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I rendered some more older music with Garritan Personal Orchestra 4 and put it up on my Google page (http://teamouse.googlepages.com/home).

http://teamouse.googlepages.com/16-etude.mp3
Etude in 16-note equal tuning (1998) 16-ET

http://teamouse.googlepages.com/Transformation.mp3
Transformation (2000) 17-ET

http://teamouse.googlepages.com/LembaGalatsia.mp3
Lemba Galatsia (2006) 16-note MOS of lemba temperament

and last but not least,

http://teamouse.googlepages.com/Porcupine-orchestral-GPO.mp3
Mizarian Porcupine Overture (1999) 15-ET
orchestral arrangement (2009)

This latest version uses a 5-limit TOP tuning of 15-ET, and includes percussion.

Thanks for sharing. This Porcupine Overture may finally
be good enough to displace the first version as the archtype
in my mind. The original timbres still seem to get you
something though -- at 0:41-43 for instance. And I like the
slightly unfamiliar sounds for a piece from another world.
Of course the dynamics, stereo separation, etc of the new
version blow the original away.

At several spots in Transformation, the violins seem to
decay in an unnatural way -- coincidentally most noticeable
at 0:43 in the new file. Don't know if there's an easy
way in GPO to control this sort of thing.

Lemba Galatsia is a huge win here!

-Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Herman Miller <hmiller@...> wrote:
>
> I rendered some more older music with Garritan Personal
> Orchestra 4 and put it up on my Google page
> (http://teamouse.googlepages.com/home).
>
> http://teamouse.googlepages.com/16-etude.mp3
> Etude in 16-note equal tuning (1998) 16-ET
>
> http://teamouse.googlepages.com/Transformation.mp3
> Transformation (2000) 17-ET
>
> http://teamouse.googlepages.com/LembaGalatsia.mp3
> Lemba Galatsia (2006) 16-note MOS of lemba temperament
>
> and last but not least,
>
> http://teamouse.googlepages.com/Porcupine-orchestral-GPO.mp3
> Mizarian Porcupine Overture (1999) 15-ET
> orchestral arrangement (2009)
>
> This latest version uses a 5-limit TOP tuning of 15-ET, and
> includes percussion.
>

> Lemba Galatsia is a huge win here!

Except perhaps, that the end of the file seems to be
chopped off! I expect to hear that sfz die out in reverb.

-Carl

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:59 AM, clumma<carl@...> wrote:

> At several spots in Transformation, the violins seem to
> decay in an unnatural way -- coincidentally most noticeable
> at 0:43 in the new file. Don't know if there's an easy
> way in GPO to control this sort of thing.

The strings sound unnatural in general to me, but that's par for the
course with most samples.

> Lemba Galatsia is a huge win here!

Agreed. I thought it sounded really hard to listen to before; here it
was quite enjoyable, a testament to the power of decent sounds.

Aaron Krister Johnson
http://www.akjmusic.com
http://www.untwelve.org

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:00 AM, clumma<carl@...> wrote:
>> Lemba Galatsia is a huge win here!
>
> Except perhaps, that the end of the file seems to be
> chopped off! I expect to hear that sfz die out in reverb.

This kind of thing happens in Timidity, too...the workaround in such
cases is putting a dummy event in the MIDI file past the point of
reverb decay so that there is no chop-off in rendering.

Aaron Krister Johnson
http://www.akjmusic.com
http://www.untwelve.org

clumma wrote:
> Thanks for sharing. This Porcupine Overture may finally
> be good enough to displace the first version as the archtype
> in my mind. The original timbres still seem to get you
> something though -- at 0:41-43 for instance. And I like the
> slightly unfamiliar sounds for a piece from another world.
> Of course the dynamics, stereo separation, etc of the new
> version blow the original away.

Yeah, it's nice to hear the individual parts so clearly.

Yeah, that could probably use some phrasing with the modulation wheel.

clumma wrote:
>> Lemba Galatsia is a huge win here!
> > Except perhaps, that the end of the file seems to be
> chopped off! I expect to hear that sfz die out in reverb.

Hmm, I think that's because the original file used the volume control (controller 7) for expression. While this does work, GPO is designed to use the modulation wheel (controller 1) for dynamics.

That's strange, and against MIDI standard if it's a default setting. If it's only additional programmable feature, it has some sense, because not everybody uses pedal as an expression controller. But one hand is occupied by this controller and can't be used for performing music unless we record expression data on another track after recording the music...

