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Music and scales, 676/675 as an unison vector

🔗Petr Pařízek <p.parizek@...>

7/8/2008 4:05:00 AM

Hi there,

Yesterday, I was trying to find a tuning which could temper out the "small comma" of 676/675. In the end, I made two scales. The first one is definitely a rank 3 temperament, the second one am I not sure about; but I think it might be called that as well (though I'm still in doubt if it isn't actually rank 4). Both of them have a period of 2/1. In the first case, one of the generators is a 15/13 widened slightly by 1/2 of the comma (used 5 times) and the other one is a 16/13 widened by 1/4 of the comma (used only once). In the second scale, I essentially split the factor into the following intervals: 4/3, 13/16, 4/5, 4/3, 13/16, 4/5, 4/3. I used the repeating sequence of the three intervals and tempered each of them by 1/7 of the comma in order to temper it out. But because 7 tones seemed too few to me, I made a set of 13 tones this way (or actually 14, if I count the 1/1 as the first tone). As a result, I got some pitches repeated. These were eventually removed after I normalized all that into a single octave range, which resulted in a 11-tone scale.

Here's what they sound like. Currently it's just a "handful of ideas" rather than some serious compositions, but maybe something more convincing comes out of me one day.

The first scale - 12-tones per octave: https://www.yousendit.com/download/TTdHak94SU9RYS9IRGc9PQ

The second scale - 11 tones: http://www.yousendit.com/download/TTdHak96Q0NveFBIRGc9PQ

Petr

🔗caleb morgan <calebmrgn@...>

7/8/2008 9:25:51 AM

I listened to the first one, and I like it! I hear the 13 at the
end. I like the familiar 3/2's vs. the 13 flavor.
On Jul 8, 2008, at 7:05 AM, Petr Pařízek wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> Yesterday, I was trying to find a tuning which could temper out the
> "small
> comma" of 676/675. In the end, I made two scales. The first one is
> definitely a rank 3 temperament, the second one am I not sure about;
> but I
> think it might be called that as well (though I'm still in doubt if
> it isn't
> actually rank 4). Both of them have a period of 2/1. In the first
> case, one
> of the generators is a 15/13 widened slightly by 1/2 of the comma
> (used 5
> times) and the other one is a 16/13 widened by 1/4 of the comma
> (used only
> once). In the second scale, I essentially split the factor into the
> following intervals: 4/3, 13/16, 4/5, 4/3, 13/16, 4/5, 4/3. I used the
> repeating sequence of the three intervals and tempered each of them
> by 1/7
> of the comma in order to temper it out. But because 7 tones seemed
> too few
> to me, I made a set of 13 tones this way (or actually 14, if I count
> the 1/1
> as the first tone). As a result, I got some pitches repeated. These
> were
> eventually removed after I normalized all that into a single octave
> range,
> which resulted in a 11-tone scale.
>
> Here's what they sound like. Currently it's just a "handful of
> ideas" rather
> than some serious compositions, but maybe something more convincing
> comes
> out of me one day.
>
> The first scale - 12-tones per octave:
> https://www.yousendit.com/download/TTdHak94SU9RYS9IRGc9PQ
>
> The second scale - 11 tones:
> http://www.yousendit.com/download/TTdHak96Q0NveFBIRGc9PQ
>
> Petr
>
>
>
>
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🔗Carl Lumma <carl@...>

7/8/2008 10:52:28 AM

Petr wrote:

> The second scale - 11 tones:
> http://www.yousendit.com/download/TTdHak96Q0NveFBIRGc9PQ

Sounds like that one has a nice pelog in it.

I'd hate to hear what you'd be capable of with a microtonal
score editor!

-Carl

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@...>

7/9/2008 11:11:59 AM

Petr!

> The first scale - 12-tones per octave:
> https://www.yousendit.com/download/TTdHak94SU9RYS9IRGc9PQ

Tell me the first 45 seconds of this aren't based on
a Bach toccata.

-Carl

🔗Petr Parízek <p.parizek@...>

7/9/2008 12:01:06 PM

Carl wrote:

> Tell me the first 45 seconds of this aren't based on
> a Bach toccata.

My goodness, which one? :-D I didn't think about that at all.

Petr

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@...>

7/9/2008 11:16:38 PM

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Petr Parízek <p.parizek@...> wrote:
>
> Carl wrote:
>
> > Tell me the first 45 seconds of this aren't based on
> > a Bach toccata.
>
> My goodness, which one? :-D I didn't think about that at all.
>
> Petr

Don't play dumb with me! ;)

BWV912 in D, final section.

-Carl

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@...>

7/12/2008 9:46:32 AM

> > > Tell me the first 45 seconds of this aren't based on
> > > a Bach toccata.
> >
> > My goodness, which one? :-D I didn't think about that at all.
> >
> > Petr
>
> Don't play dumb with me! ;)
>
> BWV912 in D, final section.

e.g.
http://www.midiworld.com/cgibin/x.cgi/mid/bach/bwv912.mid

-C.

🔗Petr Parízek <p.parizek@...>

7/12/2008 1:54:14 PM

Carl wrote:

> http://www.midiworld.com/cgibin/x.cgi/mid/bach/bwv912.mid

I'm getting "Page moved".

Petr

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@...>

7/12/2008 4:02:36 PM

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Petr Parízek <p.parizek@...> wrote:
>
> Carl wrote:
>
> > http://www.midiworld.com/cgibin/x.cgi/mid/bach/bwv912.mid
>
> I'm getting "Page moved".
>
> Petr

Looks like you have to go here
http://www.midiworld.com/bach.htm
to get it.

-Carl

🔗Petr Parízek <p.parizek@...>

7/16/2008 12:18:51 PM

Carl wrote:

> http://www.midiworld.com/bach.htm

Okay. I can say this is the very first time I've heard it.
I'm realizing how little I know.

Petr