Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup tuning Ethno2 improv

Chris wrote :

> Thanks for the listen and comment Oz!
> One does not always please the audience :-)
> I guess I should have been more cautious since I liked it - sure > sign of
> something wrong :-)

Sorry if I "infringe" from my reserve as a member from the jury ;),
but I like it myself, for many reasons :
1) it's the first demo proposal and I think it's a piece of quality ;
2) it's the first time I get to hear some real music using this Eq-b harmonic version of WIII,
and it is very satisfying to my ears. I would be curious to know the impressions of a pionnier of harmonic temperaments like Andreas Sparchuh's, or of Johnny Reinhard for the rendition of WIII, but to me and with the harmonies you used, there's no mistake. Have you tried different tunings on this score ?
3) certainly you took not much risk by choosing this tuning and one can object this isn't a very "microtonal" demo, and I hope too we will be hearing more adventurous and exotic experiences, but I think that was a clever choice to start by something very classic, that I think has a microtonal quality coming from a right adequation between the music and the tuning chosen.
BTW I did not succed to hear your precedent experiment with celtic instruments, was that intended to be a finished demo ? If so, can you send it to me ?
4) it is enjoyable and has melodic qualities, the most interesting part to me beeing in the middle, where it goes more chromatic with "Beatlesque" chords. It can be hesitant sometimes, but why not - I like how it breathes, and plays with silences.
5) it's well mixed and has a very good stereo space. Did you used the Ethno reverb, or some other ?
(the only reserve I have does not come from you, but from the attacks of the guitar sometimes harsh or irregular in volume, perhaps from the expression adjustements).

Carry on and all the best Chris !
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Jacques

🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

Thank you Jacques for the comments and listen - and I'm glad you like it.

I was seduced by the sounds to be honest :-)

Let me try to answer your questions - see my responses below your comments.

On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Jacques Dudon <fotosonix@...> wrote:
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> Chris wrote :
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> Thanks for the listen and comment Oz!
> One does not always please the audience :-)
> I guess I should have been more cautious since I liked it - sure sign of
> something wrong :-)
>
> Sorry if I "infringe" from my reserve as a member from the jury ;),
> but I like it myself, for many reasons :
> 1) it's the first demo proposal and I think it's a piece of quality ;

Well, actually this is meant as being only an improvisation. I wanted
some relaxation after working on the real demo and improvised using my
Roland GR-20 Guitar to midi controller.

> 2) it's the first time I get to hear some real music using this Eq-b harmonic version of WIII,
> and it is very satisfying to my ears.

I find this as being a delightful tuning as well. And considering the
chromaticism of the major 7ths I was impressed with how well the notes
from far keys blended. The chord progression is in D minor but the
consistent major 7ths borrow from other keys.

>2a Have you tried different tunings on this score ?

Nope - but I am certainly capable and willing since I midi recorded
everything (and yes did some editing on about 6 notes) - any
suggestions?

> 3) certainly you took not much risk by choosing this tuning and one can object this isn't a very "microtonal" demo, and I hope too we will be hearing more adventurous and exotic experiences, but I think that was a clever choice to start by something very classic, that I think has a microtonal quality coming from a right adequation between the music and the tuning chosen.

I agree it isn't much risk. I do have plans though to go more xenharmonic.

> BTW I did not succed to hear your precedent experiment with celtic instruments, was that intended to be a finished demo ? If so, can you send it to me ?

Sure - if this link doesn't work please tell me

http://notonlymusic.com/board/download/file.php?id=177

> 4) it is enjoyable and has melodic qualities, the most interesting part to me beeing in the middle, where it goes more chromatic with "Beatlesque" chords. It can be hesitant sometimes, but why not - I like how it breathes, and plays with silences.

That is my improvisation style - it does drive some people crazy when
I do not keep a strict tempo - so I'm glad you like that aspect.

> 5) it's well mixed and has a very good stereo space. Did you used the Ethno reverb, or some other ?

Everything you hear is 100% ethno 2 - even to the balancing of the
instruments and the reverberation.

> (the only reserve I have does not come from you, but from the attacks of the guitar sometimes harsh or irregular in volume, perhaps from the expression adjustements).

That is more a function of actually playing the guitar and violin
parts. (I'm not a real consistent player) However - that can probably
be smoothed out by using the different velocity profiles provided in
Ethno 2.

> Carry on and all the best Chris !
> - - - - - - -
> Jacques

Thanks!! I'm having a good time!

🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

🔗Jacques Dudon <fotosonix@...>

Chris wrote :

> I find this as being a delightful tuning as well. And considering the
> chromaticism of the major 7ths I was impressed with how well the notes
> from far keys blended. The chord progression is in D minor but the
> consistent major 7ths borrow from other keys.

You can check in the scl file that the Eq-b property of this/(the) WIII is precisely
3A - 5C = 4E - 5C = 3D - 2A

> >(J) : 2a Have you tried different tunings on this score ?
>
> Nope - but I am certainly capable and willing since I midi recorded
> everything (and yes did some editing on about 6 notes) - any
> suggestions?

A variation of this WIII (or vice-versa), is Comptine(EU2), E & B 1/4 pyth comma lower.
Now you will find somptuous major 7ths in "Brazil", that will be missing notes - but will indicate you the best chords of "Jobim", the chromatic version of it. Both are optimized for major 7ths and dim-7ths but I don't know if Jobim will fit for your harmonies.

> > (J) : BTW I did not succed to hear your precedent experiment with > celtic instruments, was that intended to be a finished demo ? If > so, can you send it to me ?
>
> Sure - if this link doesn't work please tell me

http://notonlymusic.com/board/download/file.php?id=177

Wow ! I missed that ! Done with Ethno ?! That's really good.
Likewise I suppose other meantones could give good results.
I think of Michemine(E3), Hummy(NA4), Lucie(OCE2), Diatess(SA3), or much more exotic, Sireine(OCE5)(-??)
If in the proper tonality of course.
Anyway Mezzo works well. But I dont know if I will even try to listen to the ET or even synchronous-12 version !
I am interested in your comments if you experiment it sometime with differents tunings than Mezzo !
Keep on having a good time,
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Jacques

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