A crystal-clear recording of my 5-part fugue with Logic Pro 8

I have finally made a crystal-clear recording of my 5-part fugue on Selim III.'s Pesendide Agir Aksak Semai with Logic Pro 8. The soprano part was microtuned with pitch-bends. To hear the piece, go to:

http://www.ozanyarman.com/files/music/Selimfug.mp3

Cordially,
Oz.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>
> I have finally made a crystal-clear recording of my 5-part fugue on
> Selim III.'s Pesendide Agir Aksak Semai with Logic Pro 8. The soprano
> part was microtuned with pitch-bends. To hear the piece, go to:
>
> http://www.ozanyarman.com/files/music/Selimfug.mp3
>
> Cordially,
> Oz.

Any download posted around the words "5-part fugue" will definitely
get onto my hard drive.

I would prefer a more acute timbre, and a higher-bitrate mp3
file. Sounds pleasant though.

-Carl

Thank you Carl; I am still very new to the world of digital audio production, and was more than a little hasty to hear the results of that yet-to-be-tweaked midi file. Unfortunately, the Logic library of sampled instruments boasts only two kinds of choirs. I did my best with what was available in such short notice. Wouldn't a higher bitrate mp3 file occupy more space? The file is 8 megs as it is...

Cordially,
Oz.

On Apr 28, 2008, at 2:34 AM, Carl Lumma wrote:

> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>>
>> I have finally made a crystal-clear recording of my 5-part fugue on
>> Selim III.'s Pesendide Agir Aksak Semai with Logic Pro 8. The soprano
>> part was microtuned with pitch-bends. To hear the piece, go to:
>>
>> http://www.ozanyarman.com/files/music/Selimfug.mp3
>>
>> Cordially,
>> Oz.
>
> Any download posted around the words "5-part fugue" will definitely
> get onto my hard drive.
>
> I would prefer a more acute timbre, and a higher-bitrate mp3
> file. Sounds pleasant though.
>
> -Carl
>
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8MB is but a fine hair on my chinchilla of storage.
If no good choirs are at hand, use something else (piano
or brass for instance). Choirs are pretty hard to
synthesize, so I almost never use them in the electronic
realm.

-Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you Carl; I am still very new to the world of digital audio
> production, and was more than a little hasty to hear the results of
> that yet-to-be-tweaked midi file. Unfortunately, the Logic library
> of sampled instruments boasts only two kinds of choirs. I did my
> best with what was available in such short notice. Wouldn't a
> higher bitrate mp3 file occupy more space? The file is 8 megs as
> it is...
>
> Cordially,
> Oz.
>

One of the series of sounds i like in the sampler in logic are under
34 Synth pads
because playing with some of them i can get some good organ sounds which is always good for counterpuntal stuff.
While i think it is past the time we need to stick with sine tones, i had a hard time appreciating the tuning with the timbre you have.
Of course this reminds me that often we are hearing in tunings that are not what we think or assume they are.

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Ozan Yarman wrote:
>
> Thank you Carl; I am still very new to the world of digital audio
> production, and was more than a little hasty to hear the results of
> that yet-to-be-tweaked midi file. Unfortunately, the Logic library of
> sampled instruments boasts only two kinds of choirs. I did my best
> with what was available in such short notice. Wouldn't a higher
> bitrate mp3 file occupy more space? The file is 8 megs as it is...
>
> Cordially,
> Oz.
>
> On Apr 28, 2008, at 2:34 AM, Carl Lumma wrote:
>
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com <mailto:tuning%40yahoogroups.com>, > Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have finally made a crystal-clear recording of my 5-part fugue on
> >> Selim III.'s Pesendide Agir Aksak Semai with Logic Pro 8. The soprano
> >> part was microtuned with pitch-bends. To hear the piece, go to:
> >>
> >> http://www.ozanyarman.com/files/music/Selimfug.mp3 > <http://www.ozanyarman.com/files/music/Selimfug.mp3>
> >>
> >> Cordially,
> >> Oz.
> >
> > Any download posted around the words "5-part fugue" will definitely
> > get onto my hard drive.
> >
> > I would prefer a more acute timbre, and a higher-bitrate mp3
> > file. Sounds pleasant though.
> >
> > -Carl
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--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@...> wrote:
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> One of the series of sounds i like in the sampler in logic are under
> 34 Synth pads
> because playing with some of them i can get some good organ sounds
> which is always good for counterpuntal stuff.
> While i think it is past the time we need to stick with sine tones, i
> had a hard time appreciating the tuning with the timbre you have.
> Of course this reminds me that often we are hearing in tunings that are
> not what we think or assume they are.

