GCD thread

Folks,

I'm killing the GCD thread for the time being. I've already
spoken to most of the participants offlist. Feel free to continue
to discuss it offlist, and post back here in a month or something
if any conclusions are reached. At the moment, it's gotten pretty
far from the core subject area of music intonation. Everybody's
had their say, and it's become a case of a few people taking up a
lot of bandwidth and not making much progress.

For those who would really like to continue discussing it on a
mailing list, I encourage you to create one on Yahoo or Google.
In the past, high-volume topics like harmonic entropy, tuning-math,
and making micro music have split off to their own lists, with
good results.

-Carl

Dear members, and Carl,

The reason why I left the group previously was due to the insufferable
bombardment of messages that seemed to get the debaters and readers
nowhere. I think endless discussions that defy any conclusion
(exceeding 50 posts) should be given a halt. For one thing, I feel the
information content of discussion posts should be high and their
frequency reasonably low. Don't you agree?

Cordially,
Oz.

✩ ✩ ✩
www.ozanyarman.com

On Aug 19, 2009, at 12:48 AM, Carl Lumma wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I'm killing the GCD thread for the time being. I've already
> spoken to most of the participants offlist. Feel free to continue
> to discuss it offlist, and post back here in a month or something
> if any conclusions are reached. At the moment, it's gotten pretty
> far from the core subject area of music intonation. Everybody's
> had their say, and it's become a case of a few people taking up a
> lot of bandwidth and not making much progress.
>
> For those who would really like to continue discussing it on a
> mailing list, I encourage you to create one on Yahoo or Google.
> In the past, high-volume topics like harmonic entropy, tuning-math,
> and making micro music have split off to their own lists, with
> good results.
>
> -Carl
>
>
>
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--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>
> Dear members, and Carl,
>
> The reason why I left the group previously was due to the
> insufferable bombardment of messages that seemed to get the
> debaters and readers nowhere. I think endless discussions
> that defy any conclusion (exceeding 50 posts) should be given
> a halt. For one thing, I feel the information content of
> discussion posts should be high and their frequency
> reasonably low. Don't you agree?
>
> Cordially,
> Oz.

Dear Oz,

You're not alone. Over the years we have heard from many on
this list (and I have heard from more than a few offlist and
in person) who have chosen not to participate because of the
high volume of posts, especially posts featuring protracted
arguments over arcane details.

I myself have often been part of such threads, and I often
met this criticism by saying that it should be easy to ignore
or delete messages one isn't interested in. But it turns out
that it is not so easy. It poisons the discourse.

I was against splitting off harmonic entropy and tuning-math
to separate lists, but it turned out to be the right decision
by a mile.

And now, looking back through the archives, I can see that
we would have been better served in many more cases by
practicing an ounce of restraint.

So please, everyone, try to observe these simple practices
(I will do so also):

1. Read all messages since your last visit BEFORE replying
to any of them. You may be repeating someone who has already
replied.

2. Collect your thoughts and post them in as few messages
as possible. Ask yourself, "Am I posting more than my share
of messages today?"

3. Don't make things personal. This is about music!
It's not worth it and you know you'll wind up regretting
it later (probably within a few short hours).

4. If you think you've made a breakthrough in music theory,
which has eluded generations of great minds, and which the
entire world must know about: please don't choose this list
as the place to break the story. This list has been around
since the early '90s, and we've heard many such stories
before. They have never met the test of critical reasoning.
On the other hand, several people who began with comparative
modesty *have* wound up making serious contributions to
music theory on this list. New members will get a firm
footing as quickly as possible by phrasing as many things
as possible as questions (rather than statements).

5. Sometime in your first year on the list, please take a
leap of faith and say hello. Introduce yourself using your
real name, and say a bit about what interests you. The
whole point of a mailing list is to share information and
experiences. There are about 1200 valid e-mail accounts
currently receiving messages from our list. We will all
benefit if we hear from more of them!

-A. Moderator

all one has to do is let the experiment run it course. i have posted hardly anything on it.
i did this to speed it along. anyone could have done it at anytime before.
Is there someone that doesn't hear a=440 in the original example?
but it could be a mistake in the way the experiment was set up.
-- /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
Mesotonal Music from:
_'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere: North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>

_'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>

',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',

a momentary antenna as i turn to water
this evaporates - an island once again

All:
I felt Kraig deserved a last word. Please make any replies
to this offlist. I will delete anything further that appears here.

-Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
>
> all one has to do is let the experiment run it course. i have
> posted hardly anything on it.
> i did this to speed it along. anyone could have done it at
> anytime before.
> Is there someone that doesn't hear a=440 in the original example?
> but it could be a mistake in the way the experiment was set up.
>
> --
>
> /^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
> Mesotonal Music from:
> _'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere:
> North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
>