Re: [tuning] Re: The significance of proportionate beating in PHI and other fractal numbers: with sound examples

Mike B>"Your scale sounds great. It can be used to make music that sounds good. Why don't you just write some music and leave it at that?"

   Haha...well, you're right I am putting myself in an odd situation, I'm stubborn.
    I mean, these scales I make are not about me so much as they are about the concept of helping other musicians make music.

    I trust myself to compose with the scale, but don't trust myself to compose well enough with them to break ground and get other musicians to consider using them and the same way I don't trust myself to become a professional musician with 12TET.   I'm just trying to find someone to help and "pass the baton" to, so to speak.

Mike B>"Nonetheless, is the important thing here not to be making music? As

soon as one person says some sort of humorous comment at your expense

you write these huge replies... Who cares?"
   I wouldn't if my goal weren't getting this scale system respectably public.  I'm not concerned if I get credit for the scale (the Lord would sees I'm a major creator behind it regardless), if I do/don't make a dime off it...but I do (perhaps a bit too seriously) push it out there rather fervently and react very harshly when I see people are mis-interpreting it to the point they may post it as something other than what it is.

   You have a point...I've made a scale I love composing with and should be happy with that.  But, at the same time, I want to make it a part of something much larger than myself.

-Michael

> I wouldn't if my goal weren't getting this scale system respectably
> public. I'm not concerned if I get credit for the scale (the Lord would
> sees I'm a major creator behind it regardless), if I do/don't make a dime
> off it...but I do (perhaps a bit too seriously) push it out there rather
> fervently and react very harshly when I see people are mis-interpreting it
> to the point they may post it as something other than what it is.
>
> You have a point...I've made a scale I love composing with and should be
> happy with that. But, at the same time, I want to make it a part of
> something much larger than myself.
>
> -Michael

OK, then it would be helpful to your cause to get on the same page as
people here with reference to some of the terminology and concepts
referenced. I personally have always thought that there might be some
very fascinating "colorless" pseudo-tonal heirarchies possible,
especially when the overtones of the timbres used are detuned to match
the scale in question. I'm not sure what sort of overtones such a
timbre would have or if it would have to be tied into your
"proportional beating" theory or what not, but the concept somehow
entered into my mind a while ago and I thought it seemed promising.

Nonetheless, I don't think that people here have any fundamental
problem with your phi scale. I think that you haven't really
adequately explained it, as a lot of people have been saying. The
explanations you have offered sometimes don't make sense with the
terminology that you use and in the context that people are used to
hearing them. If your goal is for everyone to understand your idea, it
is your job to facilitate the process.

Nonetheless, I encourage you to keep going with this idea, as it seems
promising, although I don't know that the specific explanation and
theory you have is precisely what is going on. Keep thinking though.

-Mike