Re: [tuning] twenty-tone equal temperament

I'm really interested - but it will not download.....

I would not think it is because I'm using firefox in ubuntu... but I click
and -nothing- happens.

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 5:26 PM, daniel_anthony_stearns <
daniel_anthony_stearns@...> wrote:

> Being something of a dyed-in-the-wool, congenital pantheist, I've
> never had any real doubts or suspicions letting myself try to get at
> things in either an analytical or an intuitive way. These things just
> kind of seem to happen one way or the other, and while they can often
> seem to have little to with one another on the surface of things, I
> think that given a common end, these are essentially the very same
> fundamental impulses.
>
> I think one of the more difficult things in a microtuning like 20-
> tone equal temperament--one devoid of an obvious fifth and third in
> the traditional sense---is defining it in note-names not
> diametrically at odds with the common practice. Over the years I've
> tried a lot of things, and as a guitarist tab makes a very convenient
> shorthand almost entirely devoid of the traditional problems of note-
> spelling/naming when it comes to consistency. However, I also find it
> convenient to use traditional note names.
>
> One compromise I've used a bit is to look at the diatonic nucleus of
> 20-tone equal temperament not so much as a one-dimensional, single
> generator Pythagorean like entity (the fifths at either 12/20 or
> 11/20 obviate this anyway), but rather as an extreme member of the
> two-dimensional, syntonic diatonic where the 15:16 of the syntonic
> diatonic represented as an very flat 1/20th of and octave, the 9:10
> well-represented 3/20th of and octave, and the 8:9 as very sharp
> 4/20ths of an octave:
>
> 4314341
> 0 240 420 480 720 900 1140 1200
>
> This would give a note-spelling scheme with internally consistent yet
> pitch-discrete enharmonics at Db/C#, Ebb/D, Fb/E, F/E#, Abb/G, Ab/G#,
> Bb/A#, and Cb/B, as well as pitch-equivalent enharmonic at B#/Dbb,
> D#/Eb, F#/Gb, and A/Bbb:
>
> C Db Ebb Eb Fb F F# Abb Ab Bbb
> Bb Cb Dbb
> | \ \ | \ \ |
> \ \ | \ \ |
> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14
> 15 16 17 18 19 20
> | \ \ | \ \ |
> \ \ | \ \ |
> C C# D D# E E# Gb G G#
> A A# B B#
>
> One of the great benefits of microtonal guitars is their flexibility,
> and I think one great unexplored area of this is the subtle extended
> technique of how you tune your open strings. As an example of this
> I'd mention one I'm quite fond of--tuning the open strings of a
> equally tempered guitar to just intonation. By introducing JI to the
> open strings of an ET fretting, you create an array of commatic
> differences between like-named notes. I use this approach a lot, and
> here's a simple example from the 20-TET guitar:
>
> Let's say the lowest string if tuned to something like F# and you
> then lay a 5-limit minor triad based 15:20:24:30:40:48 arrangement
> out low to high. You'd then have say F# B D F# B D as a root, fourth,
> minor sixth, root, fourth, minor sixth. But you'd also create a
> shimmering array of situations were say the open B strings are
> slightly flatter than the fretted B on the D strings and slightly
> sharper than a fretted D on the F# strings, and it's precisely these
> kinds of commatic effects I try to exploit in an arrangement like
> this... with that in mind, here are a few rough examples taken in the
> above style recorded direct with no fanciness:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/d9k4cu
>
> The first one is of the minor and open 6th variety, the second a
> simple two chord progression highlighting that peculiar sweet and
> sour clash of 5-limit JI and 5-tone equal temperament and the third
> one is again exploiting the 10:12:15 minor gravitational pull of the
> open-string tuning as it sits atop a descending line where the G
> against F# hardly sounds any less strange than the shimmering,
> commatic "unisons".
>
>
>

This site will allow free hosting without the hassle

http://download.modplug.com/

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 5:40 PM, daniel_anthony_stearns <
daniel_anthony_stearns@...> wrote:

> http://tinyurl.com/alqnum
>
>
>

Dan,

I just made up my mind

I'll make this offer for all tuning and making micro list people

I'll host your music or files for people on this list to DL load.

I am part owner of soonlabel.com and the site doesn't come up for renewal
until august 09 and if I'm still working renewal won't be a problem.

I'll accept submissions by email, (google's limit is 28 megs) and post them
in about 24 hrs or less.
Just PM it to me - I reserve the right not to host something I deem will get
me in trouble.

Chris

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 5:57 PM, daniel_anthony_stearns <
daniel_anthony_stearns@...> wrote:

> sorry chris, i didn't realize it would be a problem... i'll check the
> modplug link you mentioned
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com <tuning%40yahoogroups.com>, Chris Vaisvil
> <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
> >
> > This site will allow free hosting without the hassle
> >
> > http://download.modplug.com/
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 5:40 PM, daniel_anthony_stearns <
> > daniel_anthony_stearns@...> wrote:
> >
> > > http://tinyurl.com/alqnum
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>

Well, the offer is open to everyone who needs it.

