[tuning] [MMM] Bach - Praeambulum in C Major in Just Intonation

Simple little piece by Bach tuned to Tonal-JI.
If you listen closely you'll hear a few lovely microtones reminiscent of
blues and arabic music.
May take some of you a few listens to get used to the JI though as it sure
isn't 12tet :)

Had planned to retune a performance by Gould but Melodyne isn't yet up to
it.
So it's a Pianoteq rendering instead.

You can download the mp3's of the JI version and a 12tet for comparison at
www.develde.net

I'll give the direct mp3 links here but I'm not entirely sure if direct
links work.
JI: BWV924_(JI).mp3<http://sites.google.com/site/develdenet/mp3/BWV924_%28JI%29.mp3?attredirects=0&d=1>
12tet: BWV924_(12tet).mp3<http://sites.google.com/site/develdenet/mp3/BWV924_%2812tet%29.mp3?attredirects=0&d=1>

Hope you enjoy!

Marcel

ImO,in these non-dynamic/non-creative midi realizations both versions are the same bad

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Marcel de Velde <m.develde@...> wrote:
>
> Simple little piece by Bach tuned to Tonal-JI.
> If you listen closely you'll hear a few lovely microtones reminiscent of
> blues and arabic music.
> May take some of you a few listens to get used to the JI though as it sure
> isn't 12tet :)
>
> Had planned to retune a performance by Gould but Melodyne isn't yet up to
> it.
> So it's a Pianoteq rendering instead.
>
> You can download the mp3's of the JI version and a 12tet for comparison at
> www.develde.net
>
> I'll give the direct mp3 links here but I'm not entirely sure if direct
> links work.
> JI: BWV924_(JI).mp3<http://sites.google.com/site/develdenet/mp3/BWV924_%28JI%29.mp3?attredirects=0&d=1>
> 12tet: BWV924_(12tet).mp3<http://sites.google.com/site/develdenet/mp3/BWV924_%2812tet%29.mp3?attredirects=0&d=1>
>
> Hope you enjoy!
>
> Marcel
>

>
> ImO,in these non-dynamic/non-creative midi realizations both versions are
> the same bad
>

I didn't make this for performance listening pleasure.
I made it for tuning listening pleasure.

I tried retuning a nice performance with Melodyne but it didn't work out.
Melodyne doesn't like this piece and there's nothing I can do.
I could indeed try to make the midi good before rendering with Pianoteq, but
it's never going to be like a real performance anyhow.
It wouldn't be anything I'd listen to at home for listening pleasure, I'd
allways prefer a real recording.
So I thought why bother and posted these mp3's for tuning listening only.

I don't ever see myself making any serious classical music rendering with
Pianoteq.
Though what just came to mind is that the Hauptwerk organ is in my opinion
up to a beautifull rendering of such a piece.
I'll go work on that! :)

Marcel

marcel,To my mind, creativity and imagination always trump their various sieves and filters and efferent and afferent hurdles, and tuning---ANY tuning---is no different in this basic, comparative regard.to put it another way,music is not at the service of the tuning unless it is your sole design AND inspired will, and I've yet to experience many "inspired wills" that took this appraoch.
it's been my experience that creativity and imagination in music transcend the ideology of tuning (and even skill) in such disproportion that it's a not even funny......and i'm sorry to say, but after some 25 yeras as a so-called microtonalist, i think this is a point that's more-often-than-not ignored in the fervor to "microtone" and "intonate".

