A "spicy little thing" to guess

I put a file here, about 2.2 Mb:

http://x31eq.com/kzta1.mp3

Maybe you can guess when and where the atmospheric field recording was
done. Or at least talk about the tuning.

Graham

To me it sounds like Vietnam/China ... Cannot decide between the two. -- Or maybe even Laos.

Petr

Last sentence sounds to me like Chinese, from the expression it can be something like "OK, you did well!". But...

Rhythm is too perfect to be pure folk musicians, and they play too mechanical, without expression, like Westerners playing just some notes from the score, one by one, not music. Also intonation of singers is not in tune with alternate tuning of instruments, and way of singing, too. Also timbre of voices is not Chinese, it sounds more like educated Western classical opera voices.

So my guess is it is some camp, summer class or so, of Chinese music for foreigners, and they show what they have learned. Still long way to sound really like Chinese music, it seems to me too Western, too academic. But of course I can be totally wrong.

Daniel Forro

On 12 Nov 2008, at 8:43 PM, Graham Breed wrote:

> I put a file here, about 2.2 Mb:
>
> http://x31eq.com/kzta1.mp3
>
> Maybe you can guess when and where the atmospheric field recording was
> done. Or at least talk about the tuning.
>
> Graham
>
>

It seems to contain the notes F-C-G-D-A and the tonic seems to be D

This suggests that it is the scale which I have coded as:

4/0/4

info here:

http://www.lucytune.com/scales/

which is the pentatonic known by various names including:

Blues Pentatonic

Pyongjo Kyemyonjo (Korea)

Minyo (Japan)

or Japanese Hard Descending.

It uses five contiguous notes on the chain of fourths and fifths,

in C it contains the notes

C Eb F G Bb

The origins are prolly revealed by the speech at the end, which tells us the language used between the musicians.

I'm not sure what the tuning is, as it moves around, yet on Melodyne it shows as fairly close to 12edo.

On 12 Nov 2008, at 11:43, Graham Breed wrote:

> I put a file here, about 2.2 Mb:
>
> http://x31eq.com/kzta1.mp3
>
> Maybe you can guess when and where the atmospheric field recording was
> done. Or at least talk about the tuning.
>
> Graham
>
>
Charles Lucy
lucy@...

- Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning -

for information on LucyTuning go to:
http://www.lucytune.com

For LucyTuned Lullabies go to:
http://www.lullabies.co.uk

I'm seriously outclassed, and ashamed that I let any of you hear my terrible pseudo-non western cues (I did it 'cause I was paid!)

but I'm going to go with authentic---somewhere in Asia.

caleb

On Nov 12, 2008, at 7:16 AM, Daniel Forro wrote:

> Last sentence sounds to me like Chinese, from the expression it can
> be something like "OK, you did well!". But...
>
> Rhythm is too perfect to be pure folk musicians, and they play too
> mechanical, without expression, like Westerners playing just some
> notes from the score, one by one, not music. Also intonation of
> singers is not in tune with alternate tuning of instruments, and way
> of singing, too. Also timbre of voices is not Chinese, it sounds more
> like educated Western classical opera voices.
>
> So my guess is it is some camp, summer class or so, of Chinese music
> for foreigners, and they show what they have learned. Still long way
> to sound really like Chinese music, it seems to me too Western, too
> academic. But of course I can be totally wrong.
>
> Daniel Forro
>
> On 12 Nov 2008, at 8:43 PM, Graham Breed wrote:
>
> > I put a file here, about 2.2 Mb:
> >
> > http://x31eq.com/kzta1.mp3
> >
> > Maybe you can guess when and where the atmospheric field recording > was
> > done. Or at least talk about the tuning.
> >
> > Graham
> >
> >
>
>
>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Breed" <gbreed@...> wrote:
>
> I put a file here, about 2.2 Mb:
>
> http://x31eq.com/kzta1.mp3
>
> Maybe you can guess when and where the atmospheric field
> recording was done. Or at least talk about the tuning.
>
>
> Graham

I think you've been hacked, Graham. -Carl

2008/11/13 Carl Lumma <carl@...>:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Breed" <gbreed@...> wrote:
>>
>> I put a file here, about 2.2 Mb:
>>
>> http://x31eq.com/kzta1.mp3
>>
>> Maybe you can guess when and where the atmospheric field
>> recording was done. Or at least talk about the tuning.
>
> I think you've been hacked, Graham. -Carl

Have I? I don't see any other files with yesterday's date.

