspect and lacking in any citations or reasons for thinking it important. In fact Wikipedia does have articles on a few of the new temperaments, which might be inconsistency or might be because the deletionists haven't gotten their act together and deleted those too.

http://www.box.net/shared/m37jhti1og

file name: fam res 6.309

I've gotten about 7 minutes in on my first substantial piece using Logic Pro 8.

Working title: Family Resemblance

(Other possible titles--At Blackest Night or Walking Man)

It's here in Mp3 format as well as .aif.

It's only microtonal to the extent that the whole tuning base is shifted up 51 cents from A440, so that
a Bb will be in tune with a 60-cycle hum.

Walking around Boston at night, as I was doing for a while, I was very aware of that hum.

I based the tempo--here a steady 110bpm--on my walking pace. (I walk sort of fast.)

It's my usual inscrutable combination of deadly serious and whimsical.

A friend reads a poem written by another friend, also my kid is heard doing some spontaneous beat-box stuff--so it's sort of an online collaboration.

Hope someone enjoys it. I've probably lost perspective, having worked on it the last few days.

Logic Pro 8 has been difficult for me to learn, but I'm getting the hang of it, after much cursing.

One thing I really like is that you can record any change in any parameter and sequence it.

Lemme know if any of it sounds good to ya.

Caleb

After all the work I did messing with the Infinity and eventually running into Mohajira MOS scale, I figured it was worth looking back at the Ptolemy Homalon scale.

Two things bugged me originally about that scale
A) The fact it include the ratio 11/8...and the 2/1 octave over 11/8 forms a very harsh sounding 16/11.
B) The fact the 5/3 ratio and the 9/8 ratio on the next octave form a 1.35....and an octave over that forms a very harsh 40/27 "wolf" fifth.

In experimenting with other scales, I learned 13/9 (1.444) and 22/15 work fairly well as "alternative 5ths". So I tried to figure out a hack...a way to enlarge the 1.375 interval so it formed a near 13/9 interval with the octave and enlarge the 5/3 ratio and shrink the 9/8 ratio slightly to form a 1.34 ratio that would form something within about 10 cents of a perfect fifth instead of the 40/27 "wolf".
***********************************
The scale I came up with (which I'm calling "Genera" for now...and has a much more bright, major key sound than Mohajira so far as I can tell and manages to avoid any sour dyads, so far as my ear can tell) is

1
1.114 (heavily tempered 1.125)
1.25 (5/4)
1.384 (tempered 11/8)
1.492 (tempered 3/2)
1.67 (tempered 5/3)
1.83333 (11/6)
2

Any ideas how to optimize this scale and/or if such a scale already exists?

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 5:45 PM, genewardsmith
> <genewardsmith@...> wrote:
> >
> > I moved a reverted copy to the page someone put up on the Xenwiki which formerly linked to the Wikipedia entry on me, and dug up the old Joe Monzo entry which the deletionist vandals had removed completely and put it on the Xenwiki also. I formerly rescued the old page on 88edo. Does anyone know of other old Wikipedia articles which need rescuing?
>
> Why is there a group of people bent on removing microtonal theorists
> from wikipedia?
>
> -Mike
>
What! Conspiracy theory Mike?

One other reason there's so much stuff about microtonality
missing is this: the Tonalsoft Encyclopedia used to be
on the Sonic Arts website, and a lot of references to it
put on Wikipedia by people other than me had the old URLs,
some of which were so old that there were broken and unfixable.
So i fixed as many links as i could find.

When the deletionists saw links to my Encyclopedia that
were tagged with my user ID, they viewed this as self-promotion
and deleted all of the links to the Encyclopedia, along
with everything in Wikipedia that mentioned me in any way.
And of course the page _about_ me is gone, because i am
not "notable".

(There has to be a way to work in a pun here on the different
meanings of "note" ...)

