Anybody interested in buy a bell foundry? Fwd: [Bell Historians] Re: Taylors, Eayre and Smith

Begin forwarded message:

> From: John Camp <camp@...>
> Date: 19 September 2009 20:51:21 BST
> To: change-ringers <change-ringers@...>, ringing-chat <ringing-chat@...> >, <bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Bell Historians] Re: Taylors, Eayre and Smith
> Reply-To: bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com
>
> At 12:00 on Saturday 19 September 2009, John Camp wrote:
>
>> See <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/8264298.stm>
>
> The administrators have confirmed that they hope to sell the business
> as a going concern. The Press Association put out a piece, which can
> be found in several local newspapers, as follows:
>
> ________________________________________________________________
>
> A 225-year-old bell foundry based in Leicestershire has gone into
> administration. Taylors Eayre and Smith Ltd, which claims to be the
> world's largest bell foundry, has suffered financial difficulties
> following a reduction in turnover and increase in expenditure,
> according to its administrators, accountancy firm Mazars.
>
> The firm, first established in 1784, currently employs 26 workers at
> its premises in Loughborough. Jill Clarke, speaking on behalf of the
> foundry's directors and shareholders, said: "We are deeply saddened to
> have gone into administration. "Advice was initially taken from
> Mazars in August but despite the best efforts of all concerned to
> secure extra investment, it has not been possible to keep the company
> alive. The directors and employees, some of whom have worked here > for 30
> years, are hopeful that the business can continue and are co-operating
> fully with the administrator."
>
> Taylors Eayre and Smith Ltd, which makes and installs a range of
> bells, cast the country's largest bell for St Paul's Cathedral in
> London in 1881. Administrators intend to sell the business as a going
> concern. Simon Chandler, from the Nottingham office of Mazars, said:
> "Taylors is very well known nationally and internationally within the
> sector and has a first class reputation. We are expecting there to
> be significant interest in the possibilities of acquiring the
> business."
>
> Copyright (c) Press Association Ltd. 2009, All Rights Reserved.
>
> ________________________________________________________________
>
> John Camp
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Charles Lucy
lucy@...

- Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning -

for information on LucyTuning go to:
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For LucyTuned Lullabies go to:
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Seriously though, thinking about this bell foundry;

It would give us the perfect opportunity to retune all the major Western bells - (to John Harrison's specs, using his methods of course):

http://www.lucytune.com/academic/manuscript_search.html

Being an fully-qualified industrial engineer, who did his apprenticeship in a foundry, has experience with both light and heavy engineering + banking and business consulting,

I would be probably one of the few people, who could actually turn it into a practical and viable proposition.

So Monday, I will contact the administrators.

Is anyone else with tuning knowledge interested in investing in an adventure with bells and a foundry?

On 19 Sep 2009, at 21:21, Charles Lucy wrote:

>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: John Camp <camp@...>
> > Date: 19 September 2009 20:51:21 BST
> > To: change-ringers <change-ringers@...>, ringing-chat <ringing-chat@...
> > >, <bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Bell Historians] Re: Taylors, Eayre and Smith
> > Reply-To: bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > At 12:00 on Saturday 19 September 2009, John Camp wrote:
> >
> >> See <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/8264298.stm>
> >
> > The administrators have confirmed that they hope to sell the > business
> > as a going concern. The Press Association put out a piece, which can
> > be found in several local newspapers, as follows:
> >
> > __________________________________________________________
> >
> > A 225-year-old bell foundry based in Leicestershire has gone into
> > administration. Taylors Eayre and Smith Ltd, which claims to be the
> > world's largest bell foundry, has suffered financial difficulties
> > following a reduction in turnover and increase in expenditure,
> > according to its administrators, accountancy firm Mazars.
> >
> > The firm, first established in 1784, currently employs 26 workers at
> > its premises in Loughborough. Jill Clarke, speaking on behalf of the
> > foundry's directors and shareholders, said: "We are deeply > saddened to
> > have gone into administration. "Advice was initially taken from
> > Mazars in August but despite the best efforts of all concerned to
> > secure extra investment, it has not been possible to keep the > company
> > alive. The directors and employees, some of whom have worked here
> > for 30
> > years, are hopeful that the business can continue and are co-> operating
> > fully with the administrator."
> >
> > Taylors Eayre and Smith Ltd, which makes and installs a range of
> > bells, cast the country's largest bell for St Paul's Cathedral in
> > London in 1881. Administrators intend to sell the business as a > going
> > concern. Simon Chandler, from the Nottingham office of Mazars, said:
> > "Taylors is very well known nationally and internationally within > the
> > sector and has a first class reputation. We are expecting there to
> > be significant interest in the possibilities of acquiring the
> > business."
> >
> > Copyright (c) Press Association Ltd. 2009, All Rights Reserved.
> >
> > __________________________________________________________
> >
> > John Camp
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> Charles Lucy
> lucy@...
>
> - Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning -
>
> for information on LucyTuning go to:
> http://www.lucytune.com
>
> For LucyTuned Lullabies go to:
> http://www.lullabies.co.uk
>
>
>
Charles Lucy
lucy@...