Good point. -Carl

A good work Ozan,

Regardless of tuning subtleties (I don't notice them much), it sounds good to me and it can only sound better with a real choir. The whole piece flows well -- not being coherent enough is typically a weakness of my composed music, so I appreciate that skill.

Magnus

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008, Ozan Yarman wrote:

> I have finally made a crystal-clear recording of my 5-part fugue on
> Selim III.'s Pesendide Agir Aksak Semai with Logic Pro 8. The soprano
> part was microtuned with pitch-bends. To hear the piece, go to:
>
> http://www.ozanyarman.com/files/music/Selimfug.mp3
>
> Cordially,
> Oz.
>
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Is there any particular reason why just the soprano should be
microtuned? Are the other parts not?

Anyway, the 'production values' are pretty good, the main drawback is
that the timbre becomes monotonous because of the lack of different
vowel/consonant sounds.

Perhaps one should take an instrumental ensemble instead with a
different instrument for each voice, but that would probably not blend
as well (not to mention the lousy quality and vibrato that often come
along with instrumental samples or pre-synthesized tones)... perhaps
organ timbres?

If I were to say something about the piece itself, it seems to me much
too long considering the lack of variety in texture, tonality and
rhythm. I liked the beginning much the best. After it seemed to be
rather often coming back to the same root position tonic chord and the
same continuous full texture and square rhythm. One of the old rules
of fugue writing is that the subject should never occur in the same
voice at the same pitch twice without completely different
counterpoints in other voices.
If you're going to write a 12-minute fugue in tonal harmony I think
you need definite sections with strongly contrasted characters and an
overall tonal plan building up to cadences in different keys ... see
the closing fugue in the Klavieruebung part III (triple fugue in Eb
major) or the (unfinished) triple fugue of the Art of Fugue or the Et
Vitam from Beethoven's Missa Solemnis or the Amen of Messiah. Even the
six-part fugue of the Musical Offering, a pretty thick-textured and
homogeneous work, has contrasting episodes and entries.

It may be that writing for 5 voices can even produce a restriction on
the variety of textures, since you can't keep them properly 'spaced'
and at the same time put anything particularly high or low. If you're
not careful it ends up that everything is around the middle all the time.
Best wishes for future composition, ~~~T~~~

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@...> wrote:
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@> wrote:
> >
> > I have finally made a crystal-clear recording of my 5-part fugue on
> > Selim III.'s Pesendide Agir Aksak Semai with Logic Pro 8. The
soprano
> > part was microtuned with pitch-bends. To hear the piece, go to:
> >
> > http://www.ozanyarman.com/files/music/Selimfug.mp3
> >
> > Cordially,
> > Oz.
>
> Any download posted around the words "5-part fugue" will definitely
> get onto my hard drive.
>
> I would prefer a more acute timbre, and a higher-bitrate mp3
> file. Sounds pleasant though.
>
> -Carl

Many thanks my dear Magnus. Notice, that I kept Selim's original Pesendide melody on the soprano part pretty much intact.

Cordially,
Oz.

On Apr 28, 2008, at 9:03 AM, Magnus Jonsson wrote:

> A good work Ozan,
>
> Regardless of tuning subtleties (I don't notice them much), it > sounds good
> to me and it can only sound better with a real choir. The whole piece
> flows well -- not being coherent enough is typically a weakness of my
> composed music, so I appreciate that skill.
>
> Magnus
>
>
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008, Ozan Yarman wrote:
>
>> I have finally made a crystal-clear recording of my 5-part fugue on
>> Selim III.'s Pesendide Agir Aksak Semai with Logic Pro 8. The soprano
>> part was microtuned with pitch-bends. To hear the piece, go to:
>>
>> http://www.ozanyarman.com/files/music/Selimfug.mp3
>>
>> Cordially,
>> Oz.
>>
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Dear Tom, This work is pretty old by today's standards. I composed it 7-8 years ago and had the idea of introducing pitch bends to the soprano track in Master Tracks Pro soon after the piece was completed. Back then, my equipment was pretty lame, and I did not have the patience, nor the motivation, to micro-tweak all the parts. Only now, do I have the professional tools and means to work over all the subtleties such a piece requires. This is hopefully the first step before I go fully microtonal.

I notice that the mp3 file does much injustice to the original aiff file which is 180 MB large. The original recording is pure and captivating. Later on, I might sing a baritone version of the soprano track on top of it and do a final mix. I will try the organ timbres in due course (perhaps use them as reinforcement?).

About the "mono-tonality" of the fugue... You must concede the fact that I had my hands tied by the restrictions of the soprano part, which is entirely the Pehsendeedah melody of Selim III. Obviously, I had to deviate from the old school of fugue-writing given such a huge restriction. Also, I dared not explore distant keys, as the fugue would soon turn atonal due to clashes with the persisting soprano part.

