Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup tuning Prelude & Fugue in 20ET

The prelude is about 4 minutes, and the fugue (a3) about 5 minutes. I put them together in this mp3.

<http://www.h-pi.com/mp3/20ETPreludeFugue.mp3>

I used the "Campell's Harpsichord" soundfont for this recording, (the one tweaked by Graham Breed; thanks Graham) which can be downloaded here:
<http://www.h-pi.com/downloads.html#SoundFonts>

More music from the Equal Tempered Keyboard project, from 7ET through 20ET so far:
<http://www.h-pi.com/musicFiles.html>

Cheers,
Aaron
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🔗Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...>

Gargoylesque! A twistedly charming touch of the Gothic Baroque. You
are to be commended for mixing old school with avant-garde so
strikingly and with such finesse Aaron Andrew. Bravo! This is quite
enjoyable. I am immersed into the "crookedness" of 20-tET so suddenly
and soon familiarized with the tuning so unexpectedly. Keep up the
good work!

Cordially,
Oz.

✩ ✩ ✩
www.ozanyarman.com

On Oct 17, 2009, at 12:12 AM, Aaron Andrew Hunt wrote:

🔗Aaron Johnson <aaron@...>

Simply fantastic! Like I've said before, you've nailed the neo-Bach thing.
From surface details to overall affect and architecture, it's like you are
pulling JS screaming through the xentonal prism. You compositional prowess
is again in evidence.

Bravo on the relationship between the fugue theme and the prelude motive in
outline. And, the Bach harmonic and gestural language with a 5/8 fugue theme
an 20-tet makes for a wonderfully geeky head-exploding experience! My only
critique is that it would be great to hear something of a less rigid
performance.

When are you going to do something with augmentation ala WTC book 1 in
c-sharp minor?

I'm surprised more people haven't commented on how great this is....

AKJ

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Aaron Andrew Hunt <aaronhunt@...>wrote:

> The prelude is about 4 minutes, and the fugue (a3) about 5 minutes. I
> put them together in this mp3.
>
> <http://www.h-pi.com/mp3/20ETPreludeFugue.mp3>
>
> I used the "Campell's Harpsichord" soundfont for this recording, (the
> one tweaked by Graham Breed; thanks Graham) which can be downloaded
> here:
> <http://www.h-pi.com/downloads.html#SoundFonts>
>
> More music from the Equal Tempered Keyboard project, from 7ET through
> 20ET so far:
> <http://www.h-pi.com/musicFiles.html>
>
> Cheers,
> Aaron
> =====
> Aaron Hunt
> H-Pi Instruments
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🔗Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>

I need to add to the praise here for this piece.

Excellent music - the logic of the composition makes the tuning completely
acceptable to my ears. I think that is the most startling aspect of this
composition.

Chris
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Aaron Andrew Hunt <aaronhunt@...>wrote:

>
>
> The prelude is about 4 minutes, and the fugue (a3) about 5 minutes. I
> put them together in this mp3.
>
> <http://www.h-pi.com/mp3/20ETPreludeFugue.mp3>
>
> I used the "Campell's Harpsichord" soundfont for this recording, (the
> one tweaked by Graham Breed; thanks Graham) which can be downloaded
> here:
> <http://www.h-pi.com/downloads.html#SoundFonts>
>
> More music from the Equal Tempered Keyboard project, from 7ET through
> 20ET so far:
> <http://www.h-pi.com/musicFiles.html>
>
> Cheers,
> Aaron
> =====
> Aaron Hunt
> H-Pi Instruments
>
> Please note that I choose not to be involved in discussions of things
> H-Pi related outside of the H-Pi forums,
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> participate.
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🔗daniel_anthony_stearns <daniel_anthony_stearns@...>

i've never heard AAH do anything in any tuning in "lingua franca Bach" that was anything less than impressive...and that he so often picks the ugly duckling EDOs to Bach in only makes it all a little more spicy and interesting to my mind
thanks for sharing!