Graham

Graham Breed wrote:
> I put a file here, about 2.2 Mb:
> > http://x31eq.com/kzta1.mp3
> > Maybe you can guess when and where the atmospheric field recording was
> done. Or at least talk about the tuning.

"Spicy" as in Szechuan? Hunan?

Could be Thai, I guess, but it sounds Chinese to me.

2008/11/12 caleb morgan <calebmrgn@yahoo.com>:
> I'm seriously outclassed, and ashamed that I let any of you hear my terrible
> pseudo-non western cues (I did it 'cause I was paid!)
> but I'm going to go with authentic---somewhere in Asia.

Thank you to those who commented. I recorded it in KuaiZaiTing park
(快哉亭公园) a few hours before my original message. So it's authentically
Chinese but maybe not folk music. At least some of what they do is
Maoist and I'm guessing it's all songs they learned at school.

It's interesting that we had a guess for Vietnam. It does sound
south-east Asian to me. We're nearer to Korea than Vietnam so it
shows there's some continuity on the region.

The plucked string instrument is de-fretted. From looking at his
fingers he seems to be going for Pythagorean, or an exaggeration of it
relative to 12-equal. But every now and then it looks like he fingers
a quartertone. The open strings are tuned to match the erhus and he's
still adjusting it at the start of the piece you heard. I think
there's a high note at the start that's wrong.

I've got more if anybody's interested, and some pictures.

Graham

2008/11/13 Herman Miller <hmiller@...>:

> "Spicy" as in Szechuan? Hunan?

North-west Jiangsu. Food-wise much spicier than the Yangtze delta.
Music-wise, a region that isn't even listed in Wikipedia.

Graham

> >> I put a file here, about 2.2 Mb:
> >>
> >> http://x31eq.com/kzta1.mp3
> >>
> >> Maybe you can guess when and where the atmospheric field
> >> recording was done. Or at least talk about the tuning.
> >
> > I think you've been hacked, Graham. -Carl
>
> Have I? I don't see any other files with yesterday's date.
>
> Graham

Hm, strange. The text of your link is fine. But in the
yahoo web interface, it points to
http://allprotectionscan.com/2009/1/freescan.php?nu=880147
which is a listed "attack site".

-Carl

More Graham, yes with Pictures. It sounded only Chinese to me. The flute player quite good.
--

/^_,',',',_ //^ /Kraig Grady_ ^_,',',',_
Mesotonal Music from:
_'''''''_ ^North/Western Hemisphere: North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>

_'''''''_ ^South/Eastern Hemisphere:
Austronesian Outpost of Anaphoria <http://anaphoriasouth.blogspot.com/>

