Something really weird for your ears

Hi tuners,

before I tell you what it is and where it comes from, I'll let you hear it first. I'm sure many of you will like it.
www.sendspace.com/file/wr963x

Petr

Petr

This is truly awesome!!! Is csound involved?

Production details please! It is so inspiring!

Chris

2010/1/29 Petr Pařízek <p.parizek@...>

>
>
> Hi tuners,
>
> before I tell you what it is and where it comes from, I'll let you hear it
> first. I'm sure many of you will like it.
> www.sendspace.com/file/wr963x
>
> Petr
>
>
>

> before I tell you what it is and where it comes from, I'll let you hear it
> first. I'm sure many of you will like it.
> www.sendspace.com/file/wr963x
>

Nice!
I'm guessing a modern sampler like for instance V-synth.

Marcel

It looks like the part of the original soundtrack for Avatar, too
shocking for director, so in the end he refused and selected what he
selected, which was his big mistake :-)

No, seriously... After the first rough silent midnight listening from
the miniature mono computer speaker, with noisy accompaniment of more
HD and ventilators, I would think it's one of your new recordings
(let's don't call it composition) and you did it mainly with your
voice. I don't doubt about your ability to do everything in the tune
you wanted, I just wonder how many tracks you have used here for allthose playbacks. Or maybe you used some harmonizer (or pitch shifter)
plugin for those chords? And why Italian title, I've heard rather
some Swahili or Xhosa (or was it Navi)?

Daniel Forro

On 29 Jan 2010, at 9:45 PM, Petr Pařízek wrote:

>
> Hi tuners,
>
> before I tell you what it is and where it comes from, I'll let you
> hear it
> first. I'm sure many of you will like it.
> www.sendspace.com/file/wr963x
>
> Petr
>

Hi all.

#1. Csound was not used. I made a few "shots" with my good old analog four-track recorder, then I transferred them into my PC and made lots of weird things with them using sound editors like CoolEdit or Sound Forge. I'm planning to make a higher-quality recording of this piece one day. I used a maximum of 7 layers of my voice to make the clusters and chords (that's the reason why there's so much noise there; the pre-amp itself is pretty noisy and mixing 7 layers of that makes it even noisier). There weren't pitch shifters or harmonizers used but conventional speeding up or slowing down was used. Apart from that, there were also some narrow bandpass filters in a few places, chained flanger and non-linear distortion.

#2. The reason for the Italian title was just the simple fact that "Non c'era nessuno" sounds nicer to me than the Czech "Nebyl tam nikdo". The words aren't in any particular language, I simply took a couple of persons' names used in some foreign languages, altered their pronunciation a bit to the way I liked, and made a few anagrams with them. The main reason why I decided to record this piece was some sort of protest against those devices and plugins for automatic intonation correction which have been used so often in popular music for the last 10 years or so (which makes it sometimes impossible to distinguish a singer who has been developping his/her intonation for years from someone who sings out of tune without electronic "post-processing"). The only consolation for people like us may be that those "tools", at least for the time being, are able to round off the pitches only to 12-equal.

Petr

PS: It would be interesting to hear what the stripped part of the Avatar soundtrack sounded like. :-)

Petr,

A really impressive tour de force with conventional digital processing. My
hat is off to you!

Why I guessed Csound is because of a demonstration piece Unwanted Flight
which I rendered here

http://www.traxinspace.com/song/40867
(charlie is the name of one of my ferrets)

chris

2010/1/29 Petr Pařízek <p.parizek@...>

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> 
>
> Hi all.
>
> #1. Csound was not used. I made a few "shots" with my good old analog
> four-track recorder, then I transferred them into my PC and made lots of
> weird things with them using sound editors like CoolEdit or Sound Forge. I'm
> planning to make a higher-quality recording of this piece one day. I used a
> maximum of 7 layers of my voice to make the clusters
>

But some artists and producers used autotune effect quite creatively,
with exaggerated setting which had pretty strange artificially
sounding voice in the result. That was interesting but in certain
time it became almost fashion and started to be boring.

I didn't studied deeply but if I'm not wrong in autotuners is
possible to set diatonic scales, and some tolerance to vibrato...

Daniel Forro

On 30 Jan 2010, at 1:18 AM, Petr Pařízek wrote:

> The main reason why I decided to record this piece was some sort
> of protest against those devices and plugins for automatic > intonation correction which have been used so often in popular
> music for the last 10 years or so (which makes it sometimes
> impossible to distinguish a singer who has been developping his/her
> intonation for years from someone who sings out of tune without
> electronic "post-processing"). The only consolation for people like
> us may be that those "tools", at least for the time being, are able
> to round off the pitches only to 12-equal.
>
> Petr
>

for what it is worth

Sonar 8.5 came with V-vocal by Roland. In that application you can
manipulate any monophonic line to +/- 1 cent - manually. While I'd hate to
tune a 5 minute 6 instrument piece it is possible to do microtonal tunings
via this application. The caveat is the further away for the original source
the more unrealistic it gets - at least with sounds that have a format
filter - like voice or guitar.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Daniel Forró <dan.for@...> wrote:

>
>
> But some artists and producers used autotune effect quite creatively,
> with exaggerated setting which had pretty strange artificially
> sounding voice in the result. That was interesting but in certain
> time it became almost fashion and started to be boring.
>
> I didn't studied deeply but if I'm not wrong in autotuners is
> possible to set diatonic scales, and some tolerance to vibrato...
>
> Daniel Forro
>
>
> On 30 Jan 2010, at 1:18 AM, Petr Pařízek wrote:
>
> > The main reason why I decided to record this piece was some sort
> > of protest against those devices and plugins for automatic
> > intonation correction which have been used so often in popular
> > music for the last 10 years or so (which makes it sometimes
> > impossible to distinguish a singer who has been developping his/her
> > intonation for years from someone who sings out of tune without
> > electronic "post-processing"). The only consolation for people like
> > us may be that those "tools", at least for the time being, are able
> > to round off the pitches only to 12-equal.
> >
> > Petr
> >
>
>
>

Hi Chris,

thanks for the link.
Sounds interesting.

Where do the formant filters come from?

Petr

format filter is in the case what I am describing a natural property of a
human voice or a guitar.
It is in effect another filter on top of the sound.

This is why a voice played back at different speeds sound so unnatural.

Perhaps someone can give a more technical explanation.

2010/1/29 Petr Pařízek <p.parizek@...>

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>
> 
> Hi Chris,
>
> thanks for the link.
> Sounds interesting.
>
> Where do the formant filters come from?
>
> Petr
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>
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>

I wasn't asking what a formant filter was. I was asking where you got those formant filters in your piece.

Petr

it is a csound example file - I'd suggest looking there.
I'm not a csound expert - I'm sorry.

2010/1/29 Petr Pařízek <p.parizek@...>

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> 
> I wasn't asking what a formant filter was. I was asking where you got those
> formant filters in your piece.
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> Petr
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I really enjoyed it! Lovely rhythmic sounds and some beautiful cloudy harmonies later.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Petr Pařízek <p.parizek@...> wrote:
>
> Hi tuners,
>
> before I tell you what it is and where it comes from, I'll let you hear it
> first. I'm sure many of you will like it.
> www.sendspace.com/file/wr963x
>
> Petr
>