Call for tuning files and documentation

I would like to expand the functionality of CSE (free cross-platform microtonal scale editing software
<http://www.h-pi.com/CSEsoftware.html>)
to export and send tunings in formats supported by whatever retunable software or hardware synths anyone uses. Since I can't buy everything on the planet or spend countless hours pouring through confusing documentation for this purpose, I need your help! If you use some software or keyboard that supports retuning using its own unique tuning table format, please send me a file or send me clear documentation which will allow me to implement the format in CSE.

So far CSE supports .scl and .tun files, and it's own .cse files. I am also developing an open transport xml format called TuningXML, which is not yet implemented. So far, a universal tuning script for Kontakt will be part of the next CSE release (thanks to Robert Strauss for pointing me to the free Kontakt demo download which included the scripting documentation which was all I needed for this - luckily NI docs are quite clear). I would like to include as many formats in the next release of CSE as possible.

Please contact me by email or use this form and I will send you an email address to which you can send whatever documents are necessary:
<http://www.h-pi.com/contact.html>

Thanks for your help!
Aaron
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Aaron Andrew Hunt
H-Pi Instruments

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A copy of this message is posted in the H-Pi Forum at <http://www.h-pi.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=140>

Hi Aaron,
Will CSE support outputting midi sysex files?
If so I'll happily get you the documentation for the Yamaha
SY77/TG77/SY99/VL-1/VL-7 if you're willing to write it.
I hate manually tuning every single note on my SY99 all the time.

Marcel

2009/4/7 Aaron Andrew Hunt <aaronhunt@...>

> I would like to expand the functionality of CSE (free cross-platform
> microtonal scale editing software <http://www.h-pi.com/
> CSEsoftware.html>) to export and send tunings in formats supported by
> whatever retunable software or hardware synths anyone uses. Since I
> can't buy everything on the planet or spend countless hours pouring
> through confusing documentation for this purpose, I need your help!
> If you use some software or keyboard that supports retuning using its
> own unique tuning table format, please send me a file or send me
> clear documentation which will allow me to implement the format in CSE.
>
> So far CSE supports .scl and .tun files, and it's own .cse files. I
> am also developing an open transport xml format called TuningXML,
> which is not yet implemented. So far, a universal tuning script for
> Kontakt will be part of the next CSE release (thanks to Robert
> Strauss for pointing me to the free Kontakt demo download which
> included the scripting documentation which was all I needed for this
> - luckily NI docs are quite clear). I would like to include as many
> formats in the next release of CSE as possible.
>
> Please contact me by email or use this form and I will send you an
> email address to which you can send whatever documents are necessary:
> <http://www.h-pi.com/contact.html>
>

>
> Will CSE support outputting midi sysex files?
> If so I'll happily get you the documentation for the Yamaha
> SY77/TG77/SY99/VL-1/VL-7 if you're willing to write it.
> I hate manually tuning every single note on my SY99 all the time.
>

Nevermind.

I just found out that Scala does this perfectly allready :D
All this time I had been doing it manually thinking Scala didn't support
sending the tuning by sysex, but it does!
I somehow managed to mess up when I tried it about 2 years back I think, and
never looked back.
All this time of manual editing finally over lol

Marcel

>
> I have Scala installed on my Mac running under X11 but
> it crashes. I can't even get Scala installed on my Dell laptop...
>
> Scala may do all this already, CSE should do it too, if for no
> other reason than CSE is GUI based and *easy to use*, and that
> makes a huge difference for newcomers. It is also compatible
> with Scala.
>

Huuh?
How can you disrespect Scala like this?
Scala is amaaazing.
And Scala is GUI based too, and I figured out how to use it within a day
back when I started.
It used to be sometimes problematic to install but it seems that probem is
fixed too now with GTK (check update history for specifics)
Maybe you should install the latest version.

Marcel

I mean absolutely no disrespect to Scala, and
definitely no disrespect whatsoever to its creator!
If I gave any impression at all of being disrespectful,
please believe me it was not intended in the least,
and I hold this software and its creator in the
highest regard!

I am simply asking for help to make an alternative
free software program better. I hope I've made that
clear.

I'll now cease posting about this here. Anyone who
would like to help make some free microtonal
software more versatile, please contact me off
list.

Thank you,
Aaron
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Aaron Andrew Hunt
H-Pi Instruments
<http://www.h-pi.com>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Marcel de Velde <m.develde@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > I have Scala installed on my Mac running under X11 but
> > it crashes. I can't even get Scala installed on my Dell laptop...
> >
> > Scala may do all this already, CSE should do it too, if for no
> > other reason than CSE is GUI based and *easy to use*, and that
> > makes a huge difference for newcomers. It is also compatible
> > with Scala.
> >
>
> Huuh?
> How can you disrespect Scala like this?
> Scala is amaaazing.
> And Scala is GUI based too, and I figured out how to use it within a day
> back when I started.
> It used to be sometimes problematic to install but it seems that probem is
> fixed too now with GTK (check update history for specifics)
> Maybe you should install the latest version.
>
> Marcel
>

Before I leave, I should clarify: I was saying that
Scala by history is not a GUI app; it has some
GUI-like features but it is a command-line app.
As such, it *is* easy to use if you are familiar with
or prefer command line apps.