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Andrew Hunt <aaronhunt@...> wrote:
>
> The prelude is about 4 minutes, and the fugue (a3) about 5 minutes. I
> put them together in this mp3.
>
> <http://www.h-pi.com/mp3/20ETPreludeFugue.mp3>
>
> I used the "Campell's Harpsichord" soundfont for this recording, (the
> one tweaked by Graham Breed; thanks Graham) which can be downloaded
> here:
> <http://www.h-pi.com/downloads.html#SoundFonts>
>
> More music from the Equal Tempered Keyboard project, from 7ET through
> 20ET so far:
> <http://www.h-pi.com/musicFiles.html>
>
> Cheers,
> Aaron
> =====
> Aaron Hunt
> H-Pi Instruments
>
> Please note that I choose not to be involved in discussions of things
> H-Pi related outside of the H-Pi forums,
> </tuning/topicId_unknown.html#74905>
> and I cordially invite everyone who is interested to please join and
> participate.
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🔗monz <joemonz@...>

🔗hpiinstruments <aaronhunt@...>

Ozan, AKJ, Chris, Daniel, Monz -- thank you guys.

Monz, I look forward to your rendition of Blackwood's 21ET
etude. Amazing he did all that 40 years ago with no guide
at all and no sequencing / notation software like we have
today... a pioneer for sure, and the book is likewise
required reading.

AKJ, I agree it's too mechanical sounding at times. If only
I could find a professional keyboard player to record all
of these pieces (hint hint!) 20ET starts reaching the limits of
playability so I'm not sure how much further to go. Beyond
this I think I'll have to start writing explicitly for 2 keyboards
and be very careful with the physical movements for the
player. C# minor - great piece; thanks for the nudge. I
need to get some new recordings of the WTC; I've basically
worn out my Gould recordings. I wish Wolfgang Rubsam
would record WTC. He's recorded the French and English
suites very nicely and his style is so different from Gould it
makes everything sound new.

AAH
=====

> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Andrew Hunt <aaronhunt@> wrote:
> >
> > The prelude is about 4 minutes, and the fugue (a3) about 5 minutes. I
> > put them together in this mp3.
> >
> > <http://www.h-pi.com/mp3/20ETPreludeFugue.mp3>
> >
> > <snip>
>

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@...>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "hpiinstruments" <aaronhunt@...> wrote:

> I wish Wolfgang Rubsam
> would record WTC. He's recorded the French and English
> suites very nicely and his style is so different from Gould it
> makes everything sound new.

I'm a big devotee of Gould's Bach. This Rubsam character
sounds interesting. Is there a Bach recording of his you'd
recommend?

From his Wikipedia bio:
"Wolfgang Rübsam is also working as a licensed barber at his
own barber shop in Valparaiso, Indiana, and as composer for the
publishing houses Augsburg Fortress in Minneapolis, Minnesota
and Schott Music in Mainz, Germany."

The website of the barbershop in question:
http://www.wolfsbarbershop.com/

"The only privately wind powered barbershop in the world"

-Carl

🔗hpiinstruments <aaronhunt@...>

Wow, I knew about the outrageous mustache, but had no
idea about his wind powered barbering activities! He is
best known as an organist, and I have most of his Bach
organ recordings on Naxos. Leipzig and Kirnberger chorale
Preludes (both in 2 volumes) are some favorites. Also, the
Art of Fugue. There are a couple other recordings done on
meantone organs, but I have to say for Bach those aren't
my favorites. Only recently I started hearing his piano
playing through Pandora internet radio, and found it
refreshing.

Rubsam's style is controversial, to be sure. You may love it or
hate it. My teacher David Mulbury (student of Helmut Walcha)
criticized his playing forcefully. In a nutshell, he champions
the 'agogic accent', which is quite different from the more
'straight ahead' style of the Walcha school.

Another favorite keyboardist is wild-man Anthony Newman.
His 4 volume set of Bach organ works on Newport Classics are
totally peerless. A real shame they are out of print. The organ
is in a stunningly gorgeous well temperament, the details of
which are not to be found on the CDs.

