Retuned MoaIL Blackwood Songs

Hi all, for those who are interested, I have put a zip file of retuned (and original) versions of the three Blackwood tracks from "Map of an Internal Landscape". Each track has at least three versions, one in 15-EDO, one in 20-EDO, and one in 25-EDO. The song "Audiospark Spring Bubbles Turquoise" has an extra 25-EDO version in the Fair version of Blackwood (i.e. "quasi-10-equal"). You can download it at:

www.cityoftheasleep.com/Retuned.zip

I'm interested to know which versions people like the best.

-Igs

Looking forward to this. The Audiospark spring bubbles turquoise track was
awesome. My buddies from school dug that one, probably more because of the 5
vs 4 polyrhythm than anything. I dunno if they even knew it was microtonal.

-Mike

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:38 AM, cityoftheasleep <igliashon@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

>
>
> Hi all, for those who are interested, I have put a zip file of retuned (and
> original) versions of the three Blackwood tracks from "Map of an Internal
> Landscape". Each track has at least three versions, one in 15-EDO, one in
> 20-EDO, and one in 25-EDO. The song "Audiospark Spring Bubbles Turquoise"
> has an extra 25-EDO version in the Fair version of Blackwood (i.e.
> "quasi-10-equal"). You can download it at:
>
> www.cityoftheasleep.com/Retuned.zip
>
> I'm interested to know which versions people like the best.
>
> -Igs
>
>
>

--- "cityoftheasleep" <igliashon@...> wrote:

> Hi all, for those who are interested, I have put a zip file of
> retuned (and original) versions of the three Blackwood tracks from
> "Map of an Internal Landscape". Each track has at least three
> versions, one in 15-EDO, one in 20-EDO, and one in 25-EDO. The
> song "Audiospark Spring Bubbles Turquoise" has an extra 25-EDO
> version in the Fair version of Blackwood (i.e. "quasi-10-equal").
> You can download it at:
> www.cityoftheasleep.com/Retuned.zip
> I'm interested to know which versions people like the best.
> -Igs

For once they really are songs! Like, your iPod holds 30,000
songs. Always makes me groan but not here -- compelling melodies,
lyric intent, multipart structure, etc. Bravo!

I think the 15 & 20 versions are winning, and with Audiospark,
I prefer the unfair version to the fair. It seems like the
further from equal, the better it is. Sorry if I missed it but
which were they written for?

It's as if former members of Naked Eyes and the Eurythmics were
thawed out in the year 2052 to form an Industrial Hardcore group.

-Carl

Hi Carl, thanks as always for the kind and encouraging words! To answer your question,

> Sorry if I missed it but which were they written for?

"Sapphire" was written for 20-EDO, "Protagonism" for 15-EDO, and "Audiospark" for 25-EDO Unfair.

I find that the 25-EDO Unfair is the least-dissonant sounding, but the melodies become kind of weak due to the very small semitone. It's really striking to me how having a consonant whole-tone (i.e. between 180 and 200 cents) seems to be more important in creating consonance than having a major or minor third close to the 5-limit ideal. For instance, 25-EDO Unfair hits 5/4 within a cent of Just, but the scale sounds like rubbish because the "whole-tone" is around a 13/12. This is why I like 20-EDO the best in the Blackwood family: it hits just the right balance of having a consonant whole-tone (near 10/9) and an effective semitone.

Cityoftheasleep>"For instance, 25-EDO Unfair hits 5/4 within a cent of Just, but the
scale sounds like rubbish because the "whole-tone" is around a 13/12. This is why I like 20-EDO the best in the Blackwood family: it hits
just the right balance of having a consonant whole-tone (near 10/9) and
an effective semitone."

Too bizarre. In my latest scale a vast majority of the "semi-tones" are either 10/9 or 11/10, with only two intervals out of seven not meeting that criteria (12/11 and 13/12). And believe me, I wish I could find a way to "hack out" that relatively nasty 13/12 (which still comes across to me as more harmonically usable in many more ways on the average than, say, the 15/14 semi-tone in diatonic JI).

