Fw: Re: PHI: new version of scala file with "only the scale"

---the 002 file is a piano improvisation... I'm not too happy with it
because I found it difficult ---to have more than 2 real tonal centers.

      This is actually really good news in a twisted way...meaning I have something non-mathematical that represents an area for improvement I need to focus on from a listening, as opposed to a mathematical, perspective. Thank you very much for the constructive criticism, Chris! :-)

  At least...it looks like I have gotten further along in that aspect than I did with my last x/16 (harmonic series-based) scale which, according to you, had only one real tonal center.  For the record...how many tonal centers are you ultimately hoping for as a minimum (3,4,5, more?)

-Michael

--- On Sun, 2/15/09, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:

From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
Subject:
Re: PHI: new version of scala file with "only the scale"
To: "Michael Sheiman" <djtrancendance@...>
Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 5:39 PM

released

[img]http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n46/john502/EdgeART.jpg[/img]

These are exercises in using a 11 note subset of the Golden Ratio tuning.

There are two pieces at

http://micro.soonlabel.com/phiter/

the synth one is ambient - and I think Mike succeeds in having a tuning that creates a different mood than 12 tet. The picture is for this one.

the 002 file is a piano improvisation... I'm not too happy with it because I found it difficult to have more than 2 real tonal centers.

Its here for completeness

Chris

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:

This is better.

I got a synth piece played on my guitar in 2 tracks. - next I try piano.

(I'm masrtering the first one now)

On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 1:10 AM, Michael Sheiman <djtrancendance@...> wrote:

Chris,

Try my new scale (scale as opposed to tuning) at http://www.geocities.com/djtrancendance/PHITER.scl

   As explained on http://www.geocities.com/djtrancendance/, this version only includes the set of 11 consonant notes that work and not all 18 (like the last version did).  So the scale I gave is basically and 11 note chord (it has about 8 notes per every 2/1 "normal" octave, 11 per it's own octave).

   So hopefully this will cure most of your ills about finding the right intervals and make it easier for you to just hop in and compose something convincingly tonal sounding.

  I'd appreciate it if you please let me now

1) when you get this
2) what you think of it
3) if there's any way I can help make it easier to use for you (including identifying any problems you have with the
scale)

Hope this helps, Michael

--- On Fri, 2/13/09, Chris Vaisvil <onl> wrote:

From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...>
Subject: Re: [tuning] Re: retrying missing message
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com

Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 5:34 PM

No theory when you teach yourself Carl.

Have fun - find a bridge and get out of the box.

Its healthy for you.

On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Carl Lumma <carl@...> wrote:

--- In tuning@yahoogroups. com, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@ ...> wrote:

>

> Carl,

>

> The american slaves from africa who invented the popular

> microtonal usage we see in practice today had no theory and

> I would argue would not see a need to talk to you about it.

I don't think blues is a particularly microtonal artform.

Also African-American music is at least as European as it

is African. The slaves inherited the theory embodied in

the instruments they encountered.

> You seem to be on a mission to build boxes and limitations.

Oh?

> This is what gives you the appearance of being

> "the establishment". You consistantly find problems, not

> solutions.

I think I see a problem with your reasoning here, Chris.

> You seem to forget that instruments capable of microtonal music

> exist today and are wide spread.

You seem to think you understand what "microtonal music"

is, but I don't think you understand its potential.

> If you really want "popular" I suggest you actually look at what is

> happening in the world today without blinders and pre-conceptions

> because it is already out there.

What do you know about what music I have heard, enjoyed,

participated in, and studied?

> its just not in the way *you* want.

You're projecting, Chris. I haven't said anything about

what I want.

-Carl