Lost tunings - golden19 and skhv12

I'm trying to do some work on a couple of pieces I abandoned five years ago, but I can't find the .scl files for the tunings I was using. I have got the tunings in .tun format, but my way of working has changed and I need them in either Scala or .mid format.

The tunings are :

golden19
skhv12

Does anyone know anything about them? I can't think why they aren't in the Scala collection. Have they been renamed? Or have I misnamed them? I'd be grateful if anyone could help

Alternatively, is there a formula for converting .tun files to .scl files?

Thanks very much.

Peter

Peter>"Alternatively, is there a formula for converting .tun files to .scl files?"

      Yes, there is an alternative.  Take the middle C and find the note at the first period above it (usually middle C * 2/1).  Now take all the notes in-between and write them in decimal values IE 332 / 261.626 (middle C) = 1.26898.

   You should end up with a bunch of decimal values...which you can then convert to cents using
   http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-centsratio.htm
   For the record, the conversion to cents formula is 3986 log-base-10 of (a/1) where a is the decimal value of the frequency in question.

     Additionally, you can try http://www.mindspring.com/~alanh/fracs.html  to convert your decimals to fraction
format.

     Next load those cents (or fraction format notes: SCALA accepts both) values into SCALA and it will make the correct .scl file for you, using the last cents value you enter (IE 1200 AKA 2/1) as the octave.

Hope this helps, Michael

Peter Brewis wrote:
> I'm trying to do some work on a couple of pieces I abandoned five years > ago, but I can't find the .scl files for the tunings I was using. I have > got the tunings in .tun format, but my way of working has changed and I > need them in either Scala or .mid format.
> > The tunings are :
> > golden19
> skhv12
> > Does anyone know anything about them? I can't think why they aren't in > the Scala collection. Have they been renamed? Or have I misnamed them? > I'd be grateful if anyone could help

That golden19 must surely be 19 notes from Kornerup's golden meantone. It's in the Scala archive as kornerup.scl but remember you may have chosen a different set of notes.

The skhv12 must be my 12 notes to a schismatic fourth keyboard mapping, because that's what I was calling it (depending on the spelling of schismatic/skhismic/whatever). I'm honoured that you were looking at it! Scala calls it breed.scl (with a Pythagorean tuning). It's explained here:

http://x31eq.com/schv12.htm

Graham

Thanks, Michael. I'm afraid my math(s) is inadequate. I can /almost/ understand your instructions. but what's IE332 in the first paragraph? I think if I understand that I may be in with a chance of understanding it all!

Grahame may well have solved my immediate problem, but I would still like to be able to convert the blighters. It would be great if Scala could do it.

Thank you for your help.

Peter

djtrancendance@... wrote:
>
>
> Peter>"Alternatively, is there a formula for converting .tun files to > .scl files?"
>
> Yes, there is an alternative. Take the middle C and find the > note at the first period above it (usually middle C * 2/1). Now take > all the notes in-between and write them in decimal values IE 332 / > 261.626 (middle C) = 1.26898.
>
> You should end up with a bunch of decimal values...which you can > then convert to cents using
> http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-centsratio.htm
> For the record, the conversion to cents formula is 3986 log-base-10 > of (a/1) where a is the decimal value of the frequency in question.
>
> Additionally, you can try > http://www.mindspring.com/~alanh/fracs.html to convert your decimals > to fraction format.
>
>
> Next load those cents (or fraction format notes: SCALA accepts > both) values into SCALA and it will make the correct .scl file for > you, using the last cents value you enter (IE 1200 AKA 2/1) as the octave.
>
> Hope this helps, Michael
>
>

Graham Breed wrote:
>
>
> Peter Brewis wrote:
> > I'm trying to do some work on a couple of pieces I abandoned five years
> > ago, but I can't find the .scl files for the tunings I was using. I > have
> > got the tunings in .tun format, but my way of working has changed and I
> > need them in either Scala or .mid format.
> >
> > The tunings are :
> >
> > golden19
> > skhv12
> >
> > Does anyone know anything about them? I can't think why they aren't in
> > the Scala collection. Have they been renamed? Or have I misnamed them?
> > I'd be grateful if anyone could help
>
> That golden19 must surely be 19 notes from Kornerup's golden
> meantone. It's in the Scala archive as kornerup.scl but
> remember you may have chosen a different set of notes.
>
> The skhv12 must be my 12 notes to a schismatic fourth
> keyboard mapping, because that's what I was calling it
> (depending on the spelling of schismatic/skhismic /whatever) .
> I'm honoured that you were looking at it! Scala calls it
> breed.scl (with a Pythagorean tuning). It's explained here:
>
> http://x31eq. com/schv12. htm <http://x31eq.com/schv12.htm>
>
> Graham
>

Hi Graham. Thanks for your help.

I was using MIDI Relay so that must be where I came across the skhv tuning. I've checked 'breed.scl' and the piece I was working on sounds pretty much as I remember it. So that's great. Thank you. I'm looking forward to using that tuning again.

I haven't got the kornerup tuning sounding as it did though. Not sure why. You don't know of any other likely candidate do you? I really thought it was just named 'golden19'. As you say though, I may have firkled with it.

Peter

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Peter Brewis <pbrewis@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Graham. Thanks for your help.
>
> I was using MIDI Relay so that must be where I came across the skhv
> tuning.

I knew those filenames sounded familiar! I used to use
MIDI Relay.

-Carl