Cheers,
AAH
=====

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "hpiinstruments" <aaronhunt@> wrote:
>
> > I wish Wolfgang Rubsam
> > would record WTC. He's recorded the French and English
> > suites very nicely and his style is so different from Gould it
> > makes everything sound new.
>
> I'm a big devotee of Gould's Bach. This Rubsam character
> sounds interesting. Is there a Bach recording of his you'd
> recommend?
>
> From his Wikipedia bio:
> "Wolfgang Rübsam is also working as a licensed barber at his
> own barber shop in Valparaiso, Indiana, and as composer for the
> publishing houses Augsburg Fortress in Minneapolis, Minnesota
> and Schott Music in Mainz, Germany."
>
> The website of the barbershop in question:
> http://www.wolfsbarbershop.com/
>
> "The only privately wind powered barbershop in the world"
>
> !
>
> -Carl
>

🔗Aaron Johnson <aaron@...>

In a funny twist of fate/synchronicity, AAH, you have mentioned two players
who I've had contact with at my two different schools.

First, when I was at SUNY Purchase as an undergrad, Anthony Newman was
teaching there. I had him for a couple of keyboard repertoire classes. He is
a funny person, and a brilliant player. His manner is one that I found oddly
lizard-like in person, but always pleasant and positive. His Bach playing
starting getting sloppy as the years went on, mostly because he lusted after
faster and faster tempi to the point of insanity. Incidentally, I premiered
a composition of his for electric guitar and piano in 1992 (at the
school)...a combination I've written a few pieces for myself.

Secondly, I went to Northwestern for grad school. As piano major in the 1
year degree program, I took an organ minor. I studied with Margaret Kemper,
but Rubsam was there (this was when NU had an organ dept.!) and he heard my
juries. I was flattered that he wanted me to become an organ major....either
I was better than I thought at the time, or they were short on students, or
a combination.
Anyway, he's another eccentric, brilliant musician, and a real character in
person, he looked like a shaved-headed Debussy with a crazy moustache and a
bowtie. Weird about the barbershop....he also apparantly has a high tech
barn with his Indiana home which houses a pipe organ and recording studio.

I enjoy Rubsam's organ playing on the Phillips label from the 70's, but,
like Newman, his playing got weirder and weirder as he got older....his Bach
started getting more and more rubato...at times it sounded, from what I
remember, like whole beats would be shifted against one another, and extra
half beats seemed inserted into measures.....a genius who is bored? Who
knows, but not my cup of tea....I'm more for the straight-ahead Walcha way
myself, or somewhere reasonable in between...I like the way a guitarist like
John Williams expressed Bach and I wish more pianists would take note of
that way, and not blindly copy Gould or Schiff, brilliant thought they may
be at their best:)

AKJ

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 7:59 PM, hpiinstruments <aaronhunt@...> wrote:

> Wow, I knew about the outrageous mustache, but had no
> idea about his wind powered barbering activities! He is
> best known as an organist, and I have most of his Bach
> organ recordings on Naxos. Leipzig and Kirnberger chorale
> Preludes (both in 2 volumes) are some favorites. Also, the
> Art of Fugue. There are a couple other recordings done on
> meantone organs, but I have to say for Bach those aren't
> my favorites. Only recently I started hearing his piano
> playing through Pandora internet radio, and found it
> refreshing.
>
> Rubsam's style is controversial, to be sure. You may love it or
> hate it. My teacher David Mulbury (student of Helmut Walcha)
> criticized his playing forcefully. In a nutshell, he champions
> the 'agogic accent', which is quite different from the more
> 'straight ahead' style of the Walcha school.
>
> Another favorite keyboardist is wild-man Anthony Newman.
> His 4 volume set of Bach organ works on Newport Classics are
> totally peerless. A real shame they are out of print. The organ
> is in a stunningly gorgeous well temperament, the details of
> which are not to be found on the CDs.
>
> Cheers,
> AAH
> =====
>
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "hpiinstruments" <aaronhunt@> wrote:
> >
> > > I wish Wolfgang Rubsam
> > > would record WTC. He's recorded the French and English
> > > suites very nicely and his style is so different from Gould it
> > > makes everything sound new.
> >
> > I'm a big devotee of Gould's Bach. This Rubsam character
> > sounds interesting. Is there a Bach recording of his you'd
> > recommend?
> >
> > From his Wikipedia bio:
> > "Wolfgang Rübsam is also working as a licensed barber at his
> > own barber shop in Valparaiso, Indiana, and as composer for the
> > publishing houses Augsburg Fortress in Minneapolis, Minnesota
> > and Schott Music in Mainz, Germany."
> >
> > The website of the barbershop in question:
> > http://www.wolfsbarbershop.com/
> >
> > "The only privately wind powered barbershop in the world"
> >
> > !
> >
> > -Carl
> >
>
>
>
>
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🔗Carl Lumma <carl@...>

