[tuning] New Drei Equale JI version

I made a new JI version of Beethoven's Drei Equale No1.

I now personally see this version as the correct in tune version.
I do not expect many others to share this belief :)

It's available now for listening at www.develde.net

I came to this version both by logic and by ear, and I guess it was just a
matter of time before the piece ended up like this.

First the ear. Recently a friend of mine who listened to my previous JI
version for the first time commented about the first minor chord not
sounding right to him (this was a normal 10:12:15 minor chord).
I could actually not do anything else but agree with him. A 10:12:15 chord
here has bothered me for allmost a year now, and I've tried many other
options, like a 16:19:24 minor, a 27:32:40 minor, and others, but couldn't
make that work out when going to a 4:5:6 major after that etc couldn't make
it work theoretically either.
Many other things that bothered me, like a little note on measure 12.3 that
sounded too low going down 16/15 etc, and the overal "tragic" feel of the
piece went a bit lost to me, including the ending.
Yet I could see no other way that gives JI consonance yet preserved melodies
(no comma shifting) than my previous JI transcription.

The way I got to this new version by logic was in developing further what
makes a modulation in JI.
To make a long story short, I'm still working on this one and expect to be
working on it for quite some time.
But as far as I've gotten now, I can say Beethoven's Drei Equale No1 does
NOT contain any modulations. The whole piece is in a single tonic.
Now that changes things a LOT.
(btw for a piece with modulations listen to my computer algorythm choir
piece which randomly modulates in all directions)

Basically what I ended up with in this new JI retuning of Drei Equale is the
whole piece in a single harmonic 5-limit permutation scale of 1/1 16/15 9/8
6/5 5/4 4/3 45/32 3/2 8/5 5/3 9/5 15/8 2/1 where C = 1/1.
The piece is more dissonant overall than 12tet this way, yet I hear it as
correct. And it surely has character this way! :)

Well I was hoping for a shocking correct JI among the submissions of the
retuning contest, but it seems like I have now done this myself.
It sure is shocking.
I do not think many of you will agree with me and think this JI version is
correct, but hope some of you will.
One thing is for sure, I can kiss my €100.- goodbye hehe. No way this one is
going to win the voting of the contest :)
But I don't mind, couldn't be happyer than I'm now :)

Marcel

Funny thing.
So far the 3 people I've played this version to, all loved it and said it
sounded beautifull and right amongst other things.
Completely not what I expected.

I'm expecting just about everybody to say they haven't heard a more out of
tune piece ever.
I'm really curious about opinions from this list.
If you've heard it, please let me know what you think about it.
I've rendered the piece with 2 different sounds.
One a dark trombone sound which is sadly the most natural trombone sound I
have right now, but it doesn't have many overtones so dissonant harmonies
aren't very clear.
The other trombone sound is very bright with lots of overtones, which makes
maximally clear dissonant harmonies (it does this even better than an
unfiltered saw wave in my opinion).

Marcel
www.develde.net

Ok sorry false alarm.
I now see the first part in the tonic of E, and have yet to re-analyse the
rest of the piece, but there must be several modulations in there.
First I put modulations everywhere, then I put the whole piece in one tonic,
the truth is somewhere inbetween.
I'll give a shout when the piece is finished (I have till March 21st :)
For now I only put the beginning of the JI in E on my website. Removed the
wrong JI version.
The 12tet MIDI is offcourse still up there for the competition.

Marcel
www.develde.net

Just to update this thread.
The new version is now ready.
Mp3, midi and scala sequence file are up at www.develde.net

Marcel

2010/1/17 Marcel de Velde <m.develde@...>

> Ok sorry false alarm.
> I now see the first part in the tonic of E, and have yet to re-analyse the
> rest of the piece, but there must be several modulations in there.
> First I put modulations everywhere, then I put the whole piece in one
> tonic, the truth is somewhere inbetween.
> I'll give a shout when the piece is finished (I have till March 21st :)
> For now I only put the beginning of the JI in E on my website. Removed the
> wrong JI version.
> The 12tet MIDI is offcourse still up there for the competition.
>
> Marcel
> www.develde.net
>

Ok last time I'm replying to myself :)

I realise I've posted way too often that I've finally solved the Drei Equale
in Just Intonation.
And that by now I've lost most credibility and almost nobody is listening
anymore.

But the version I posted 4 days ago I truly think is correct.
I personally have no question in my mind anymore if it is, all my questions
I had about this piece are solved in it both theoretically and according to
my ear.
So I think it deserves a listen.
It captures the tragedy and emotions of the piece unlike I've ever heard
before, and sounds "perfect in tune" to me.
I hope you can hear this too.

I'll now go work on good sounds to render it with a make a good preformance
out of it.
Tuning is finally done :)

To listen it's on my website offcourse, both as mp3 and midi.
www.develde.net

Btw yes this is the version I'll bring to the competition.
Though the competition doesn't have as much purpose for me personally
anymore since it's impossible now that I will see my version as other than
the only correct version, the competition itself is offcourse still on. So
if you disagree that my tuning isn't 100% correct and think it can be better
in any way then feel free to enter your own version :)

Marcel