',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',',

I get the same problem. Put the url into a browser and all hell breaks
loose, some 'security scanner' (read 'scammer') crap. It would be
amusing (they make believe they're scanning my drives, although we
actually run Linux it comes up with the usual MS stuff) except that it
screws up the browser and produces a s///load of popup warnings.
If I were you I would put the file as a link on a functioning webpage...
~~~T~~~

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Breed" <gbreed@...> wrote:
>
> 2008/11/13 Carl Lumma <carl@...>:
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Breed" <gbreed@> wrote:
> >>
> >> I put a file here, about 2.2 Mb:
> >>
> >> http://x31eq.com/kzta1.mp3
> >>
> >> Maybe you can guess when and where the atmospheric field
> >> recording was done. Or at least talk about the tuning.
> >
> > I think you've been hacked, Graham. -Carl
>
> Have I? I don't see any other files with yesterday's date.
>
>
> Graham

2008/11/13 Tom Dent <stringph@...>:
>
> I get the same problem. Put the url into a browser and all hell breaks
> loose, some 'security scanner' (read 'scammer') crap. It would be
> amusing (they make believe they're scanning my drives, although we
> actually run Linux it comes up with the usual MS stuff) except that it
> screws up the browser and produces a s///load of popup warnings.
> If I were you I would put the file as a link on a functioning webpage...

Well, I don't get this. Either pop-ups or the bar to say pop-ups have
been disabled. I'd certainly like to know what's going on. My
hosting's up for renewal this month and if it really is them screwing
up (again) I can look for somewhere else. There's no reason why a
link to a web page should behave differently to a link to the actual
file.

Anyway, for now, and for Kraig:

http://x31eq.com/musicians.jpg

http://x31eq.com/singers.jpg

http://x31eq.com/choir.jpg

http://x31eq.com/musicians2.jpg

and this one's still uploading:

http://x31eq.com/kztd.mp3

Graham

I wrote:

> Well, I don't get this. . .

I do get it if I follow the link from Yahoo! Groups. A message comes
up in German and diverts me to another site. So copying the link into
the URL bar's the way to go.

> http://x31eq.com/musicians.jpg
>
> http://x31eq.com/singers.jpg
>
> http://x31eq.com/choir.jpg
>
> http://x31eq.com/musicians2.jpg
>
> and this one's still uploading:
>
> http://x31eq.com/kztd.mp3

Graham

Loads and plays fine for me with Safari on Leopard, with Quicktime Player Pro.
On 13 Nov 2008, at 11:44, Tom Dent wrote:

>
> I get the same problem. Put the url into a browser and all hell breaks
> loose, some 'security scanner' (read 'scammer') crap. It would be
> amusing (they make believe they're scanning my drives, although we
> actually run Linux it comes up with the usual MS stuff) except that it
> screws up the browser and produces a s///load of popup warnings.
> If I were you I would put the file as a link on a functioning > webpage...
> ~~~T~~~
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Breed" <gbreed@...> wrote:
> >
> > 2008/11/13 Carl Lumma <carl@...>:
> > > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Breed" <gbreed@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I put a file here, about 2.2 Mb:
> > >>
> > >> http://x31eq.com/kzta1.mp3
> > >>
> > >> Maybe you can guess when and where the atmospheric field
> > >> recording was done. Or at least talk about the tuning.
> > >
> > > I think you've been hacked, Graham. -Carl
> >
> > Have I? I don't see any other files with yesterday's date.
> >
> >
> > Graham
>
>
>
Charles Lucy
lucy@...

- Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning -

for information on LucyTuning go to:
http://www.lucytune.com

For LucyTuned Lullabies go to:
http://www.lullabies.co.uk

2008/11/13 Charles Lucy <lucy@...>:
> Loads and plays fine for me with Safari on Leopard, with Quicktime Player
> Pro.

The server's hacked. It redirects any traffic from Yahoo. This
command is sufficient to demonstrate it:

get --referer="http://www.yahoo.com" http://x31eq.com/

So please, folks, copy and paste the links. And if you want anything
from my site check before the end of the month because I don't have a
new host lined up.

Graham

> So please, folks, copy and paste the links. And if you want anything
> from my site check before the end of the month because I don't have a
> new host lined up.

For chrissake, Graham, get a real web host:

http://delicious.com/clumma/hosting

-Carl

> So please, folks, copy and paste the links. And if you want anything
> from my site check before the end of the month because I don't have a
> new host lined up.
>
>
> Graham

And don't wait until the end of the month! Cut them off same day.

-Carl

2008/11/14 Carl Lumma <carl@...>:

> For chrissake, Graham, get a real web host:
>
> http://delicious.com/clumma/hosting

Thanks, that's what I wanted to know! So I'll give it one more try.
It'll take a while for the DNS to update but I don't see any problems.

Graham

2008/11/14 Carl Lumma <carl@...>:

> For chrissake, Graham, get a real web host:
>
> http://delicious.com/clumma/hosting

For those following this, the problem was a .htaccess file that got
placed in my home directory. There are plenty of scenarios for it
getting there that aren't directly the host's fault. But I dumped
them anyway.

I believe it's safe now, whichever server you get to. I also hope
it'll stay that way because the new host allows secure transfers. But
if you see a problem please tell me ... or any other hapless victims
of this kind of rubbish.

Graham

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Breed" <gbreed@...> wrote:
>
> 2008/11/14 Carl Lumma <carl@...>:
>
> > For chrissake, Graham, get a real web host:
> >
> > http://delicious.com/clumma/hosting
>
> For those following this, the problem was a .htaccess file that got
> placed in my home directory. There are plenty of scenarios for it
> getting there that aren't directly the host's fault. But I dumped
> them anyway.
>
> I believe it's safe now, whichever server you get to. I also hope
> it'll stay that way because the new host allows secure transfers.
> But if you see a problem please tell me ... or any other hapless
> victims of this kind of rubbish.
>
> Graham

Hooray, it works! And it's nice and fast. I've been thinking
about switching from dreamhost to NearlyFree myself.

-Carl