on moderators and moderation

FWiW, I've participated very frequently, sporadically, and infrequently on these lists for at least 10 years. Sometimes i look back on my early posts and cringe at my naivete, but that's the way of the life and if there was some honest place it all came from and your learning curve went North, then i guess you're kind of retroactively absolved your sins.
For me, the distance between a moderator's job and a poster's dignity shouldn't be so far off. And over the years i've erased probably hundreds of posts i've made, regardless of whether i thought they were useful or useless, simply believing that the "shelf-life infinity" of the internet is a kind of unnatural imposition on basic human dignity and humility......but that's me.
Anyway, the line here between "numerology" and "sound reasoning" is a an immanently precarious one indeed......some people have the gift to form well-founded reasons in support of their exaggerations, but we all tend to exaggerate in the direction of our interests and experiences....and i guess it's here that i'd personally vote to err on the side of leniency as regards moderation.
Someone like Michael might (or might not) bore me to the brink of death with his posts while also drowning out a pile of other "quieter" posts, but so what? I mean i honestly get plenty enough of an inkling even at a cursory viewing, that he's just speaking his mind here, and doing so in a manner that's perfectly _ON-TOPIC_ regardless of whether or not it seems relevant, overly verbose, self-promotional, prudent, logically sound ,or personally agreeable.
I feel very strongly about this---that it that it's my personal opinion that censorship by moderation should be only carried out in the most obvious of circumstances where spam in the formal sense of the term is sent to hell, repeated questionable postings by questionable contributors are sent to some purgatory if they're manifest in the extreme, and all other varied and sundry whatevers are as they are and that's okay so long as they remotely belong "here".
As an addendum, i think your(Carl's that is) cleaning out of dead links ,members and any other truly positive pruning is very beneficial and not a chore everybody would volunteer for....so thanks for that and on the overall for somehow keeping your hand and mind in this mess and sometimes exhilarating topic fresh after so many years.
daniel

Hi Dan and Carl,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_anthony_stearns" <daniel_anthony_stearns@...> wrote:

> As an addendum, i think your(Carl's that is) cleaning out
> of dead links ,members and any other truly positive pruning
> is very beneficial and not a chore everybody would volunteer
> for....so thanks for that and on the overall for somehow
> keeping your hand and mind in this mess and sometimes
> exhilarating topic fresh after so many years.

And Carl, BTW, i also meant to thank you for doing that
housekeeping. Much appreciated.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com/tonescape.aspx
Tonescape microtonal music software

> As an addendum, i think your(Carl's that is) cleaning out
> of dead links ,members and any other truly positive pruning
> is very beneficial and not a chore everybody would volunteer
> for....so thanks for that and on the overall for somehow
> keeping your hand and mind in this mess and sometimes
> exhilarating topic fresh after so many years.

> And Carl, BTW, i also meant to thank you for doing that
> housekeeping. Much appreciated.

I also fully appreciate that a person of his standing has decided to
undertake the effort of trying and improving the "collective dialog" in this
unique list.
Thanks Carl.

Claudio

---"with his posts while also drowning out a pile of other "quieter" posts" -Daniel
    I get what you are saying here...and one question becomes how to find, say, a quieter post stuck on a thread which I am "dominating".  One idea is to simply post to a different thread or ignore my thread...however, this forum has a weird history of having a bunch of people post on things irrelevant to the original topic...which makes that harder.

--"(cut)...he's just speaking his mind here, and doing so in a manner that's perfectly --_ON-TOPIC_" -Daniel
    Exactly...I'm not, say, trying to sell (porn?) records or advertising "supplemental" Viagra... I'm simply trying to see what is/isn't valid about a scale system I've been working on currently that sounds the best to my ears (even if it sounds terrible to certain other peoples) in hopes someone will find either uses or improvements for it.  If I wanted promotion, I'd play exclusively 12TET, tour, advertise (and in groups far less critical than this one), and try to join a major label.  Which just isn't my ballgame.

--And over the years i've erased probably hundreds of posts i've made....(CUT)... the --"shelf-life infinity" of the internet is a kind of
unnatural imposition on basic human dignity --and humility
    Agreed...and, believe me, if I find something I said several times now is right is wrong a few years later I will not hesitate to apologize.  Personally I will admit again (as I have before) that my whole (x/16 tetra-chord JI) scale was a pretty lousy scale, as were several of my "reverse-harmonic scales" which ended up being just very basic u-tonal scales (as I know now looking back).

--(cut)...moderation should be only carried out in the most obvious of
circumstances where
-- spam in the formal sense of the term is sent to
hell,
  I think we can all agree on that one.  On one hand, we're extremely lucky with how little "technically accurate as" spam we get: so many other yahoo groups have porn and penis-enlargement 'bots floating around as "inactive users"...which is part of why I'm glad Carl did the job of cleaning out any long-inactive users.

-Michael

--- On Mon, 4/13/09, daniel_anthony_stearns <daniel_anthony_stearns@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: daniel_anthony_stearns <daniel_anthony_stearns@yahoo.com>
Subject: [tuning] on moderators and moderation
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 3:16 PM

FWiW, I've participated very frequently, sporadically, and infrequently on these lists for at least 10 years. Sometimes i look back on my early posts and cringe at my naivete, but that's the way of the life and if there was some honest place it all came from and your learning curve went North, then i guess you're kind of retroactively absolved your sins.

For me, the distance between a moderator's job and a poster's dignity shouldn't be so far off. And over the years i've erased probably hundreds of posts i've made, regardless of whether i thought they were useful or useless, simply believing that the "shelf-life infinity" of the internet is a kind of unnatural imposition on basic human dignity and humility.... ..but that's me.

Anyway, the line here between "numerology" and "sound reasoning" is a an immanently precarious one indeed...... some people have the gift to form well-founded reasons in support of their exaggerations, but we all tend to exaggerate in the direction of our interests and experiences. ...and i guess it's here that i'd personally vote to err on the side of leniency as regards moderation.

Someone like Michael might (or might not) bore me to the brink of death with his posts while also drowning out a pile of other "quieter" posts, but so what? I mean i honestly get plenty enough of an inkling even at a cursory viewing, that he's just speaking his mind here, and doing so in a manner that's perfectly _ON-TOPIC_ regardless of whether or not it seems relevant, overly verbose, self-promotional, prudent, logically sound ,or personally agreeable.

I feel very strongly about this---that it that it's my personal opinion that censorship by moderation should be only carried out in the most obvious of circumstances where spam in the formal sense of the term is sent to hell, repeated questionable postings by questionable contributors are sent to some purgatory if they're manifest in the extreme, and all other varied and sundry whatevers are as they are and that's okay so long as they remotely belong "here".

As an addendum, i think your(Carl's that is) cleaning out of dead links ,members and any other truly positive pruning is very beneficial and not a chore everybody would volunteer for....so thanks for that and on the overall for somehow keeping your hand and mind in this mess and sometimes exhilarating topic fresh after so many years.

daniel