Re: Drei Equale tuning competition entry

Dear Marcel,>my conclusion was virtually no tunings that do not both have all notes very close to 12TET and contain all 12 notes will work to make it sound "like Beethoven intended". Feel free to post the mp3 after the competition if you want, though.

Seems like I want to cheer you up. But you made some mistake here, to  sound "like Beethoven intended" does not need to have notes close to 12TET, in fact the farther they are off, the better the musical feeling. Traditional "rules" in harmony discouraged "parallel octaves" and the like to make way for this.
Here you are, attached. To simplify the comparison, I put the tuned channels to tracks 5, 6, 7, 8. The original tracks are 1, 2, 3, 4.  I use both the "solo" and "mute" buttons to quickly switch between the tuned and un-tuned tracks. You can put whatever samples to test them, I suggest strings, solo or ensemble, it will sound more like it. Many of the notes are tuned to the open strings. BTW he scale used is already  inside the scales archive!
To prevent conflicts and to ease viewing, with software I move all same channel events inside a same track. I had different problems with my 3 softwares each with its own peculiarities, in particular, do not put notes in track "0". This file fixed all errors.
Also, I am still struggling with Scala, I cannot see the global fine tuning command after setting "SET FREQUENCY 440.0 9". The retune'd file therefore has A not = 440.0, all but C is tuned to the standard frequency.
Other problems I find with Scala - cannot make a midi file from .seq filecannot show pitchwheel events in seq file converted from mid file, there is an error message like "the file is already tuned, no pitchwheel command will be added", and no pitchwheel messages appeared in the output seq file. But re-tuning a midi file is ok.
Regards,violinissimo, or Linus Liu

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Linus Liu <cflliu@...> wrote:

> Also, I am still struggling with Scala, I cannot see the global fine tuning command after setting "SET FREQUENCY 440.0 9". The retune'd file therefore has A not = 440.0, all but C is tuned to the standard frequency.

To get an A 440, put in a line

0 frequency 261.6255653

in the seq file. But I thought this was the default?

> Other problems I find with Scala - cannot make a midi file from .seq

Do you go to the tools menu and invoke "Transform sequence to midi file"? If so, what happens?

Hello Linus,

Dear Marcel,
> >my conclusion was virtually no tunings that do not both have all notes
> very close to 12TET and contain all 12 notes will work to make it sound
> "like Beethoven intended". Feel free to post the mp3 after the competition
> if you want, though.
>

You're quoting Michael here, not me I hope you realize this?

Seems like I want to cheer you up. But you made some mistake here, to sound
> "like Beethoven intended" does not need to have notes close to 12TET, in
> fact the farther they are off, the better the musical feeling.
>

Me, I'm all against 12tet :)
But again I think this part of your mail is directed at Michael?

> Traditional "rules" in harmony discouraged "parallel octaves" and the like
> to make way for this.
>
>

> Here you are, attached. To simplify the comparison, I put the tuned
> channels to tracks 5, 6, 7, 8. The original tracks are 1, 2, 3, 4. I use
> both the "solo" and "mute" buttons to quickly switch between the tuned and
> un-tuned tracks. You can put whatever samples to test them, I suggest
> strings, solo or ensemble, it will sound more like it. Many of the notes are
> tuned to the open strings. BTW he scale used is already inside the scales
> archive!
>

Great entry! :)
Many thanks.
Offcourse I'll happily accept it.
And it sounds great.
I'll be curious to learn the tuning used, it sounds wild but in a good and
acceptable way to me. (but feel free to keep this to yourself till after the
voting has ended if you wish)

>
> To prevent conflicts and to ease viewing, with software I move all same
> channel events inside a same track. I had different problems with my 3
> softwares each with its own peculiarities, in particular, do not put notes
> in track "0". This file fixed all errors.
>
> Also, I am still struggling with Scala, I cannot see the global fine tuning
> command after setting "SET FREQUENCY 440.0 9". The retune'd file therefore
> has A not = 440.0, all but C is tuned to the standard frequency.
>

No problem, the A440 was more of a guideline, I'm fine with other reference
notes.
Btw the way I set the A to 440 myself is by calculating the C relative to
the A at 440 (so for instance if the A = 5/3, then I do 440 / 5 * 3 for my C
reference frequency)

> Other problems I find with Scala -
> cannot make a midi file from .seq file
>

Hmm this is strange.
Have you tried loading one of my sequence files to see if they work?
Just to rule out an mistake error in the seq file you're using. (i've had
that happen to me a couple of times)

> cannot show pitchwheel events in seq file converted from mid file, there is
> an error message like "the file is already tuned, no pitchwheel command will
> be added", and no pitchwheel messages appeared in the output seq file. But
> re-tuning a midi file is ok.
>

Yes i think this is how it's supposed to go. You can make some adjustments
to how scala handles pitch bends allready in the midi i think but not sure
how (or if)

>
> Regards,
> violinissimo, or Linus Liu
>

Kind regards,
Marcel