Yours,
Aaron
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--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Marcel de Velde <m.develde@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > I have Scala installed on my Mac running under X11 but
> > it crashes. I can't even get Scala installed on my Dell laptop...
> >
> > Scala may do all this already, CSE should do it too, if for no
> > other reason than CSE is GUI based and *easy to use*, and that
> > makes a huge difference for newcomers. It is also compatible
> > with Scala.
> >
>
> Huuh?
> How can you disrespect Scala like this?
> Scala is amaaazing.
> And Scala is GUI based too, and I figured out how to use it within a day
> back when I started.
> It used to be sometimes problematic to install but it seems that probem is
> fixed too now with GTK (check update history for specifics)
> Maybe you should install the latest version.
>
> Marcel
>

Hi Aaron,

> I have Scala installed on my Mac running under X11 but
> it crashes.

That's a known problem with Leopard.

> I can't even get Scala installed on my Dell laptop...

What happens? I've never had a problem getting it to
work on a Windows machine. It even runs on Vista 64. :)

> Scala may do all this already, CSE should do it too, if for no
> other reason than CSE is GUI based and *easy to use*, and that
> makes a huge difference for newcomers.

I haven't tried CSE yet, but I plan to. I agree that the
Scala UI can be offputting (though I think it's not as bad
as some have made it out to be).

-Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@...> wrote:
> > I can't even get Scala installed on my Dell laptop...
>
> What happens?

It is in fact the GTK issue. I installed the latest version of everything
and it still gives an error message and won't install.

The crashing on my mac is random and most certainly an X11
issue and not a Scala code issue.

Let me emphasize that these are problems with how different
platforms operate with respect to Scala. Scala itself is therefore
not the offending factor...

If anything, the problems I have with Scala are a result of my
lack of knowledge of platforms other than mac, and my
relative lack of patience with things that aren't point and
click - these are my personal shortcomings and preferences.

Cheers,
Aaron
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--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Andrew Hunt" <aaronhunt@...> wrote:

> Let me emphasize that these are problems with how different
> platforms operate with respect to Scala. Scala itself is therefore
> not the offending factor...

Well, Manuel could work around the Leopard issue, and I
wish he would. Actually I think there's a manual workaround
(downgrading X11?) but I've never bothered to implement it.
But yes, life is hard as a crossplatform application that's
over 12 years old.

> If anything, the problems I have with Scala are a result of my
> lack of knowledge of platforms other than mac, and my
> relative lack of patience with things that aren't point and
> click - these are my personal shortcomings and preferences.

I can't be sure, but I don't think Marcel meant his comment
so earnestly. You may have noticed he's prone to exaggeration.
I'm a huge fan of Scala and use it all the time, but I have
no problem recognizing its shortcomings. There's no doubt
that, as one man's hobby it's an incredible achievement. In
fact, I was going to suggest (if I didn't before) that you
contact Manuel for info on the sysex eccentricities of various
synths. He's done an incredible amount of detective work and
I imagine he would share it with you.

-Carl

>
> You may have noticed he's prone to exaggeration

Excuse me?

There's a difference between excitement and beeing driven, and a negative
word like exaggeration.

And where did I "exaggerate" acording to you in this thread Carl?
All I did was defend my favorite app after I misunderstood Aaron's comments
on Scala (I thought wrongly he was all of a sudden trying to make Scala look
bad in order to make his program look good)

And to Aaron,

If your CSE is truly free and remains so (I hope this is the case) isn't
Manual willing to help?
You can look in Scala's source and get easy compatibility with all the
synths that way.
Why do everything twice?
Or is it your intention to also use this synthesizer compatibility in
commercial applications?

Marcel

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Marcel de Velde <m.develde@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > You may have noticed he's prone to exaggeration
>
>
> Excuse me?
>
> There's a difference between excitement and beeing driven, and
> a negative word like exaggeration.

Alright, alright, settle down, I meant no offense.

> And where did I "exaggerate" acording to you in this thread Carl?

OK exaggeration isn't the right word, sorry about that.
I should have said, "known for making impassioned remarks".

-Carl

>
> Alright, alright, settle down, I meant no offense.
>
> > And where did I "exaggerate" acording to you in this thread Carl?
>
> OK exaggeration isn't the right word, sorry about that.
> I should have said, "known for making impassioned remarks".
>

Ah I'm sorry then.
I seem to have a day where I wrongly interpret things in a negative way.

Peace :)
Marcel

Hi Marcel and Carl.

Thanks for the suggestions; I've contacted Manuel so
we'll see how things go. Also I have received some help
from others off list, so I do hope to make some progress
with this!

Passion for microtuning indeed runs high among us
super-serious tuning-geeks! ; )

Cheers,
Aaron
=====

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Marcel de Velde <m.develde@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > Alright, alright, settle down, I meant no offense.
> >
> > > And where did I "exaggerate" acording to you in this thread Carl?
> >
> > OK exaggeration isn't the right word, sorry about that.
> > I should have said, "known for making impassioned remarks".
> >
>
> Ah I'm sorry then.
> I seem to have a day where I wrongly interpret things in a negative way.
>
> Peace :)
> Marcel
>