Specifically the part below gets me
>" It's really striking to me how having a consonant whole-tone (i.e.
between 180 and 200 cents) seems to be more important in creating
consonance than having a major or minor third close to the 5-limit
ideal. "
...Because it really seems to follow the train of thought I used to create my latest scale...the "guess-timate" that using precision for closer tones like the second and allowing more "non-just-ness" in tones further away (like thirds) to achieve that is a good way to go if you want to improve the scale's overall sense of "resolved-ness".

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "cityoftheasleep" <igliashon@...> wrote:

> "Sapphire" was written for 20-EDO, "Protagonism" for 15-EDO, and "Audiospark" for 25-EDO Unfair.

Are these scales available somewhere?

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Michael <djtrancendance@...> wrote:
>
> Cityoftheasleep>"For instance, 25-EDO Unfair hits 5/4 within a cent of Just, but the
> scale sounds like rubbish because the "whole-tone" is around a 13/12. This is why I like 20-EDO the best in the Blackwood family: it hits
> just the right balance of having a consonant whole-tone (near 10/9) and
> an effective semitone."
>
> Too bizarre.

How come everyone else can find this music on the site and I can't? I think a url would be nice.

I gave the URL in the original post, as I didn't want to bother putting a link on the actual site. It's at:

http://www.cityoftheasleep.com/Retuned.zip

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Michael <djtrancendance@> wrote:
> >
> > Cityoftheasleep>"For instance, 25-EDO Unfair hits 5/4 within a cent of Just, but the
> > scale sounds like rubbish because the "whole-tone" is around a 13/12. This is why I like 20-EDO the best in the Blackwood family: it hits
> > just the right balance of having a consonant whole-tone (near 10/9) and
> > an effective semitone."
> >
> > Too bizarre.
>
> How come everyone else can find this music on the site and I can't? I think a url would be nice.
>

Hi Gene,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@...> wrote:

> > "Sapphire" was written for 20-EDO, "Protagonism" for 15-EDO, and "Audiospark" for 25-EDO Unfair.
>
> Are these scales available somewhere?

Not sure. What do you mean by "available"? As .scl files? I could probably generate some, but if you use scala, you can just use the "mode/equal" command, i.e. for 20-EDO Major Blackwood it'd be "mode/equal 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1".

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "cityoftheasleep" <igliashon@...> wrote:

> > Are these scales available somewhere?
>
> Not sure. What do you mean by "available"? As .scl files? I could probably generate some, but if you use scala, you can just use the "mode/equal" command, i.e. for 20-EDO Major Blackwood it'd be "mode/equal 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1".

Scala doesn't seem to know what I'm talking about when I do that. It does know about 15 modes of 20edo already, but not the ones you seem to be talking about.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "cityoftheasleep" <igliashon@...> wrote:

> > Are these scales available somewhere?
>
> Not sure. What do you mean by "available"? As .scl files?
> I could probably generate some,

Yes please. -Carl

This is the beginning of a new song. In a week or so the final version will likely be available.

Tuning used is

"Infinity" (JI version)
1/1
11/10
6/5
4/3
3/2
5/3
9/5
2/1

Note the use of oddly narrow/"clustered" chords and some (gasp) on-purpose dissonance. ;-)

Sounding nice so far. Keep at it! Let's hear it complete.

Oz.

✩ ✩ ✩
www.ozanyarman.com

On Apr 22, 2010, at 10:17 PM, Michael wrote:

> [Attachment(s) from Michael included below]
>
> This is the beginning of a new song. In a week or so the final
> version will likely be available.
>
> Tuning used is
>
> "Infinity" (JI version)
> 1/1
> 11/10
> 6/5
> 4/3
> 3/2
> 5/3
> 9/5
> 2/1
>
> Note the use of oddly narrow/"clustered" chords and some (gasp) on-
> purpose dissonance. ;-)
>
> Attachment(s) from Michael
>
> 1 of 1 File(s)
>
> catcherpreview.mp3
>
>

The loop is quite bizarre, but the sound is fine - you're on a good track Michael !
- - - - - - -
Jacques

Michael wrote :

> This is the beginning of a new song. In a week or so the final > version will likely be available.
>
> Tuning used is
>
> "Infinity" (JI version)
> 1/1
> 11/10
> 6/5
> 4/3
> 3/2
> 5/3
> 9/5
> 2/1
>
> Note the use of oddly narrow/"clustered" chords and some (gasp) on-> purpose dissonance. ;-)