To Ozan Yarman.

I recently posted your 79tet study of Turkish Maqam Music at

http://www.ozanyarman.com/misc/Ozan_Yarman_tez.pdf

to

/MicroMadeEasy/

I hope this meets with your approval.

Dear Robert, please make use of the new pdf file I have just uploaded to my website at the same location that has been approved by the conservatory director and is on the way to the university senate and has a cooler appearance to top it off.

Cordially,
Oz.

On Aug 11, 2008, at 3:42 AM, robert thomas martin wrote:

> I recently posted your 79tet study of Turkish Maqam Music at
>
> http://www.ozanyarman.com/misc/Ozan_Yarman_tez.pdf
>
> to
>
> /MicroMadeEasy/
>
> I hope this meets with your approval.
>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Robert, please make use of the new pdf file I have just
uploaded
> to my website at the same location that has been approved by the
> conservatory director and is on the way to the university senate
and
> has a cooler appearance to top it off.
>
> Cordially,
> Oz.
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2008, at 3:42 AM, robert thomas martin wrote:
>
> > I recently posted your 79tet study of Turkish Maqam Music at
> >
> > http://www.ozanyarman.com/misc/Ozan_Yarman_tez.pdf
> >
> > to
> >
> > /MicroMadeEasy/
> >
> > I hope this meets with your approval.
> >
>
Reply from Robert. I'm not sure what you mean. Could you supply
the link for me so that I can remedy the situation?

Dear Robert, I would like very much to hear your thoughts regarding the quotes starting from page 145 of the PDF file. I believe they shed much light on the musical situation of Turkiye during 1920s and 30s. Comments from the members of the tuning list are much welcome!

Cordially,
Oz.

On Aug 11, 2008, at 3:42 AM, robert thomas martin wrote:

> I recently posted your 79tet study of Turkish Maqam Music at
>
> http://www.ozanyarman.com/misc/Ozan_Yarman_tez.pdf
>
> to
>
> /MicroMadeEasy/
>
> I hope this meets with your approval.

The link is the same Robert. I have overwritten the old PDF file with the new.

Oz.

On Aug 11, 2008, at 4:42 AM, robert thomas martin wrote:

> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Robert, please make use of the new pdf file I have just
> uploaded
>> to my website at the same location that has been approved by the
>> conservatory director and is on the way to the university senate
> and
>> has a cooler appearance to top it off.
>>
>> Cordially,
>> Oz.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 3:42 AM, robert thomas martin wrote:
>>
>>> I recently posted your 79tet study of Turkish Maqam Music at
>>>
>>> http://www.ozanyarman.com/misc/Ozan_Yarman_tez.pdf
>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>> /MicroMadeEasy/
>>>
>>> I hope this meets with your approval.
>>>
>>
> Reply from Robert. I'm not sure what you mean. Could you supply
> the link for me so that I can remedy the situation?
>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Robert, I would like very much to hear your thoughts
regarding
> the quotes starting from page 145 of the PDF file. I believe they
shed
> much light on the musical situation of Turkiye during 1920s and
30s.
> Comments from the members of the tuning list are much welcome!
>
> Cordially,
> Oz.
>
> On Aug 11, 2008, at 3:42 AM, robert thomas martin wrote:
>
> > I recently posted your 79tet study of Turkish Maqam Music at
> >
> > http://www.ozanyarman.com/misc/Ozan_Yarman_tez.pdf
> >
> > to
> >
> > /MicroMadeEasy/
> >
> > I hope this meets with your approval.
>

From Robert. The Kemalists appeared to have had their own agenda
in trying to "play catch-up" with Western models and institutions.
As a consequence Turkish music suffered in the 20's and 30's
because of revisionist policies. The situation now is entirely
different on a world scale with the internet and microtonality
in all its forms flourishing and gaining greater and greater
recognition. Turkey has a rich musical tradition which should
be preserved in all its variety for future generations. And your
theoretical works are part of this rich musical tradition.

Hi Robert,

An excellent summary! What do you think of the reactions of
nationalist composers such as Rey, Üngör and Saygun? Saygun
specifically emphasizes the need to temper the 24-tone subset of 53-
EDO to 12 equal tones that he claims to have borrowed from Anatolia,
just as he approves the discarding of unspoken Arabic letters from the
Turkish alphabet.

Oz.