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for information on LucyTuning go to:
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Which is the specific manuscript you are pointing to?

I'd like to get an idea of what would be different.

Thanks,

Chris

On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Charles Lucy <lucy@...> wrote:

>
>
> Seriously though, thinking about this bell foundry;
>
> It would give us the perfect opportunity to retune all the major Western
> bells - (to John Harrison's specs, using his methods of course):
>
> http://www.lucytune.com/academic/manuscript_search.html
>
> Being an fully-qualified industrial engineer, who did his apprenticeship in
> a foundry, has experience with both light and heavy engineering + banking
> and business consulting,
>
> I would be probably one of the few people, who could actually turn it into
> a practical and viable proposition.
>
>
> So Monday, I will contact the administrators.
>
> Is anyone else with tuning knowledge interested in investing in an
> adventure with bells and a foundry?
>
>
> On 19 Sep 2009, at 21:21, Charles Lucy wrote:
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: John Camp <camp@... <camp%40bellringers.org>>
> > Date: 19 September 2009 20:51:21 BST
> > To: change-ringers <change-ringers@...<change-ringers%40bellringers.org>>,
> ringing-chat <ringing-chat@...<ringing-chat%40bellringers.net>
>
> > >, <bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com <bellhistorians%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > Subject: [Bell Historians] Re: Taylors, Eayre and Smith
> > Reply-To: bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com<bellhistorians%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > At 12:00 on Saturday 19 September 2009, John Camp wrote:
> >
> >> See <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/8264298.stm>
> >
> > The administrators have confirmed that they hope to sell the business
> > as a going concern. The Press Association put out a piece, which can
> > be found in several local newspapers, as follows:
> >
> > __________________________________________________________
> >
> > A 225-year-old bell foundry based in Leicestershire has gone into
> > administration. Taylors Eayre and Smith Ltd, which claims to be the
> > world's largest bell foundry, has suffered financial difficulties
> > following a reduction in turnover and increase in expenditure,
> > according to its administrators, accountancy firm Mazars.
> >
> > The firm, first established in 1784, currently employs 26 workers at
> > its premises in Loughborough. Jill Clarke, speaking on behalf of the
> > foundry's directors and shareholders, said: "We are deeply saddened to
> > have gone into administration. "Advice was initially taken from
> > Mazars in August but despite the best efforts of all concerned to
> > secure extra investment, it has not been possible to keep the company
> > alive. The directors and employees, some of whom have worked here
> > for 30
> > years, are hopeful that the business can continue and are co-operating
> > fully with the administrator."
> >
> > Taylors Eayre and Smith Ltd, which makes and installs a range of
> > bells, cast the country's largest bell for St Paul's Cathedral in
> > London in 1881. Administrators intend to sell the business as a going
> > concern. Simon Chandler, from the Nottingham office of Mazars, said:
> > "Taylors is very well known nationally and internationally within the
> > sector and has a first class reputation. We are expecting there to
> > be significant interest in the possibilities of acquiring the
> > business."
> >
> > Copyright (c) Press Association Ltd. 2009, All Rights Reserved.
> >
> > __________________________________________________________
> >
> > John Camp
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> Charles Lucy
> lucy@... <lucy%40lucytune.com>
>
> - Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning -
>
> for information on LucyTuning go to:
> http://www.lucytune.com
>
> For LucyTuned Lullabies go to:
> http://www.lullabies.co.uk
>
>
> Charles Lucy
> lucy@...
>
> - Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning -
>
> for information on LucyTuning go to:
> http://www.lucytune.com
>
> For LucyTuned Lullabies go to:
> http://www.lullabies.co.uk
>
>
>
>
>

Click on the link in this posting, and then on the link to the manuscript on the webpage Chris.

