Microsoft SongSmith

Wow, this is going to revolutionize the entire music industry, and for
the better for sure! I'm just waiting for them to add full JI support....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0zGAB40GYA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFk5Ab3NPkY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7qyjLuWVU8

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   One thing I really wondering about the "abstract backing algorithm" they use to make chords that match a melody...
  I am betting their program does a lot of looking at
A) all possible chords that can be created to match a note
B) what the last chord was
and then...
C) makes a chord that is very close to the last chord (IE c e g may become d f g or c f g)

    At least judging by the backing chords created by the program in the examples...it sound like this is a lot of what they are doing. 
   This also would make a lot of sense as if you take scales going around the circle of fifths...they share 6 notes in common and have only one note not in common (which equals a very smooth transition between keys that are a 5th apart).

   Does anyone
else suspect this?  Why or why not?

-Michael

--- On Sat, 1/10/09, Mats Öljare <oljare@...> wrote:

From: Mats Öljare <oljare@...>
Subject: [tuning] Microsoft SongSmith
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 3:56 PM

Wow, this is going to revolutionize the entire music industry, and for

the better for sure! I'm just waiting for them to add full JI support....

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=d0zGAB40GYA

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=GFk5Ab3NPkY

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=j7qyjLuWVU8

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Not a bad idea.

However ... is it ME? Because listening to the FIRST song reminds me of the
first time I saw the Window XP "Teletubby" background: that is, I feel like
if somebody had applied to me that classical medieval punishment: covering
your skin with honey and feathers ... Aaaaaarggggghhhhhh! Please get that
thing away from meee!!!

Claudio

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From: tuning@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tuning@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Mats Öljare
Sent: 10 January 2009 23:57
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tuning] Microsoft SongSmith

Wow, this is going to revolutionize the entire music industry, and for
the better for sure! I'm just waiting for them to add full JI support....

http://www.youtube. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0zGAB40GYA>
com/watch?v=d0zGAB40GYA
http://www.youtube. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFk5Ab3NPkY>
com/watch?v=GFk5Ab3NPkY
http://www.youtube. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7qyjLuWVU8>
com/watch?v=j7qyjLuWVU8

I lasted 25 seconds, but only because I'm in a good mood.

Mommy, make it stop.

Caleb

On Jan 11, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Claudio Di Veroli wrote:

>
> Not a bad idea.
>
> However ... is it ME? Because listening to the FIRST song reminds me
> of the first time I saw the Window XP "Teletubby" background: that
> is, I feel like if somebody had applied to me that classical
> medieval punishment: covering your skin with honey and feathers ...
> Aaaaaarggggghhhhhh! Please get that thing away from meee!!!
>
> Claudio
>
> From: tuning@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tuning@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Mats Öljare
> Sent: 10 January 2009 23:57
> To: tuning@...m
> Subject: [tuning] Microsoft SongSmith
>
> Wow, this is going to revolutionize the entire music industry, and for
> the better for sure! I'm just waiting for them to add full JI
> support....
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0zGAB40GYA
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFk5Ab3NPkY
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7qyjLuWVU8
>
>
>
>

   Hehehehe....well that means good parenting on your part.  If it tried to stuff something it obviously couldn't figure out e-f-e into a g-major that says something nasty about the program...IE if it can't find a matching chord it will just pick a very pure/consonant chord in the general vicinity to "make up for" the notes it can't match.   G B D E is not exactly what I'd call a fair chord (IE looks like E is a neighboring tone), G B D F is not even in the same key (where is the F#?!).

   At least...your daughter can tell the fake-ness.  My other question is how the heck did you buy her a Martin (very high quality type of acoustic)...last time I checked over $1500 was not an uncommon price for those: I learned to play on my dad's Martin; it's a great guitar.

-Michael

--- On Sat, 1/10/09, Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:

From: Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [tuning] Microsoft SongSmith
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 8:25 PM

I sang the opening Robert Plant riff to the immigrant song and it took f-f (octave) e f wail as a 7th to a g major :-\

The girls thought "its not that good" - and "its stupid"

But then my Emily (12 year old) is learning to play the 3/4 Martin acoustic I bought her, so it's like my son when asked "do you play guitar hero? he says No need, I play real guitar..."

On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 11:18 PM, <djtrancendance@ yahoo.com> wrote:

   One thing I really wondering about the "abstract backing algorithm" they use to make chords that match a melody...
  I am betting their program does a lot of looking at
A) all possible chords that can be created to match a note

B) what the last chord was
and then...
C) makes a chord that is very close to the last chord (IE c e g may become d f g or c f g)

    At least judging by the backing chords created by the program in the examples...it sound like this is a lot of what they are doing. 

   This also would make a lot of sense as if you take scales going around the circle of fifths...they share 6 notes in common and have only one note not in common (which equals a very smooth transition between keys that are a 5th apart).

   Does anyone
else suspect this?  Why or why not?

-Michael

--- On Sat, 1/10/09, Mats Öljare <oljare@hotmail. com> wrote:

From: Mats Öljare <oljare@hotmail. com>
Subject: [tuning] Microsoft SongSmith
To: tuning@yahoogroups. com

Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 3:56 PM

Wow, this is going to revolutionize the entire music industry, and for

the better for sure! I'm just waiting for them to add full JI support....

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=d0zGAB40GYA

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=GFk5Ab3NPkY

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=j7qyjLuWVU8