I'll put the Rubsam on my list of things to check out, thanks.
I'm a Newmanaut also -- have all the Bach organ he did in
the '70s for Vox, as well as an album of harpsichord toccatas
and the Goldbergs, though the latter I felt were a little too
showoffy and mechanical, even for him. :) Waitaminute, which
are the Newport organ recordings? Not these:

http://www.amazon.com/J-S-Bach-24-Preludes-Fugues/dp/B001F8ZYIE/
http://www.amazon.com/Bach-24-Preludes-Fugues-Vol/dp/B001FA6QO8/

? (Feel free to reply offlist) Unlike most of the Amazon
reviewers, apparently, I happen to love them.

-Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "hpiinstruments" <aaronhunt@...> wrote:
>
> Wow, I knew about the outrageous mustache, but had no
> idea about his wind powered barbering activities! He is
> best known as an organist, and I have most of his Bach
> organ recordings on Naxos. Leipzig and Kirnberger chorale
> Preludes (both in 2 volumes) are some favorites. Also, the
> Art of Fugue. There are a couple other recordings done on
> meantone organs, but I have to say for Bach those aren't
> my favorites. Only recently I started hearing his piano
> playing through Pandora internet radio, and found it
> refreshing.
>
> Rubsam's style is controversial, to be sure. You may love it or
> hate it. My teacher David Mulbury (student of Helmut Walcha)
> criticized his playing forcefully. In a nutshell, he champions
> the 'agogic accent', which is quite different from the more
> 'straight ahead' style of the Walcha school.
>
> Another favorite keyboardist is wild-man Anthony Newman.
> His 4 volume set of Bach organ works on Newport Classics are
> totally peerless. A real shame they are out of print. The organ
> is in a stunningly gorgeous well temperament, the details of
> which are not to be found on the CDs.
>
> Cheers,
> AAH
> =====
>
>

🔗hpiinstruments <aaronhunt@...>

Carl, those VoxBox are all different recordings, kind of a
mishmash of widely varying quality. I found this link to one of
the NC recordings I'm talking about. They are from the late 80's:
<http://www.jsbach.org/newmanbachpreludesfuguesvoliii.html>
As it says there, the organ is the Reiger at The State University
Of New York at Purchase. I suppose one could find out what the
tuning was on that instrument in 1986 by checking its tuning
log (assuming the organ techs there kept it). I don't know
who would be servicing that instrument. I have 4 CDs from
this set. I heard somewhere there might be a fifth one, but
I can't verify that. They are awe inspiring.

AKJ, that's cool you know both of these players! I do have
some later recordings from Newman which I agree get too out
of control with the speed, to the point of absurdity. But there
is some crazy fast playing on the NC discs which is just brilliant.
Rubsam on the other hand tends to play almost everything at a
snail's pace, and he does do things with that agogic accent which
sometimes are weird, as you say extremely rubato. Each to his
own; I can understand not liking it so much. To me it reveals
a lot of amazing lyricism in Bach's music that can get lost in
more mechanical straight ahead interpretations. Like you say,
a balance between the two is probably best, and I heard Rubsam
striking a balance on these new piano Bach recordings.

Anybody interested in a free listen, stations can be created
using these players' names as seeds at Pandora:
<www.pandora.com> for easy copy and paste:
Anthony Newman
Wolfgang Rubsam

