"Extra-technical creating"

Hallo listers- some thoughts...........

I think we are blessed with Pat Pagano, a man after my own heart, who
continues to voice concerns above and beyond technical and numerical
considerations. I concur with Pat's almost(?) mystical sense of the
transpersonal in music and its utter importance for creative achievements to
mean something.

I feel that music should be the result of allowing, of becoming at one with
the music.

E.g. Terry Riley recently had a dream of a new tuning, which apparently has
3 35:36 intervals and 1 63:64 in it and creates a wonderful shimmering when
used on an acoustic concert grand. Its been premiered in Italy, Japan and
Boston (on 25/2) and I'm hoping we'll hear it in London this year.
This to me is an example of extra-technical activity.

I survived on Soft Machine recordings and concerts during my university
years. They set a timeless precedent, particularly in the years 1969-1971.
They "retuned" jazz and rock time signatures (5,7,9,11,13,15 to the bar) and
swung more than most in 3/4 & 4/4.

Issues of the incredible rich multi-network relationships inherent in the
wonderful effects and relationships possible with rational intonations are
also of course relevant utterly.

If numbers themselves were frequencies would they make either a)noise or b)
a wonderful shining sonic tapestry (of the sound of the unconscious or
super-conscious mind) ? Perhaps that's what the world and the heaven-worlds
are.

The potential web of tuning relationships is as intricate as the sea of
relationships inherent in numbers themselves.

An intelligent "tumubot" (tuning/music/bot) could build and traverse,
rebuild and reconfigure (whilst traversing) webs of relationships as
fleetingly as light reflections on water that glint and flicker.

I have been on this list for a while, am a composer who sometimes likes to
experiment with 7,11 and 13 components in tuning ratios and with algorithmic
composition (as well as pen/paper/inner ear and improvisation). I am
particularly fond of improvising harmonic progressions using those
intervals. The tension possible with 11:8 to 3:2 cadences is quite
breathtaking I feel.

Best thoughts to all

hope I didn't tread on anyone

Lawrence

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>From: tuning@onelist.com
>To: tuning@onelist.com
>Subject: [tuning] Digest Number 551
>Date: Mon, Feb 28, 2000, 4:58 am
>

>Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 08:37:36 -0800
> From: Patrick Pagano <ppagano@bellsouth.net>
>Subject: Re: Replies...
>
>i prefer Wyatt and Soft Machine over costello anyday....
>Pat
>
>

Lawrence Ball wrote:

> I feel that music should be the result of allowing, of becoming at one with
> the music.

Sounds right to me!

> E.g. Terry Riley recently had a dream of a new tuning, which apparently has
> 3 35:36 intervals and 1 63:64 in it and creates a wonderful shimmering when
> used on an acoustic concert grand. Its been premiered in Italy, Japan and
> Boston (on 25/2) and I'm hoping we'll hear it in London this year.
> This to me is an example of extra-technical activity.

Do you know exactly what the tuning is? The is the Sun Ring for
Just Intonation Piano? I hope he plays it in NYC soon!

--
* D a v i d B e a r d s l e y
* xouoxno@virtulink.com
*
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Dear Lawrence
Life has caught up to me and shown me a few things lately
i am moving into an interactive environment creating area and attempting to
facilitate others creation in a salon format....Every saturday i try to generate
an area and let others come in for exploration in JI been usin LINUX sound apps
to set up a nice vibe.....
and speaking of vibes........

I know i slacked horribly by not sending the materials i promised
A new relationship budded and 7 months later i am apologising yet again for some
broken promises....
please send your address again (i hope your good and settled now)
And i shall send off the CDs ***i swear *

I play your tape often at work and find it in the drawer at all the right
times..........
Saw it the other day and said "oh shit i never sent ......
Then saw your post

Pat

Lawrence Ball wrote:

> From: "Lawrence Ball" <Lawrenceball@planettree.demon.co.uk>
>
> Hallo listers- some thoughts...........
>
> I think we are blessed with Pat Pagano, a man after my own heart, who
> continues to voice concerns above and beyond technical and numerical
> considerations. I concur with Pat's almost(?) mystical sense of the
> transpersonal in music and its utter importance for creative achievements to
> mean something.
>
> I feel that music should be the result of allowing, of becoming at one with
> the music.
>
> E.g. Terry Riley recently had a dream of a new tuning, which apparently has
> 3 35:36 intervals and 1 63:64 in it and creates a wonderful shimmering when
> used on an acoustic concert grand. Its been premiered in Italy, Japan and
> Boston (on 25/2) and I'm hoping we'll hear it in London this year.
> This to me is an example of extra-technical activity.
>
> I survived on Soft Machine recordings and concerts during my university
> years. They set a timeless precedent, particularly in the years 1969-1971.
> They "retuned" jazz and rock time signatures (5,7,9,11,13,15 to the bar) and
> swung more than most in 3/4 & 4/4.
>
>
>
>
> Issues of the incredible rich multi-network relationships inherent in the
> wonderful effects and relationships possible with rational intonations are
> also of course relevant utterly.
>
> If numbers themselves were frequencies would they make either a)noise or b)
> a wonderful shining sonic tapestry (of the sound of the unconscious or
> super-conscious mind) ? Perhaps that's what the world and the heaven-worlds
> are.
>
> The potential web of tuning relationships is as intricate as the sea of
> relationships inherent in numbers themselves.
>
> An intelligent "tumubot" (tuning/music/bot) could build and traverse,
> rebuild and reconfigure (whilst traversing) webs of relationships as
> fleetingly as light reflections on water that glint and flicker.
>
> I have been on this list for a while, am a composer who sometimes likes to
> experiment with 7,11 and 13 components in tuning ratios and with algorithmic
> composition (as well as pen/paper/inner ear and improvisation). I am
> particularly fond of improvising harmonic progressions using those
> intervals. The tension possible with 11:8 to 3:2 cadences is quite
> breathtaking I feel.
>
> Best thoughts to all
>
> hope I didn't tread on anyone
>
> Lawrence
>
>
> ----------
> >From: tuning@onelist.com
> >To: tuning@onelist.com
> >Subject: [tuning] Digest Number 551
> >Date: Mon, Feb 28, 2000, 4:58 am
> >
>
> >Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 08:37:36 -0800
> > From: Patrick Pagano <ppagano@bellsouth.net>
> >Subject: Re: Replies...
> >
> >i prefer Wyatt and Soft Machine over costello anyday....
> >Pat
> >
> >
>
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