step away from the computer - Attn. list owner

I read the list (when I have time) on the online archives - which
display chunks of 30 messages per page. Out of the last 30, EIGHTEEN
have been from the same person - sometimes in consecutive sequences of
6 or more - and one has been an automatic notification that this
person has uploaded a file.
/tuning/topicId_81942.html#82011?o=1&xm=1&l=1

There are actually more than 1300 members, and I am asking myself:
under what circumstances is it remotely justifiable, does it make any
sense at all, that ONE person out of these 1300+ should be sending
more than half of the messages?

Even if it is just two people carrying on a dialogue, it is not
reasonable for one to send twice as many messages as the other. There
can be no dialogue if one person doesn't wait for the other to reply
before speaking again, and again, and again, and again...

Moreover, the great majority of these messages simply have NO CONTENT.
They don't actually tell us anything about music or tuning. They tell
us a lot about the author's psychological state, but that's a subject
on which I would rather not know so much.

I must consider the current state of this list as almost totally
dysfunctional so far as any constructive or interesting discussion of
tuning is concerned. I WILL NOT be contributing or reading any further
so long as the list is being abused with verbal diarrhoea, by someone
who has, quite obviously, NO CLUE that real people live on the other
end of the internet and have either to read, or sort through and
discard, everything he types. Spam is abuse, and these mails are 90%
spam and ruin the value of the list and the archives.

If I were in a room with 1000 people, and precisely one of them was
speaking almost all the time, and what he said was both repetitive and
self-contradictory, and made no sense almost all the time, I would
leave that room pretty darn fast.

I urge the list owner to take action. I also urge Marcel to send no
more than 1 message per day, because that seems to me the best way to
avoid the list owner having to take action. If you choose to reply to
this message, consider: so long as I see a page of 30 messages and
more than 15 are from the same person, the list is dead for me.
Sincerely,
~~~T~~~

Dear Tom,

On Mar 3, 2009, at 3:59 PM, Tom Dent wrote:
>
> There are actually more than 1300 members, and I am asking myself:
> under what circumstances is it remotely justifiable, does it make any
> sense at all, that ONE person out of these 1300+ should be sending
> more than half of the messages?

> Moreover, the great majority of these messages simply have NO CONTENT.

I fully agree. I already installed a filter for the messages of said person.

Only I don't quite understand why people keep replying. I feel that this list is clearly trolled (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/What_is_a_troll%3F), and a common piece of advice regarding trolls is "Please do not feed the trolls."

Best
Torsten

On Mar 3, 2009, at 3:59 PM, Tom Dent wrote:
> I read the list (when I have time) on the online archives - which
> display chunks of 30 messages per page. Out of the last 30, EIGHTEEN
> have been from the same person - sometimes in consecutive sequences of
> 6 or more - and one has been an automatic notification that this
> person has uploaded a file.
> /tuning/topicId_81942.html#82011?> o=1&xm=1&l=1
>
> There are actually more than 1300 members, and I am asking myself:
> under what circumstances is it remotely justifiable, does it make any
> sense at all, that ONE person out of these 1300+ should be sending
> more than half of the messages?
>
> Even if it is just two people carrying on a dialogue, it is not
> reasonable for one to send twice as many messages as the other. There
> can be no dialogue if one person doesn't wait for the other to reply
> before speaking again, and again, and again, and again...
>
> Moreover, the great majority of these messages simply have NO CONTENT.
> They don't actually tell us anything about music or tuning. They tell
> us a lot about the author's psychological state, but that's a subject
> on which I would rather not know so much.
>
> I must consider the current state of this list as almost totally
> dysfunctional so far as any constructive or interesting discussion of
> tuning is concerned. I WILL NOT be contributing or reading any further
> so long as the list is being abused with verbal diarrhoea, by someone
> who has, quite obviously, NO CLUE that real people live on the other
> end of the internet and have either to read, or sort through and
> discard, everything he types. Spam is abuse, and these mails are 90%
> spam and ruin the value of the list and the archives.
>
> If I were in a room with 1000 people, and precisely one of them was
> speaking almost all the time, and what he said was both repetitive and
> self-contradictory, and made no sense almost all the time, I would
> leave that room pretty darn fast.
>
> I urge the list owner to take action. I also urge Marcel to send no
> more than 1 message per day, because that seems to me the best way to
> avoid the list owner having to take action. If you choose to reply to
> this message, consider: so long as I see a page of 30 messages and
> more than 15 are from the same person, the list is dead for me.
> Sincerely,
> ~~~T~~~
>
>
>

Tom, If you don't want to sort through anything I write I suggest you do
thesame as Torsten and filter out my messages.
Problem solved, could have figured that out by yourself too right?

Further just about all of my messages are about music.
This one by you isn't.

The first months I spent on this list I read only spradically a thread. The
messages come in an seperate folder so no problem not to check for a week or
so, it doesn't interfere with my other email.
And then you can also pick out the threads you want to read.

So I don't see anything wrong with typing a lot of messages.
Besides who decides what's a good message and what's not.
You can only decide this for yourself.
I don't like messages that don't have anything to do with JI.
And don't like most that's written on this list.
But I'm not going to say throw out the meantone people.

Besides this all.
I have made the most important kind of contribution one can make on this
list by solving the Lasso piece and showing JI is the way and not meantone
or adaptive JI.

So no I'm not going to listen to you at all.
And continue to do things my way.
Which will lead to something instead of this list that has up till now led
to nothing.

Marcel

No, Marcel, this is about taking a "hint" and

respecting the old hands here. Just heed them,

don't dig in your heels and argue.

On Mar 3, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Marcel de Velde wrote:

>
> Tom, If you don't want to sort through anything I write I suggest > you do thesame as Torsten and filter out my messages.
> Problem solved, could have figured that out by yourself too right?
>
> Further just about all of my messages are about music.
> This one by you isn't.
>
> The first months I spent on this list I read only spradically a > thread. The messages come in an seperate folder so no problem not to > check for a week or so, it doesn't interfere with my other email.
> And then you can also pick out the threads you want to read.
>
> So I don't see anything wrong with typing a lot of messages.
> Besides who decides what's a good message and what's not.
> You can only decide this for yourself.
> I don't like messages that don't have anything to do with JI.
> And don't like most that's written on this list.
> But I'm not going to say throw out the meantone people.
>
> Besides this all.
> I have made the most important kind of contribution one can make on > this list by solving the Lasso piece and showing JI is the way and > not meantone or adaptive JI.
>
> So no I'm not going to listen to you at all.
> And continue to do things my way.
> Which will lead to something instead of this list that has up till > now led to nothing.
>
> Marcel
>
>