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com/tonescape.aspx
Tonescape microtonal music software

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@> wrote:
>
> > Why is there a group of people bent on removing microtonal theorists
> > from wikipedia?
>
> Lack of notability. But that judgment is being made by people who don't know anything about the new regular paradigm theory and might not regard it as important anyway, on the basis of requiring citations. Since the theory was largely developed here on Yahoo, it is regarded as suspect and lacking in any citations or reasons for thinking it important. In fact Wikipedia does have articles on a few of the new temperaments, which might be inconsistency or might be because the deletionists haven't gotten their act together and deleted those too.
>

--- On Sat, 6/5/10, monz <joemonz@...> wrote:

From: monz <joemonz@yahoo.com>
Subject: [tuning] Re: Wikipedia madness
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010, 8:30 PM

One other reason there's so much stuff about microtonality

missing is this: the Tonalsoft Encyclopedia used to be

on the Sonic Arts website, and a lot of references to it

put on Wikipedia by people other than me had the old URLs,

some of which were so old that there were broken and unfixable.

So i fixed as many links as i could find.

When the deletionists saw links to my Encyclopedia that

were tagged with my user ID, they viewed this as self-promotion

and deleted all of the links to the Encyclopedia, along

with everything in Wikipedia that mentioned me in any way.

And of course the page _about_ me is gone, because i am

not "notable".

(There has to be a way to work in a pun here on the different

meanings of "note" ...)

-monz

http://tonalsoft.com/tonescape.aspx

Tonescape microtonal music softwareHi Monz!I wanted to ask you does tonescape not run on a computer whose sound card has no MIDI -- just an ordinary soundcard?
[Sorry to hijack the thread :-) ]

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <joemonz@...> wrote:
>
> (There has to be a way to work in a pun here on the different
> meanings of "note" ...)

Monz, you really can be a son of a pitch sometimes...

Hi Rustom,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Monz!I wanted to ask you does tonescape
> not run on a computer whose sound card has no MIDI
> -- just an ordinary soundcard?

There is no such thing as a soundcard which does or
does not have MIDI. MIDI on a computer is simply software
which treats certain registers in the computer as MIDI
devices and interfaces them with the soundcard.

As long as the computer has a soundcard, the only other
requirements to install and run Tonescape are a Windows
operating system from this century (2000, XP, Vista or 7)
and a decent enough video card.

In my own experience, the major problem i have had with
getting Tonescape installed is not having good enough video,
in which case the installation aborts. This happened on
several laptops i have from c.1999 to 2002.

But if it does install and you have a soundcard,
it should work. Here is a webpage listing the
system requirements:

http://tonalsoft.com/support/tonescape/knowledge.aspx

Note that Tonescape uses MIDI internally as you work
on a piece, but uses its own ".tonescape" file format
for a Musical Piece. You have to use the "Export to MIDI"
command to create a MIDI file.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com/tonescape.aspx
Tonescape microtonal music software

Caleb,

I like this a lot, very well-produced sound. I love the processed sound of poem reading at the beginning. I get this noirish Blade Runner-like cinematic atmosphere. And of the suggested titles I like "Family Resemblance" the most.

Kalle Aho

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, caleb morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:
>
>
> http://www.box.net/shared/m37jhti1og
>
> file name: fam res 6.309
>
> I've gotten about 7 minutes in on my first substantial piece using Logic Pro 8.
>
> Working title: Family Resemblance
>
> (Other possible titles--At Blackest Night or Walking Man)
>
> It's here in Mp3 format as well as .aif.
>
> It's only microtonal to the extent that the whole tuning base is shifted up 51 cents from A440, so that
> a Bb will be in tune with a 60-cycle hum.
>
> Walking around Boston at night, as I was doing for a while, I was very aware of that hum.
>
> I based the tempo--here a steady 110bpm--on my walking pace. (I walk sort of fast.)
>
> It's my usual inscrutable combination of deadly serious and whimsical.
>
> A friend reads a poem written by another friend, also my kid is heard doing some spontaneous beat-box stuff--so it's sort of an online collaboration.
>
> Hope someone enjoys it. I've probably lost perspective, having worked on it the last few days.
>
> Logic Pro 8 has been difficult for me to learn, but I'm getting the hang of it, after much cursing.
>
> One thing I really like is that you can record any change in any parameter and sequence it.
>
> Lemme know if any of it sounds good to ya.
>
> Caleb
>

Thanks, Kalle!