Cheers,
AAH
=====

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@...> wrote:
>
> I'll put the Rubsam on my list of things to check out, thanks.
> I'm a Newmanaut also -- have all the Bach organ he did in
> the '70s for Vox, as well as an album of harpsichord toccatas
> and the Goldbergs, though the latter I felt were a little too
> showoffy and mechanical, even for him. :) Waitaminute, which
> are the Newport organ recordings? Not these:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/J-S-Bach-24-Preludes-Fugues/dp/B001F8ZYIE/
> http://www.amazon.com/Bach-24-Preludes-Fugues-Vol/dp/B001FA6QO8/
>
> ? (Feel free to reply offlist) Unlike most of the Amazon
> reviewers, apparently, I happen to love them.
>
> -Carl
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "hpiinstruments" <aaronhunt@> wrote:
> >
> > Wow, I knew about the outrageous mustache, but had no
> > idea about his wind powered barbering activities! He is
> > best known as an organist, and I have most of his Bach
> > organ recordings on Naxos. Leipzig and Kirnberger chorale
> > Preludes (both in 2 volumes) are some favorites. Also, the
> > Art of Fugue. There are a couple other recordings done on
> > meantone organs, but I have to say for Bach those aren't
> > my favorites. Only recently I started hearing his piano
> > playing through Pandora internet radio, and found it
> > refreshing.
> >
> > Rubsam's style is controversial, to be sure. You may love it or
> > hate it. My teacher David Mulbury (student of Helmut Walcha)
> > criticized his playing forcefully. In a nutshell, he champions
> > the 'agogic accent', which is quite different from the more
> > 'straight ahead' style of the Walcha school.
> >
> > Another favorite keyboardist is wild-man Anthony Newman.
> > His 4 volume set of Bach organ works on Newport Classics are
> > totally peerless. A real shame they are out of print. The organ
> > is in a stunningly gorgeous well temperament, the details of
> > which are not to be found on the CDs.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > AAH
> > =====
> >
> >
>

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@...>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "hpiinstruments" <aaronhunt@...> wrote:
>
> Carl, those VoxBox are all different recordings, kind of a
> mishmash of widely varying quality.

Not in this case... at least, according to the liner notes, they
were all recorded on the same organ around the same time, and
the two volumes sound consistent throughout. Yeah, here it is,
chapel organ at the Wooster School in Danbury, CT. A tracker,
rebuilt by Henderson & Wilson in cooperation with Newman. Tuning
isn't mentioned. Apparently originally released in '76, produced
by Clifford Gilmore and engineered by Michael Whiton.

Doesn't mean they're the same as the NC recordings though, so
I'll definitely keep an eye out for those.

> I found this link to one of
> the NC recordings I'm talking about. They are from the late 80's:
> <http://www.jsbach.org/newmanbachpreludesfuguesvoliii.html>
> As it says there, the organ is the Reiger at The State University
> Of New York at Purchase.

OK, yeah, different. It would be nice to hear these, thanks.

-C.

🔗hpiinstruments <aaronhunt@...>

OK, I didn't know about those recordings. I bought a VoxBox
of Newman some years ago and was disappointed with it. The
organ sounded bad, the recording was out of tune (meaning
reeds were off and mixtures were beating wildly, etc.), the
editing was sloppy and audible, all around a bad CD. I even
recall some tracks that sounded as if splices were made from
recordings done on different instruments! It really was awful.
So, I'm glad to hear that there are other worthwhile VoxBox
recordings of Newman playing Bach. I figured the CDs you
were fond of could not possibly be the one I had bought (and
discarded) so I was just commenting that based on this
experience of mine, the VoxBox CDs are varying in quality,
but likely that CD I bought (from a cutout bin) was pulled.
If I were Newman I would definitely have petitioned to
have it removed from the shelves. Can't imagine anyone
approving of it.

Cheers,
AAH

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "hpiinstruments" <aaronhunt@> wrote:
> >
> > Carl, those VoxBox are all different recordings, kind of a
> > mishmash of widely varying quality.
>
> Not in this case... at least, according to the liner notes, they
> were all recorded on the same organ around the same time, and
> the two volumes sound consistent throughout. Yeah, here it is,
> chapel organ at the Wooster School in Danbury, CT. A tracker,
> rebuilt by Henderson & Wilson in cooperation with Newman. Tuning
> isn't mentioned. Apparently originally released in '76, produced
> by Clifford Gilmore and engineered by Michael Whiton.
>
> Doesn't mean they're the same as the NC recordings though, so
> I'll definitely keep an eye out for those.
>
> > I found this link to one of
> > the NC recordings I'm talking about. They are from the late 80's:
> > <http://www.jsbach.org/newmanbachpreludesfuguesvoliii.html>
> > As it says there, the organ is the Reiger at The State University
> > Of New York at Purchase.
>
> OK, yeah, different. It would be nice to hear these, thanks.
>
> -C.
>

Prelude & Fugue in 20ET

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🔗Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...>

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