On 19 Sep 2009, at 22:09, Chris Vaisvil wrote:

> Which is the specific manuscript you are pointing to?
>
> I'd like to get an idea of what would be different.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Charles Lucy <lucy@...> > wrote:
>
> Seriously though, thinking about this bell foundry;
>
>
> It would give us the perfect opportunity to retune all the major > Western bells - (to John Harrison's specs, using his methods of > course):
>
> http://www.lucytune.com/academic/manuscript_search.html
>
> Being an fully-qualified industrial engineer, who did his > apprenticeship in a foundry, has experience with both light and > heavy engineering + banking and business consulting,
>
> I would be probably one of the few people, who could actually turn > it into a practical and viable proposition.
>
>
> So Monday, I will contact the administrators.
>
> Is anyone else with tuning knowledge interested in investing in an > adventure with bells and a foundry?
>
>
> On 19 Sep 2009, at 21:21, Charles Lucy wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> > From: John Camp <camp@...>
>> > Date: 19 September 2009 20:51:21 BST
>> > To: change-ringers <change-ringers@...>, ringing-chat >> <ringing-chat@...
>> > >, <bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com>
>> > Subject: [Bell Historians] Re: Taylors, Eayre and Smith
>> > Reply-To: bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com
>> >
>> > At 12:00 on Saturday 19 September 2009, John Camp wrote:
>> >
>> >> See <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/>> 8264298.stm>
>> >
>> > The administrators have confirmed that they hope to sell the >> business
>> > as a going concern. The Press Association put out a piece, which >> can
>> > be found in several local newspapers, as follows:
>> >
>> > __________________________________________________________
>> >
>> > A 225-year-old bell foundry based in Leicestershire has gone into
>> > administration. Taylors Eayre and Smith Ltd, which claims to be the
>> > world's largest bell foundry, has suffered financial difficulties
>> > following a reduction in turnover and increase in expenditure,
>> > according to its administrators, accountancy firm Mazars.
>> >
>> > The firm, first established in 1784, currently employs 26 workers >> at
>> > its premises in Loughborough. Jill Clarke, speaking on behalf of >> the
>> > foundry's directors and shareholders, said: "We are deeply >> saddened to
>> > have gone into administration. "Advice was initially taken from
>> > Mazars in August but despite the best efforts of all concerned to
>> > secure extra investment, it has not been possible to keep the >> company
>> > alive. The directors and employees, some of whom have worked here
>> > for 30
>> > years, are hopeful that the business can continue and are co->> operating
>> > fully with the administrator."
>> >
>> > Taylors Eayre and Smith Ltd, which makes and installs a range of
>> > bells, cast the country's largest bell for St Paul's Cathedral in
>> > London in 1881. Administrators intend to sell the business as a >> going
>> > concern. Simon Chandler, from the Nottingham office of Mazars, >> said:
>> > "Taylors is very well known nationally and internationally within >> the
>> > sector and has a first class reputation. We are expecting there to
>> > be significant interest in the possibilities of acquiring the
>> > business."
>> >
>> > Copyright (c) Press Association Ltd. 2009, All Rights Reserved.
>> >
>> > __________________________________________________________
>> >
>> > John Camp
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Charles Lucy
>> lucy@...
>>
>> - Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning -
>>
>> for information on LucyTuning go to:
>> http://www.lucytune.com
>>
>> For LucyTuned Lullabies go to:
>> http://www.lullabies.co.uk
>>
>>
>
> Charles Lucy
> lucy@...
>
> - Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning -
>
> for information on LucyTuning go to:
> http://www.lucytune.com
>
> For LucyTuned Lullabies go to:
> http://www.lullabies.co.uk
>
>
>
>
>
>
Charles Lucy
lucy@...

- Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning -

for information on LucyTuning go to:
http://www.lucytune.com

For LucyTuned Lullabies go to:
http://www.lullabies.co.uk

Thanks for forwarding, Charles. Sad news indeed. I hope
new owners can be found who will revitalize the company.

-Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Charles Lucy <lucy@...> wrote:
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: John Camp <camp@...>
> > Date: 19 September 2009 20:51:21 BST
> > To: change-ringers <change-ringers@...>, ringing-chat
> > <ringing-chat@... <bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Bell Historians] Re: Taylors, Eayre and Smith
> > Reply-To: bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > At 12:00 on Saturday 19 September 2009, John Camp wrote:
> >
> >> See
> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/8264298.stm
> >
> > The administrators have confirmed that they hope to sell the
> > business as a going concern. The Press Association put out
> > a piece, which can be found in several local newspapers, as
> > follows:
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________
> >
> > A 225-year-old bell foundry based in Leicestershire has gone into
> > administration. Taylors Eayre and Smith Ltd, which claims to be
> > the world's largest bell foundry, has suffered financial
> > difficulties following a reduction in turnover and increase in
> > expenditure, according to its administrators, accountancy firm
> > Mazars.
> >
> > The firm, first established in 1784, currently employs 26
> > workers at its premises in Loughborough. Jill Clarke, speaking
> > on behalf of the foundry's directors and shareholders, said:
> > "We are deeply saddened to have gone into administration.
> > "Advice was initially taken from Mazars in August but despite
> > the best efforts of all concerned to secure extra investment,
> > it has not been possible to keep the company alive. The
> > directors and employees, some of whom have worked here for 30
> > years, are hopeful that the business can continue and are
> > co-operating fully with the administrator."
> >
> > Taylors Eayre and Smith Ltd, which makes and installs a range
> > of bells, cast the country's largest bell for St Paul's
> > Cathedral in London in 1881. Administrators intend to sell
> > the business as a going concern. Simon Chandler, from the
> > Nottingham office of Mazars, said: "Taylors is very well known
> > nationally and internationally within the sector and has a
> > first class reputation. We are expecting there to be
> > significant interest in the possibilities of acquiring the
> > business."
> >
> > Copyright (c) Press Association Ltd. 2009, All Rights Reserved.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Charles Lucy <lucy@...> wrote:
>
> Seriously though, thinking about this bell foundry;
>
> It would give us the perfect opportunity to retune all the major
> Western bells - (to John Harrison's specs, using his methods of
> course):
>
> http://www.lucytune.com/academic/manuscript_search.html

Oh great, of course; how silly of me for thinking you had
unselfish motivations. Excuse me while I revisit my lunch.

-Carl

Oh... it must be at the top?

Just bold doesn't register as links to me - usually they are underlined.
But ok - I'll look at this. It sounds like an interesting opportunity.

On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Charles Lucy <lucy@...> wrote:

>
>
> Click on the link in this posting, and then on the link to the manuscript
> on the webpage Chris.
>
>
> On 19 Sep 2009, at 22:09, Chris Vaisvil wrote:
>
> Which is the specific manuscript you are pointing to?
>
> I'd like to get an idea of what would be different.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Charles Lucy <lucy@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Seriously though, thinking about this bell foundry;
>>
>> It would give us the perfect opportunity to retune all the major Western
>> bells - (to John Harrison's specs, using his methods of course):
>>
>> http://www.lucytune.com/academic/manuscript_search.html
>>
>> Being an fully-qualified industrial engineer, who did his apprenticeship
>> in a foundry, has experience with both light and heavy engineering + banking
>> and business consulting,
>>
>> I would be probably one of the few people, who could actually turn it into
>> a practical and viable proposition.
>>
>>
>> So Monday, I will contact the administrators.
>>
>> Is anyone else with tuning knowledge interested in investing in an
>> adventure with bells and a foundry?
>>
>>
>> On 19 Sep 2009, at 21:21, Charles Lucy wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> > From: John Camp <camp@... <camp%40bellringers.org>>
>> > Date: 19 September 2009 20:51:21 BST
>> > To: change-ringers <change-ringers@...<change-ringers%40bellringers.org>>,
>> ringing-chat <ringing-chat@...<ringing-chat%40bellringers.net>
>>
>> > >, <bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com <bellhistorians%40yahoogroups.com>>
>> > Subject: [Bell Historians] Re: Taylors, Eayre and Smith
>> > Reply-To: bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com<bellhistorians%40yahoogroups.com>
>> >
>> > At 12:00 on Saturday 19 September 2009, John Camp wrote:
>> >
>> >> See <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/8264298.stm>
>> >
>> > The administrators have confirmed that they hope to sell the business
>> > as a going concern. The Press Association put out a piece, which can
>> > be found in several local newspapers, as follows:
>> >
>> > __________________________________________________________
>> >
>> > A 225-year-old bell foundry based in Leicestershire has gone into
>> > administration. Taylors Eayre and Smith Ltd, which claims to be the
>> > world's largest bell foundry, has suffered financial difficulties
>> > following a reduction in turnover and increase in expenditure,
>> > according to its administrators, accountancy firm Mazars.
>> >
>> > The firm, first established in 1784, currently employs 26 workers at
>> > its premises in Loughborough. Jill Clarke, speaking on behalf of the
>> > foundry's directors and shareholders, said: "We are deeply saddened to
>> > have gone into administration. "Advice was initially taken from
>> > Mazars in August but despite the best efforts of all concerned to
>> > secure extra investment, it has not been possible to keep the company
>> > alive. The directors and employees, some of whom have worked here
>> > for 30
>> > years, are hopeful that the business can continue and are co-operating
>> > fully with the administrator."
>> >
>> > Taylors Eayre and Smith Ltd, which makes and installs a range of
>> > bells, cast the country's largest bell for St Paul's Cathedral in
>> > London in 1881. Administrators intend to sell the business as a going
>> > concern. Simon Chandler, from the Nottingham office of Mazars, said:
>> > "Taylors is very well known nationally and internationally within the
>> > sector and has a first class reputation. We are expecting there to
>> > be significant interest in the possibilities of acquiring the
>> > business."
>> >
>> > Copyright (c) Press Association Ltd. 2009, All Rights Reserved.
>> >
>> > __________________________________________________________
>> >
>> > John Camp
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Charles Lucy
>> lucy@... <lucy%40lucytune.com>
>>
>> - Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning -
>>
>> for information on LucyTuning go to:
>> http://www.lucytune.com
>>
>> For LucyTuned Lullabies go to:
>> http://www.lullabies.co.uk
>>
>>
>> Charles Lucy
>> lucy@...
>>
>> - Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning -
>>
>> for information on LucyTuning go to:
>> http://www.lucytune.com
>>
>> For LucyTuned Lullabies go to:
>> http://www.lullabies.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Charles Lucy
> lucy@...
>
> - Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning -
>
> for information on LucyTuning go to:
> http://www.lucytune.com
>
> For LucyTuned Lullabies go to:
> http://www.lullabies.co.uk
>
>
>
>
>

We could be the new owners Carl.

Are you up for it?

On 19 Sep 2009, at 22:17, Carl Lumma wrote:

> Thanks for forwarding, Charles. Sad news indeed. I hope
> new owners can be found who will revitalize the company.
>
> -Carl
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Charles Lucy <lucy@...> wrote:
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > > From: John Camp <camp@...>
> > > Date: 19 September 2009 20:51:21 BST
> > > To: change-ringers <change-ringers@...>, ringing-chat
> > > <ringing-chat@... <bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [Bell Historians] Re: Taylors, Eayre and Smith
> > > Reply-To: bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > At 12:00 on Saturday 19 September 2009, John Camp wrote:
> > >
> > >> See
> > >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/8264298.stm
> > >
> > > The administrators have confirmed that they hope to sell the
> > > business as a going concern. The Press Association put out
> > > a piece, which can be found in several local newspapers, as
> > > follows:
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________________
> > >
> > > A 225-year-old bell foundry based in Leicestershire has gone into
> > > administration. Taylors Eayre and Smith Ltd, which claims to be
> > > the world's largest bell foundry, has suffered financial
> > > difficulties following a reduction in turnover and increase in
> > > expenditure, according to its administrators, accountancy firm
> > > Mazars.
> > >
> > > The firm, first established in 1784, currently employs 26
> > > workers at its premises in Loughborough. Jill Clarke, speaking
> > > on behalf of the foundry's directors and shareholders, said:
> > > "We are deeply saddened to have gone into administration.
> > > "Advice was initially taken from Mazars in August but despite
> > > the best efforts of all concerned to secure extra investment,
> > > it has not been possible to keep the company alive. The
> > > directors and employees, some of whom have worked here for 30
> > > years, are hopeful that the business can continue and are
> > > co-operating fully with the administrator."
> > >
> > > Taylors Eayre and Smith Ltd, which makes and installs a range
> > > of bells, cast the country's largest bell for St Paul's
> > > Cathedral in London in 1881. Administrators intend to sell
> > > the business as a going concern. Simon Chandler, from the
> > > Nottingham office of Mazars, said: "Taylors is very well known
> > > nationally and internationally within the sector and has a
> > > first class reputation. We are expecting there to be
> > > significant interest in the possibilities of acquiring the
> > > business."
> > >
> > > Copyright (c) Press Association Ltd. 2009, All Rights Reserved.
>
>
>
Charles Lucy
lucy@...

- Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning -

for information on LucyTuning go to:
http://www.lucytune.com

For LucyTuned Lullabies go to:
http://www.lullabies.co.uk

Yes selfish, of course. Britain is going through a partial re-run of the 80's; collapsing economy, high unemployment, failing government, recession, credit squeeze, lotsa adventures.

The perfect scenario for some interesting changes.

I thought you liked money Carl;-)

On 19 Sep 2009, at 22:19, Carl Lumma wrote:

> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Charles Lucy <lucy@...> wrote:
> >
> > Seriously though, thinking about this bell foundry;
> >
> > It would give us the perfect opportunity to retune all the major
> > Western bells - (to John Harrison's specs, using his methods of
> > course):
> >
> > http://www.lucytune.com/academic/manuscript_search.html
>
> Oh great, of course; how silly of me for thinking you had
> unselfish motivations. Excuse me while I revisit my lunch.
>
> -Carl
>
>
>
Charles Lucy
lucy@...

- Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning -

for information on LucyTuning go to:
http://www.lucytune.com

For LucyTuned Lullabies go to:
http://www.lullabies.co.uk

> Oh great, of course; how silly of me for thinking you had
> unselfish motivations. Excuse me while I revisit my lunch.
>
> -Carl

I laughed out loud at this. I saw it coming from the second sentence
of the original post. Charles, wouldn't your patent have expired last
year? What's the point? On the other hand, microtonally speaking, it
would perhaps be possible to work some interesting scales out for
dealing specifically with inharmonic timbres... Might make for a
smoother ride when listening to a carillon or something. Maybe a
nonoctave tuning?

And Charles, if you're really going to control that many bells, can't
we just get 5-limit JI in there somewhere? Jeez.

Then again, if you just want a general 12 note per octave tuning, then
some kind of meantone is the natural option to pick for existing
repertoire... And if you're going to drop all of this money on it, you
might as well go with LucyTuning.

A JI carillon might be the most amazing sounding thing the world has
ever heard though.

-Mike

Never mind, I just saw that Harrison's ideas on tuning bells are
different from LucyTuning in general... Charles, do you have a
recording of this scale, or a description of how it lies out in cents?
I have no clue how to decipher paragraph after paragraph of stuff like
this:

"Nay from thence consequently, as the Differences betwixt the radical
numbers respectively must always [or in all Peals] continue the same,
so therefore each one of which being substracted from its
correspondent Log. for the Diameter, must always produce what is
wanting or sought for [viz. without having recourse to the Log. of the
Radical Numbers, or then of the larger and lesser Notes], as for
Ignorance, the difference betwixt the radical Number of the tenor-Bell
and that of the bell next to it, being always then ,0301068075, the
which being substracted from the Log..."

-Mike

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:25 AM, Mike Battaglia <battaglia01@...> wrote:
>> Oh great, of course; how silly of me for thinking you had
>> unselfish motivations. Excuse me while I revisit my lunch.
>>
>> -Carl
>
> I laughed out loud at this. I saw it coming from the second sentence
> of the original post. Charles, wouldn't your patent have expired last
> year? What's the point? On the other hand, microtonally speaking, it
> would perhaps be possible to work some interesting scales out for
> dealing specifically with inharmonic timbres... Might make for a
> smoother ride when listening to a carillon or something. Maybe a
> nonoctave tuning?
>
> And Charles, if you're really going to control that many bells, can't
> we just get 5-limit JI in there somewhere? Jeez.
>
> Then again, if you just want a general 12 note per octave tuning, then
> some kind of meantone is the natural option to pick for existing
> repertoire... And if you're going to drop all of this money on it, you
> might as well go with LucyTuning.
>
> A JI carillon might be the most amazing sounding thing the world has
> ever heard though.
>
> -Mike
>

> A JI carillon might be the most amazing sounding thing the world has
> ever heard though.