There's now an extended version I'm calling Roots of Truth (same link), with another 4 minutes tacked on. My wife reads a silly story that sort of makes fun of the poem, by the same author--he's making fun of himself. He's a guy who lives somewhere in Canada with the handle 'Blobru'. Blobru got a real laugh out of it. It's enough for me if a few people get some pleasure out of my stuff.

It's not really microtonal, but my head would have exploded if I added that challenge to the difficulty of learning Logic Pro 8 for my first piece.

There *is* another way to do microtunings with more than 12 notes per octave in Logic: One can build 'exs' sampler instruments with a tuning specified for each key, assigning the same sample individually to each of every key on the keyboard. That's a LOT of work, and tedious, but once the exs instruments were built, you could use them on many pieces.

Otherwise, one seems to be stuck with a fixed 12-note microtuning that can't change over time, or 'hermode' tuning, where the computer tries to make sense of what you're doing--meh.

Another workaround in Logic is to use plug-in instruments like PianoTeq--I may purchase some synth plug-ins for this purpose. Or, bend the pitches individually.

I wish Logic Pro 8 let you specify Scala files--multiple ones--as many as needed as your tunings change over time. As in: measure 5, beat 3: '76 notes per octave'...measure 9, beat 1: '36 note Just', etc., where each of these names are Scala files that define the tunings.

Logic Pro 8 is powerful and packed with features, but I can't say I've enjoyed learning it--there are many, many little things that seem annoying, and many things that I have yet to learn, where the explanation is buried somewhere in the huge manual.

If I'm wrong about Logic Pro 8 microtuning capability, I'd appreciate it if someone would let me know--it might make a huge difference in future pieces. I *don't* think bouncing down your tracks in one tuning and importing the audio to a new sequence is an acceptable workaround--too cumbersome and confining.

When the noise from cars and construction quiets down in the American city at 2 am, you hear the 60 cycle hum of the power grid everywhere--I think Lamonte Young commented on this a long time ago.

Caleb

On Jun 6, 2010, at 7:39 AM, Kalle Aho wrote:

> Caleb,
>
> I like this a lot, very well-produced sound. I love the processed sound of poem reading at the beginning. I get this noirish Blade Runner-like cinematic atmosphere. And of the suggested titles I like "Family Resemblance" the most.
>
> Kalle Aho
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, caleb morgan <calebmrgn@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > http://www.box.net/shared/m37jhti1og
> >
> > file name: fam res 6.309
> >
> > I've gotten about 7 minutes in on my first substantial piece using Logic Pro 8.
> >
> > Working title: Family Resemblance
> >
> > (Other possible titles--At Blackest Night or Walking Man)
> >
> > It's here in Mp3 format as well as .aif.
> >
> > It's only microtonal to the extent that the whole tuning base is shifted up 51 cents from A440, so that
> > a Bb will be in tune with a 60-cycle hum.
> >
> > Walking around Boston at night, as I was doing for a while, I was very aware of that hum.
> >
> > I based the tempo--here a steady 110bpm--on my walking pace. (I walk sort of fast.)
> >
> > It's my usual inscrutable combination of deadly serious and whimsical.
> >
> > A friend reads a poem written by another friend, also my kid is heard doing some spontaneous beat-box stuff--so it's sort of an online collaboration.
> >
> > Hope someone enjoys it. I've probably lost perspective, having worked on it the last few days.
> >
> > Logic Pro 8 has been difficult for me to learn, but I'm getting the hang of it, after much cursing.
> >
> > One thing I really like is that you can record any change in any parameter and sequence it.
> >
> > Lemme know if any of it sounds good to ya.
> >
> > Caleb
> >
>
>

micro or not this is a great piece of music!!

