The Vast Future Of Music, And, How Big Will The Numbers Become?

One of the things that never ceases to amaze me is the similaritys that I find between other microtonal composers, and myself when I post emails to the group, the personalitys are very similar, eccentric, mathematically minded, creative, alternative...

Many thanks for all the good, positive comments!!!

I have, actually, often woundered how big the numbers will become in physics, and especially music, and it also amazes me as to how limited human perception is.

(Todays theoretical mathematics is used by tomorrows practical physics).

I mean, could one really distinguish between prime-limit Just Intonation based on the trillionth prime, and hear the difference between this and the trillionth-and-oneth prime?

Obviously not, because with HUGE prime numbers, then recognizeability becomes an issue.

There is this AMAZING website belonging to Mr.Raymond Kurzweil:

http://www.kurzweilai.net/index.html?flash=1

....and it is the sort of thing that he would predict, cyborgs, the singularity, artificial intelligence, teleportation, vast life extension, nanotechnology, biotechnology etc....

I am aware that there was a composer called David Cope who made a computer programme called SARA, which made music in 12ET which sounded very human like, and would this be related to the chess-music computer programme Ludwig?

I wounder....

The problem with Ludwig and SARA, is that they are designed with 12ET in mind, and the AI-human-sounding-music-produceing-code for xET and microtonality may be a variation on this code, -but then, I'd be guessing.....

According to mr.Raymond Kurzweil, artificial intelligence with the capacity of one human brain is only 10 years away, if his calculations are correct, and if Moore's law holds.

LET US HOPE THAT MICROTONALITY WILL NEVER DIE OUT!!!!

(Sorry for yelling....).

I have often woundered if in the 2030's that there will be normal non-absolute pitch possors, who become cyborgs with neural implants who could be given absolute pitch, by having the structure and the function of their brain altered.

Check this out:

http://www.pnas.org/content/95/6/3172.full

I mean, could an enhanced human cyborg be given absolute pitch, if they didn't have it, by neural alteration and emulation?

Who knows....

Many people, however, would say that this is all science fiction, and fantasy, and Mr.Ray Kurzweils predictions have been theoretically extrapolated, but that is predictions will not happen.

At one stage I remember hearing that a prediction was made about the speed of public transport sucessively doubleing with in a certian time frame, and that the light speed barrier by the late 1990's should have been broken by public transport, but we all know that this hasn't happened, so we have to be careful in extrapolateing predictions.

I do know that mathematicians deal with almost indescribeably big numbers:

http://www.mrob.com/pub/math/largenum.html

...but how big will the numbers become in microtonal music? I wounder....

I have experimented with tryadic formula on waveforms in my diary, bur the numbers generated by these are HUGE, and to impractical to be used.

Still, cyborgs perception of music may be much deeper, richer, and mabey cyborgs could distuniguish between the trillionth prime and the trillion-and-oneth prime in Just Intonation with primes this big, -my point being that THE NUMBERS IN "THEIR" MUSIC WILL BE MUCH, MUCH BIGGER.....

Do any of you chess variant-playing-microtonalits have any comments about the websites which I have given you, and how big the numbers will become in the future of music, cyborgs, neural structure of absolute pitch possesors, and if technology will ever give non-bsolute pitch possesors, well, er....absolute pitch, and artificial intelligence produceing human sounding microtonal music.

What I do know is that absolute pitch does have a genetic components to it.

Any comments?

----Sarn.

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yes

is it still art if music is produced and consumed by artificial beings who
do not have emotion?

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--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:

> is it still art if music is produced and consumed by artificial
> beings who do not have emotion?

Chris,

why couldn't artificial beings have emotions?

Kalle Aho

If you mean microtonal composers (or some authors of contemporary pop styles) and their consumers, then yes :-)

If you mean robots, then no.

Daniel Forro

On 9 Feb 2010, at 10:23 PM, Chris Vaisvil wrote:

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