I have unlimited traffic (not unlimited streams).

I really want to hear your piece - so its all selfish of course ;-)

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:42 PM, daniel_anthony_stearns <
daniel_anthony_stearns@...> wrote:

> thanks chris,i'll check this for sure...but mostly i just do what i
> do and if people check it or like it that's great, it's not much
> different that if they don't check it or don't like it
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com <tuning%40yahoogroups.com>, Chris Vaisvil
> <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
> >
> > Dan,
> >
> > I just made up my mind
> >
> > I'll make this offer for all tuning and making micro list people
> >
> > I'll host your music or files for people on this list to DL load.
> >
> > I am part owner of soonlabel.com and the site doesn't come up for
> renewal
> > until august 09 and if I'm still working renewal won't be a problem.
> >
> > I'll accept submissions by email, (google's limit is 28 megs) and
> post them
> > in about 24 hrs or less.
> > Just PM it to me - I reserve the right not to host something I deem
> will get
> > me in trouble.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 5:57 PM, daniel_anthony_stearns <
> > daniel_anthony_stearns@...> wrote:
> >
> > > sorry chris, i didn't realize it would be a problem... i'll
> check the
> > > modplug link you mentioned
> > >
> > > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com <tuning%40yahoogroups.com> <tuning%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, Chris
> Vaisvil
> > > <chrisvaisvil@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This site will allow free hosting without the hassle
> > > >
> > > > http://download.modplug.com/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 5:40 PM, daniel_anthony_stearns <
> > > > daniel_anthony_stearns@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > http://tinyurl.com/alqnum
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>

Sure, do you want me to host it for you?

chrisvaisvil@...

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 6:09 PM, daniel_anthony_stearns <
daniel_anthony_stearns@yahoo.com> wrote:

> hi chris.it's not a piece at all, but rather a few rough/short
> examples that accompany the ideas in the text---->it's a small file,
> can i send it to you via email?
>
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com <tuning%40yahoogroups.com>, Chris Vaisvil
> <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
> >
> > Well, the offer is open to everyone who needs it.
> >
> > I have unlimited traffic (not unlimited streams).
> >
> > I really want to hear your piece - so its all selfish of course ;-)
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:42 PM, daniel_anthony_stearns <
> > daniel_anthony_stearns@...> wrote:
> >
> > > thanks chris,i'll check this for sure...but mostly i just do
> what i
> > > do and if people check it or like it that's great, it's not much
> > > different that if they don't check it or don't like it
> > >
> > > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com <tuning%40yahoogroups.com> <tuning%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, Chris
> Vaisvil
> > > <chrisvaisvil@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dan,
> > > >
> > > > I just made up my mind
> > > >
> > > > I'll make this offer for all tuning and making micro list people
> > > >
> > > > I'll host your music or files for people on this list to DL
> load.
> > > >
> > > > I am part owner of soonlabel.com and the site doesn't come up
> for
> > > renewal
> > > > until august 09 and if I'm still working renewal won't be a
> problem.
> > > >
> > > > I'll accept submissions by email, (google's limit is 28 megs)
> and
> > > post them
> > > > in about 24 hrs or less.
> > > > Just PM it to me - I reserve the right not to host something I
> deem
> > > will get
> > > > me in trouble.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 5:57 PM, daniel_anthony_stearns <
> > > > daniel_anthony_stearns@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > sorry chris, i didn't realize it would be a problem... i'll
> > > check the
> > > > > modplug link you mentioned
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com <tuning%40yahoogroups.com> <tuning%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
> <tuning%
> > > 40yahoogroups.com>, Chris
> > > Vaisvil
> > > > > <chrisvaisvil@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This site will allow free hosting without the hassle
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://download.modplug.com/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 5:40 PM, daniel_anthony_stearns <
> > > > > > daniel_anthony_stearns@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/alqnum
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>

something to remember here is that this is a property unique to dual
intonated instruments where the original fixed pitch template is
capable of being altered by extended technique (here that would be
non-template scordatura, in the literal sense of the word).And it's
something I've used for years that really throws a wrench in the
armchair, theoretical type observations of this or that tuning. In
other words, 13 or 11 equal can sound sweet as a rose in this method,
or conversely, simple 5-limit JI can be subverted with all manner of
alien notes .

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> This site will allow free hosting without the hassle
>
> http://download.modplug.com/
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 5:40 PM, daniel_anthony_stearns <
> daniel_anthony_stearns@...> wrote:
>
> > http://tinyurl.com/alqnum
> >
> >
> >
>