I'm blown away with what you did here!

Chris

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 9:31 PM, caleb morgan <calebmrgn@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> http://www.box.net/shared/m37jhti1og
> file name: fam res 6.309
> I've gotten about 7 minutes in on my first substantial piece using Logic Pro 8.
> Working title:  Family Resemblance
> (Other possible titles--At Blackest Night  or  Walking Man)
> It's here in Mp3 format as well as .aif.
> It's only microtonal to the extent that the whole tuning base is shifted up 51 cents from A440, so that
> a Bb will be in tune with a 60-cycle hum.
> Walking around Boston at night, as I was doing for a while, I was very aware of that hum.
> I based the tempo--here a steady 110bpm--on my walking pace.  (I walk sort of fast.)
> It's my usual inscrutable combination of deadly serious and whimsical.
> A friend reads a poem written by another friend, also my kid is heard doing some spontaneous beat-box stuff--so it's sort of an online collaboration.
> Hope someone enjoys it.  I've probably lost perspective, having worked on it the last few days.

Somehow my Box informed me that Chris listened to version 6.305.

Psst, Chris!

Listen to version 6.309, or 'Roots of Truth'--they are the most final versions.

Strange--ordinarily I can't tell who listens to the stuff in the Box, only that someone has.

I always post stuff to my box as I go, even before it's done. If I get hit by a bus, or my computer dies, or, more likely if Logic gives me trouble, at least
I've got something to show for it.

If anyone wants an .aif of these latest two versions, I'd be happy to upload it...

I need a smiley, this is not too serious!

Thanks for nice comment, I just saw it.

Caleb

Thanks, Jon, for appropriate punisment...

Dominique

Hi Monz.

I first tried tonescape under windows XP. I get
Sorry An application error occured
If you are connected to the internet you can press send to report the error to tonalsoft
[Actually I cannot press send -- have to kill it with Ctrl-Alt-Del]

I then tried it under crossover in linux http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxlinux/
I got the error (on installing): Unable to detect synthesizer. Aborting installation.

I wrote to the crossover folks and they said its my sound card problem (quoting the same requirements page youve mentioned)
I guess the key line there is:
Windows supported multimedia sound card with a minimum of 48 synthesizer
voices

Rustom

PS And if this is not the most appropriate list for these discussions
please let me know

--- On Sun, 6/6/10, monz <joemonz@...> wrote:

From: monz <joemonz@...>
Subject: [tuning] Tonescape and MIDI (was: Wikipedia madness)
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, June 6, 2010, 9:42 AM

Hi Rustom,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi Monz!I wanted to ask you does tonescape

> not run on a computer whose sound card has no MIDI

> -- just an ordinary soundcard?

There is no such thing as a soundcard which does or

does not have MIDI. MIDI on a computer is simply software

which treats certain registers in the computer as MIDI

devices and interfaces them with the soundcard.

As long as the computer has a soundcard, the only other

requirements to install and run Tonescape are a Windows

operating system from this century (2000, XP, Vista or 7)

and a decent enough video card.

In my own experience, the major problem i have had with

getting Tonescape installed is not having good enough video,

in which case the installation aborts. This happened on

several laptops i have from c.1999 to 2002.

But if it does install and you have a soundcard,

it should work. Here is a webpage listing the

system requirements:

http://tonalsoft.com/support/tonescape/knowledge.aspx

Note that Tonescape uses MIDI internally as you work

on a piece, but uses its own ".tonescape" file format

for a Musical Piece. You have to use the "Export to MIDI"

command to create a MIDI file.

-monz

http://tonalsoft.com/tonescape.aspx

Tonescape microtonal music software

Wow Caleb, what a beautifully crafted piece. Well produced, great sounds and composition. I'm looking forward to listening to it again after the mob here has gone to bed.