Standard expression controller is 11.

Daniel Forro

On 29 Aug 2009, at 9:45 AM, Herman Miller wrote:
> Hmm, I think that's because the original file used the volume control
> (controller 7) for expression. While this does work, GPO is > designed to
> use the modulation wheel (controller 1) for dynamics.
>

Hi Dan,

It IS strange - it is supposed to be a feature but honestly it drives me
nuts.
The way GPO is intended to be used (judging by the manual) is a single
instrument line at a time in real time performance. - the included Notation
version of the samples does not fix this at all.

In my case I resort to putting in a single dynamic on controller one for the
most part. For someone like myself working with controller one is a pain
because it means using the piano roll and I think in staff notation. :-(

The quality of the samples are very very good for the money but this feature
can get in the way.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Daniel Forró <dan.for@...> wrote:

>
>
> That's strange, and against MIDI standard if it's a default setting.
> If it's only additional programmable feature, it has some sense,
> because not everybody uses pedal as an expression controller. But one
> hand is occupied by this controller and can't be used for performing
> music unless we record expression data on another track after
> recording the music...
>
> Standard expression controller is 11.
>
> Daniel Forro
>
>
> On 29 Aug 2009, at 9:45 AM, Herman Miller wrote:
> > Hmm, I think that's because the original file used the volume control
> > (controller 7) for expression. While this does work, GPO is
> > designed to
> > use the modulation wheel (controller 1) for dynamics.
> >
>
>
>

Daniel Forrï¿½ wrote:
> That's strange, and against MIDI standard if it's a default setting. > If it's only additional programmable feature, it has some sense, > because not everybody uses pedal as an expression controller. But one > hand is occupied by this controller and can't be used for performing > music unless we record expression data on another track after > recording the music...
> > Standard expression controller is 11.
> > Daniel Forro

Actually it does respond to controller 11 (as well as 2, the breath control). So as long as I'm adding those by hand to existing MIDI files, I might as well use that one instead of the modulation wheel. (For vibrato depth in those instruments that support it, GPO uses channel aftertouch).

Maybe when users will cry a lot and complain enough loudly
manufacturer will repair this in the next upgrade...

On 29 Aug 2009, at 11:04 AM, Chris Vaisvil wrote:

>
> Hi Dan,
>
> It IS strange - it is supposed to be a feature but honestly it
> drives me nuts.
> The way GPO is intended to be used (judging by the manual) is a
> single instrument line at a time in real time performance. - the
> included Notation version of the samples does not fix this at all.
>
> In my case I resort to putting in a single dynamic on controller
> one for the most part. For someone like myself working with
> controller one is a pain because it means using the piano roll and> I think in staff notation. :-(
>
> The quality of the samples are very very good for the money but
> this feature can get in the way.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Daniel Forró <dan.for@...>
> wrote:
>
> That's strange, and against MIDI standard if it's a default setting.
> If it's only additional programmable feature, it has some sense,
> because not everybody uses pedal as an expression controller. But one
> hand is occupied by this controller and can't be used for performing
> music unless we record expression data on another track after
> recording the music...
>
> Standard expression controller is 11.
>
> Daniel Forro
>
>
>
> On 29 Aug 2009, at 9:45 AM, Herman Miller wrote:
> > Hmm, I think that's because the original file used the volume
> control
> > (controller 7) for expression. While this does work, GPO is
> > designed to
> > use the modulation wheel (controller 1) for dynamics.
> >
>
>
>
>
>

Ah, then everything is OK.

On 29 Aug 2009, at 11:50 AM, Herman Miller wrote:

>
> Daniel Forró wrote:
> > That's strange, and against MIDI standard if it's a default setting.
> > If it's only additional programmable feature, it has some sense,
> > because not everybody uses pedal as an expression controller. But
> one
> > hand is occupied by this controller and can't be used for performing
> > music unless we record expression data on another track after
> > recording the music...
> >
> > Standard expression controller is 11.
> >
> > Daniel Forro
>
> Actually it does respond to controller 11 (as well as 2, the breath
> control). So as long as I'm adding those by hand to existing MIDI
> files,
> I might as well use that one instead of the modulation wheel. (For
> vibrato depth in those instruments that support it, GPO uses channel
> aftertouch).
>

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