A fellow named Darren Burgess had obtained an electric carillon
(with metal bars, IIRC, in several fridge-sized cabinets), and
was retuning it to extended JI and building a matrix keyboard
controller for it. He was close to being finished many years
ago, but I never heard how the project turned out. You there,
Darren?

-Carl

John Harrison has some very interesting ideas about bells and their manufacture.
I would like to implement his ideas.

http://www.lucytune.com/academic/manuscript_search.html

On 20 Sep 2009, at 10:25, Mike Battaglia wrote:

> > Oh great, of course; how silly of me for thinking you had
> > unselfish motivations. Excuse me while I revisit my lunch.
> >
> > -Carl
>
> I laughed out loud at this. I saw it coming from the second sentence
> of the original post. Charles, wouldn't your patent have expired last
> year? What's the point? On the other hand, microtonally speaking, it
> would perhaps be possible to work some interesting scales out for
> dealing specifically with inharmonic timbres... Might make for a
> smoother ride when listening to a carillon or something. Maybe a
> nonoctave tuning?
>
> And Charles, if you're really going to control that many bells, can't
> we just get 5-limit JI in there somewhere? Jeez.
>
> Then again, if you just want a general 12 note per octave tuning, then
> some kind of meantone is the natural option to pick for existing
> repertoire... And if you're going to drop all of this money on it, you
> might as well go with LucyTuning.
>
> A JI carillon might be the most amazing sounding thing the world has
> ever heard though.
>
> -Mike
>
>
Charles Lucy
lucy@...

- Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning -

for information on LucyTuning go to:
http://www.lucytune.com

For LucyTuned Lullabies go to:
http://www.lullabies.co.uk

The ideas and intervals, are the same as LucyTuning.

Harrison was my source in the design, as I have always acknowledged.

On 20 Sep 2009, at 10:29, Mike Battaglia wrote:

> Never mind, I just saw that Harrison's ideas on tuning bells are
> different from LucyTuning in general... Charles, do you have a
> recording of this scale, or a description of how it lies out in cents?
> I have no clue how to decipher paragraph after paragraph of stuff like
> this:
>
> "Nay from thence consequently, as the Differences betwixt the radical
> numbers respectively must always [or in all Peals] continue the same,
> so therefore each one of which being substracted from its
> correspondent Log. for the Diameter, must always produce what is
> wanting or sought for [viz. without having recourse to the Log. of the
> Radical Numbers, or then of the larger and lesser Notes], as for
> Ignorance, the difference betwixt the radical Number of the tenor-Bell
> and that of the bell next to it, being always then ,0301068075, the
> which being substracted from the Log..."
>
> -Mike
>
> On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:25 AM, Mike Battaglia > <battaglia01@...> wrote:
> >> Oh great, of course; how silly of me for thinking you had
> >> unselfish motivations. Excuse me while I revisit my lunch.
> >>
> >> -Carl
> >
> > I laughed out loud at this. I saw it coming from the second sentence
> > of the original post. Charles, wouldn't your patent have expired > last
> > year? What's the point? On the other hand, microtonally speaking, it
> > would perhaps be possible to work some interesting scales out for
> > dealing specifically with inharmonic timbres... Might make for a
> > smoother ride when listening to a carillon or something. Maybe a
> > nonoctave tuning?
> >
> > And Charles, if you're really going to control that many bells, > can't
> > we just get 5-limit JI in there somewhere? Jeez.
> >
> > Then again, if you just want a general 12 note per octave tuning, > then
> > some kind of meantone is the natural option to pick for existing
> > repertoire... And if you're going to drop all of this money on it, > you
> > might as well go with LucyTuning.
> >
> > A JI carillon might be the most amazing sounding thing the world has
> > ever heard though.
> >
> > -Mike
> >
>
>
Charles Lucy
lucy@...

- Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning -

for information on LucyTuning go to:
http://www.lucytune.com

For LucyTuned Lullabies go to:
http://www.lullabies.co.uk

http://www.afn.org/~sejic/Carillon.html

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel" <whistlingelk@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.afn.org/~sejic/Carillon.html
>

Yes, that's Darren's project. This page has been static for
a long time. You there, Darren?

-Carl