Rick

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Kalle Aho" <kalleaho@...> wrote:
>
> Caleb,
>
> I like this a lot, very well-produced sound. I love the processed sound of poem reading at the beginning. I get this noirish Blade Runner-like cinematic atmosphere. And of the suggested titles I like "Family Resemblance" the most.
>
> Kalle Aho
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, caleb morgan <calebmrgn@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > http://www.box.net/shared/m37jhti1og
> >
> > file name: fam res 6.309
> >
> > I've gotten about 7 minutes in on my first substantial piece using Logic Pro 8.
> >
> > Working title: Family Resemblance
> >
> > (Other possible titles--At Blackest Night or Walking Man)
> >
> > It's here in Mp3 format as well as .aif.
> >
> > It's only microtonal to the extent that the whole tuning base is shifted up 51 cents from A440, so that
> > a Bb will be in tune with a 60-cycle hum.
> >
> > Walking around Boston at night, as I was doing for a while, I was very aware of that hum.
> >
> > I based the tempo--here a steady 110bpm--on my walking pace. (I walk sort of fast.)
> >
> > It's my usual inscrutable combination of deadly serious and whimsical.
> >
> > A friend reads a poem written by another friend, also my kid is heard doing some spontaneous beat-box stuff--so it's sort of an online collaboration.
> >
> > Hope someone enjoys it. I've probably lost perspective, having worked on it the last few days.
> >
> > Logic Pro 8 has been difficult for me to learn, but I'm getting the hang of it, after much cursing.
> >
> > One thing I really like is that you can record any change in any parameter and sequence it.
> >
> > Lemme know if any of it sounds good to ya.
> >
> > Caleb
> >
>

Hi Rustom,

I have no problem with discussions of Tonescape here,
since its primary focus is on making it as easy as possible
for the user to create new tunings and compose music
in those tunings. However, there is a Yahoo group devoted
exclusively to the current release ("Den Haag") of Tonescape:

/tonescape_denhaag/

I suggest that you become a member of that group.
There has been very little discussion there for quite
some time, partly because development of Tonescape
is currently stalled and therefore we have not been
able to fix bugs for several years, and partly because
since my children were born i've been busy dealing with
raising a family and trying hard to earn more income,
and my presence on all internet discussion groups has
dropped off considerably.

But that said, I have Tonescape running fine on 5 different
computers:

* a desktop running Windows 2000 Professional
* 2 desktops running Windows XP
* a Toshiba Satellite laptop running Windows Vista
* a HP Mini-1000 netbook running Windows XP

and would be happy to help anyone else who can
get it running.

As for the platform ... it was our business decision
to create Tonescape for Windows, figuring that we
would sell more of it since Windows has the largest
market share.

Now, a couple of years into my total Linux geekdom,
i greatly regret that decision. I have been trying
like crazy to get Tonescape installed under Linux,
using either Wine, or virtual machines in both Qemu
and VirtualBox, with no success at all. The furthest
i have gotten is the same thing you got: it installed
but crashes as soon as i try to run it, with the
same error message you got with Crossover.

I know now that the biggest mistake we made was that
we should have created it for Mac OS X. Anyway, the
biggest problem now is that we just need more investment
money to revive the project.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com/tonescape.aspx
Tonescape microtonal music software

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Monz.
>
> I first tried tonescape under windows XP. I get
> Sorry An application error occured
> If you are connected to the internet you can press send
> to report the error to tonalsoft
> [Actually I cannot press send -- have to kill it with Ctrl-Alt-Del]
>
> I then tried it under crossover in linux
> http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxlinux/
> I got the error (on installing): Unable to detect synthesizer.
> Aborting installation.
>
> I wrote to the crossover folks and they said its my sound
> card problem (quoting the same requirements page youve
> mentioned)
> I guess the key line there is:
> Windows supported multimedia sound card with a minimum
> of 48 synthesizer voices
>
> Rustom
>
> PS And if this is not the most appropriate list for these
> discussions please let me know