On Aug 11, 2008, at 5:19 AM, robert thomas martin wrote:

> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Robert, I would like very much to hear your thoughts
> regarding
>> the quotes starting from page 145 of the PDF file. I believe they
> shed
>> much light on the musical situation of Turkiye during 1920s and
> 30s.
>> Comments from the members of the tuning list are much welcome!
>>
>> Cordially,
>> Oz.
>>
>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 3:42 AM, robert thomas martin wrote:
>>
>>> I recently posted your 79tet study of Turkish Maqam Music at
>>>
>>> http://www.ozanyarman.com/misc/Ozan_Yarman_tez.pdf
>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>> /MicroMadeEasy/
>>>
>>> I hope this meets with your approval.
>>
>
> From Robert. The Kemalists appeared to have had their own agenda
> in trying to "play catch-up" with Western models and institutions.
> As a consequence Turkish music suffered in the 20's and 30's
> because of revisionist policies. The situation now is entirely
> different on a world scale with the internet and microtonality
> in all its forms flourishing and gaining greater and greater
> recognition. Turkey has a rich musical tradition which should
> be preserved in all its variety for future generations. And your
> theoretical works are part of this rich musical tradition.
>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> An excellent summary! What do you think of the reactions of
> nationalist composers such as Rey, Üngör and Saygun? Saygun
> specifically emphasizes the need to temper the 24-tone subset of 53-

> EDO to 12 equal tones that he claims to have borrowed from
Anatolia,
> just as he approves the discarding of unspoken Arabic letters from
the
> Turkish alphabet.
>
> Oz.
>
> On Aug 11, 2008, at 5:19 AM, robert thomas martin wrote:
>
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Robert, I would like very much to hear your thoughts
> > regarding
> >> the quotes starting from page 145 of the PDF file. I believe they
> > shed
> >> much light on the musical situation of Turkiye during 1920s and
> > 30s.
> >> Comments from the members of the tuning list are much welcome!
> >>
> >> Cordially,
> >> Oz.
> >>
> >> On Aug 11, 2008, at 3:42 AM, robert thomas martin wrote:
> >>
> >>> I recently posted your 79tet study of Turkish Maqam Music at
> >>>
> >>> http://www.ozanyarman.com/misc/Ozan_Yarman_tez.pdf
> >>>
> >>> to
> >>>
> >>> /MicroMadeEasy/
> >>>
> >>> I hope this meets with your approval.
> >>
> >
> > From Robert. The Kemalists appeared to have had their own
agenda
> > in trying to "play catch-up" with Western models and
institutions.
> > As a consequence Turkish music suffered in the 20's and 30's
> > because of revisionist policies. The situation now is entirely
> > different on a world scale with the internet and microtonality
> > in all its forms flourishing and gaining greater and greater
> > recognition. Turkey has a rich musical tradition which should
> > be preserved in all its variety for future generations. And
your
> > theoretical works are part of this rich musical tradition.
> >
>
Reply from Robert to Ozan. My knowledge of Turkish music is
mostly limited to your Phd thesis and the few internet sites
which I have recently posted. The best thing that I can say
is that some people try to simplify music systems in order to
make them more practical while other people try to complicate
music systems in order to make them more accurate. Eighty
years ago some revisionist policies made sense to some people
but not to others. Now home computers can implement the most
fastidiously accurate tunings but singers still suffer from
the same old limitations when trying to reproduce more than
about 24 (or perhaps 31) notes to the octave.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Robert, I would like very much to hear your thoughts
> regarding the quotes starting from page 145 of the PDF file. I
> believe they shed much light on the musical situation of Turkiye
> during 1920s and 30s.
> Comments from the members of the tuning list are much welcome!
>

Quite interesting!
What I found striking was Gökalp calling the quarter-tone "unnatural",
not losing a word about western equal temperament, which I would not
qualify as a classic example of something "natural" (if there is any
such thing in music at all...)
--
Hans Straub

Indeed so Hans! What is more interesting is that Gökalp's views were
adopted by the Kemalist intelligentsia to the letter despite Rauf
Yekta's occasional protests, and Turkish maqam music was marked by the
regime as unnational while folk melodies were chosen for an "upgrade"
to 12-tone polyphony.

Oz.

On Aug 14, 2008, at 11:26 AM, hstraub64 wrote:

> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Robert, I would like very much to hear your thoughts
>> regarding the quotes starting from page 145 of the PDF file. I
>> believe they shed much light on the musical situation of Turkiye
>> during 1920s and 30s.
>> Comments from the members of the tuning list are much welcome!
>>
>
> Quite interesting!
> What I found striking was Gökalp calling the quarter-tone "unnatural",
> not losing a word about western equal temperament, which I would not
> qualify as a classic example of something "natural" (if there is any
> such thing in music at all...)
> --
> Hans Straub
>