More Paul&Jerry

Jerry wrote,

>After dealing with all that marginally relative discourse, let me ask
>whether you understand the main points of my post?--that if the key had
been
>F, the F would likely have been tuned in a 3:4 relationship to the C, and
>more importantly, that the "kids" could hear (or sense) that it did not.

I understand that point, and my argument against it was based on a musical
example I did not even here. Would you mind sending me the passage in
question (which was before the drone came in, and none of the students had
yet heard the drone, right?) and I'll either retract or reiterate.

>> So "your" augmented fourth is _larger_ than 7:10?

>I didn't actually measure it. It just sounds appropriately tuned. Actually,
>it's not a functional tritone so its "tendency" isn't relevant.

>> You sure didn't like that
>> sort of thing in Monz' I-IV-V7-I example with the V7 with high third and
low
>> seventh.

>As you have said, context is everything. :-) Perhaps the difference is in
>_how high and _how low.

Fine. I hope we can pin these things down someday. If at least you, as an
author, can identify the ratios (or non-ratios?) you're hearing, it will be
a great boon to your presentation.

>> But I'm positive Chandra's seventh is _way_ higher than a 4:7. Try a
>> keyboard comparison (your synthesizer's approximation of 969� will
suffice
>> to prove my point), or perhaps someone can perform an analysis.

>And I'm positive Chandra's seventh is _way lower than 12-tET. It was the
>first thing I noticed when I first played it. Again, I haven't measured it.
>I assumed it to be a 4:7 because it sure wasn't a keyboard tuning.
>Furthermore, she tunes it that way consistently throughout the song. Also,
>it sounds exactly like the "low" seventh all through my Indian music
>recordings. Why would it not be a 4:7?

Remember how you said the "high third" of a major triad sounded exactly like
the interval between the 7th and 9th of a 4:5:6:7:9 chord? And then you
ended up concluding that it wasn't? Perhaps the same thing is going on here.
Anyway, make the comparison: I'm confident in my perception.

>> I don't hear this at all and in fact the last note appears to be a major
>> seventh, not a third, over the tonic (maybe I'm hearing a phantom root).
>
>Listen again, Paul. Her last note is a third, both in the context of the
>song as a whole and within the final tonic chord. Sing along with her and
>you'll hear (and feel) her pitch change just as the tonic chord arrives.

You only posted the end of the song, so I can't get a sense of the key. My
Altec speakers must suck, since I really hear the last chord as a major 9th
chord with the soprano singing the major 7th. I do hear the tiny upward
shift today. Would you mind giving the notes for the last few chords?