--- On Tue, 6/8/10, monz <joemonz@...> wrote:

From: monz <joemonz@yahoo.com>
Subject: [tuning] Re: Tonescape and MIDI (was: Wikipedia madness)
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:22 AM

Hi Rustom,

I have no problem with discussions of Tonescape here,

since its primary focus is on making it as easy as possible

for the user to create new tunings and compose music

in those tunings. However, there is a Yahoo group devoted

exclusively to the current release ("Den Haag") of Tonescape:

/tonescape_denhaag/
I thought that the MusicByComputer was the suitable group for tonescape...
So now Ive done registered on tonescape_denhaag and will put a (summary of) this thread there.

I suggest that you become a member of that group.

There has been very little discussion there for quite

some time, partly because development of Tonescape

is currently stalled and therefore we have not been

able to fix bugs for several years, and partly because

since my children were born i've been busy dealing with

raising a family and trying hard to earn more income,

and my presence on all internet discussion groups has

dropped off considerably.

But that said, I have Tonescape running fine on 5 different

computers:

* a desktop running Windows 2000 Professional

* 2 desktops running Windows XP

* a Toshiba Satellite laptop running Windows Vista

* a HP Mini-1000 netbook running Windows XP

and would be happy to help anyone else who can

get it running.

As for the platform ... it was our business decision

to create Tonescape for Windows, figuring that we

would sell more of it since Windows has the largest

market share.

Now, a couple of years into my total Linux geekdom, Im a bit of a linux hacker and geek (for 20 years) so would be happy to help in any way I can.

i greatly regret that decision. I have been trying

like crazy to get Tonescape installed under Linux,

using either Wine, or virtual machines in both Qemu

and VirtualBox, with no success at all. The furthest

i have gotten is the same thing you got: it installed

but crashes as soon as i try to run it, with the

same error message you got with Crossover.

I know now that the biggest mistake we made was that

we should have created it for Mac OS X. Anyway, the

biggest problem now is that we just need more investment

money to revive the project.

-monz

http://tonalsoft.com/tonescape.aspx

Tonescape microtonal music software

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Monz.

>

> I first tried tonescape under windows XP. I get

> Sorry An application error occured

> If you are connected to the internet you can press send

> to report the error to tonalsoft

> [Actually I cannot press send -- have to kill it with Ctrl-Alt-Del]

>

> I then tried it under crossover in linux

> http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxlinux/

> I got the error (on installing): Unable to detect synthesizer.

> Aborting installation.

>

> I wrote to the crossover folks and they said its my sound

> card problem (quoting the same requirements page youve

> mentioned)

> I guess the key line there is:

> Windows supported multimedia sound card with a minimum

> of 48 synthesizer voices

>

> Rustom

>

> PS And if this is not the most appropriate list for these

> discussions please let me know

Hi Rustom,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@...> wrote:
>
> --- On Tue, 6/8/10, monz <joemonz@...> wrote:
>
> From: monz <joemonz@...>
> > [...] However, there is a Yahoo group devoted
> > exclusively to the current release ("Den Haag") of Tonescape:
> >
> > /tonescape_denhaag/

> I thought that the MusicByComputer was the
> suitable group for tonescape...

Well, it's certainly OK to also discuss Tonescape
on that group too:

/musicbycomputer/

but that group is about _any_ computer music software,
particularly if it's free (as in free beer).

For those of us in the San Diego area it has the
added advantage that we get together once a month
in real life for a meeting, at Sonic Arts.

And of course since i go to every meeting, demos of pieces
i've composed on Tonescape figure into the proceedings
quite a bit.

> > Now, a couple of years into my total Linux geekdom,

> Im a bit of a linux hacker and geek (for 20 years)
> so would be happy to help in any way I can.

OK ... a few years ago i created yet another Yahoo group
which is specifically for discussion of _that_:

/tonescape-linux/

... but naturally there's even _less_ activity there!

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com/tonescape.aspx
Tonescape microtonal music software