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Marcel de Velde <m.develde@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > ImO,in these non-dynamic/non-creative midi realizations both versions are
> > the same bad
> >
>
> I didn't make this for performance listening pleasure.
> I made it for tuning listening pleasure.
>
> I tried retuning a nice performance with Melodyne but it didn't work out.
> Melodyne doesn't like this piece and there's nothing I can do.
> I could indeed try to make the midi good before rendering with Pianoteq, but
> it's never going to be like a real performance anyhow.
> It wouldn't be anything I'd listen to at home for listening pleasure, I'd
> allways prefer a real recording.
> So I thought why bother and posted these mp3's for tuning listening only.
>
> I don't ever see myself making any serious classical music rendering with
> Pianoteq.
> Though what just came to mind is that the Hauptwerk organ is in my opinion
> up to a beautifull rendering of such a piece.
> I'll go work on that! :)
>
> Marcel
>

> marcel,To my mind, creativity and imagination always trump their various
> sieves and filters and efferent and afferent hurdles, and tuning---ANY
> tuning---is no different in this basic, comparative regard.to put it
> another way,music is not at the service of the tuning unless it is your sole
> design AND inspired will, and I've yet to experience many "inspired wills"
> that took this appraoch.
> it's been my experience that creativity and imagination in music transcend
> the ideology of tuning (and even skill) in such disproportion that it's a
> not even funny......and i'm sorry to say, but after some 25 yeras as a
> so-called microtonalist, i think this is a point that's more-often-than-not
> ignored in the fervor to "microtone" and "intonate".
>

Look, I just posted these mp3's to listen to the tuning.
It's just like posting a midi file only mp3 is easyer to listen to for many
people.
It's not ment as a musical performance or expression or anything like that.
Just tuning math.

But I do feel you're doing tuning a disservice by saying music is not at the
service of the tuning.
Tuning is in my opinion allways of great importance. But that's a whole
different discussion.

Though I hope most people here can listen to the mp3's and just hear the
tuning and form an opinion on the tuning of the piece, regardless of
performance.
I think the tuning itself is of prime interest to most people here.

Marcel

in your last sentence, which i agree with BTW, you find the cult-like impetus for 90% of everything that's discussed in these microtonal forums......and this is coming from someone who IS seriously interested in the minutia of this niche groups theory and nomenclature et al. But, tuning ideology in the absence of musical creativity and imagination is anathema to me, and the death-knell of microtonality to a wider artistic milieu .

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Marcel de Velde <m.develde@...> wrote:
>
> > marcel,To my mind, creativity and imagination always trump their various
> > sieves and filters and efferent and afferent hurdles, and tuning---ANY
> > tuning---is no different in this basic, comparative regard.to put it
> > another way,music is not at the service of the tuning unless it is your sole
> > design AND inspired will, and I've yet to experience many "inspired wills"
> > that took this appraoch.
> > it's been my experience that creativity and imagination in music transcend
> > the ideology of tuning (and even skill) in such disproportion that it's a
> > not even funny......and i'm sorry to say, but after some 25 yeras as a
> > so-called microtonalist, i think this is a point that's more-often-than-not
> > ignored in the fervor to "microtone" and "intonate".
> >
>
> Look, I just posted these mp3's to listen to the tuning.
> It's just like posting a midi file only mp3 is easyer to listen to for many
> people.
> It's not ment as a musical performance or expression or anything like that.
> Just tuning math.
>
> But I do feel you're doing tuning a disservice by saying music is not at the
> service of the tuning.
> Tuning is in my opinion allways of great importance. But that's a whole
> different discussion.
>
> Though I hope most people here can listen to the mp3's and just hear the
> tuning and form an opinion on the tuning of the piece, regardless of
> performance.
> I think the tuning itself is of prime interest to most people here.
>
> Marcel
>

I have composed only xenharmonic music for a few years now. Lately using only Carlos Gamma tuning system. By itself a particular tuning does not mean much to me. I want to find out what I can do with it.
Probably I could choose ANY tuning and stay with it for a long time and enjoy benefits and drawbacks of it. I chose Carlos Gamma because of what Wendy Carlos said about it (I am a fan of her!).
Probably I am part of a minority here if Marcel is correct!

> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Marcel de Velde <m.develde@> wrote:
> >

> > I think the tuning itself is of prime interest to most people here.
> >
> > Marcel