Cordially,
Oz.

On Apr 28, 2008, at 6:53 PM, Tom Dent wrote:

>
> Is there any particular reason why just the soprano should be
> microtuned? Are the other parts not?
>
> Anyway, the 'production values' are pretty good, the main drawback is
> that the timbre becomes monotonous because of the lack of different
> vowel/consonant sounds.
>
> Perhaps one should take an instrumental ensemble instead with a
> different instrument for each voice, but that would probably not blend
> as well (not to mention the lousy quality and vibrato that often come
> along with instrumental samples or pre-synthesized tones)... perhaps
> organ timbres?
>
> If I were to say something about the piece itself, it seems to me much
> too long considering the lack of variety in texture, tonality and
> rhythm. I liked the beginning much the best. After it seemed to be
> rather often coming back to the same root position tonic chord and the
> same continuous full texture and square rhythm. One of the old rules
> of fugue writing is that the subject should never occur in the same
> voice at the same pitch twice without completely different
> counterpoints in other voices.
> If you're going to write a 12-minute fugue in tonal harmony I think
> you need definite sections with strongly contrasted characters and an
> overall tonal plan building up to cadences in different keys ... see
> the closing fugue in the Klavieruebung part III (triple fugue in Eb
> major) or the (unfinished) triple fugue of the Art of Fugue or the Et
> Vitam from Beethoven's Missa Solemnis or the Amen of Messiah. Even the
> six-part fugue of the Musical Offering, a pretty thick-textured and
> homogeneous work, has contrasting episodes and entries.
>
> It may be that writing for 5 voices can even produce a restriction on
> the variety of textures, since you can't keep them properly 'spaced'
> and at the same time put anything particularly high or low. If you're
> not careful it ends up that everything is around the middle all the > time.
> Best wishes for future composition, ~~~T~~~
>
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@...> wrote:
>>
>> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have finally made a crystal-clear recording of my 5-part fugue on
>>> Selim III.'s Pesendide Agir Aksak Semai with Logic Pro 8. The
> soprano
>>> part was microtuned with pitch-bends. To hear the piece, go to:
>>>
>>> http://www.ozanyarman.com/files/music/Selimfug.mp3
>>>
>>> Cordially,
>>> Oz.
>>
>> Any download posted around the words "5-part fugue" will definitely
>> get onto my hard drive.
>>
>> I would prefer a more acute timbre, and a higher-bitrate mp3
>> file. Sounds pleasant though.
>>
>> -Carl
>
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Oz,

What was the tuning for the voices other than soprano? Is it usual to
have more than one tuning? Or were you merely using a different method
of microtuning for the soprano voice? It would be great to hear that
live. But it would require a lot of talent, eh?

Thanks for posting such an inspirational piece.

Howard

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Subject: Re: [tuning] A crystal-clear recording of my 5-part fugue with
Logic Pro 8

Many thanks my dear Magnus. Notice, that I kept Selim's original
Pesendide melody on the soprano part pretty much intact.

Cordially,
Oz.

On Apr 28, 2008, at 9:03 AM, Magnus Jonsson wrote:

> A good work Ozan,
>
> Regardless of tuning subtleties (I don't notice them much), it
> sounds good
> to me and it can only sound better with a real choir. The whole piece
> flows well -- not being coherent enough is typically a weakness of my
> composed music, so I appreciate that skill.
>
> Magnus
>
>
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008, Ozan Yarman wrote:
>
>> I have finally made a crystal-clear recording of my 5-part fugue on
>> Selim III.'s Pesendide Agir Aksak Semai with Logic Pro 8. The soprano
>> part was microtuned with pitch-bends. To hear the piece, go to:
>>
>> http://www.ozanyarman.com/files/music/Selimfug.mp3
<http://www.ozanyarman.com/files/music/Selimfug.mp3>
>>
>> Cordially,
>> Oz.
>>
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Hi Oz;

I don't understand why you can't just microtune all the parts using the tuning tables in Logic.

The tuning tables should also allow you to modulate and transpose in any way you may wish; and if necessary, by bouncing the tracks (in distant tunings) to audio before the final mix.

You may find that you will wish to tweak your vocals (using Melodyne or similar) as it may become "difficult" to get the "exotic" intervals "exactly" in tune, on-the-fly.

There are many samples that you can find for other voices, (use Keymap to construct them for EXS), and you can also resample/synthesise them using Cameleon or similar to get the sounds that you want.

On 28 Apr 2008, at 22:20, Ozan Yarman wrote:

> Dear Tom, This work is pretty old by today's standards. I composed it
> 7-8 years ago and had the idea of introducing pitch bends to the
> soprano track in Master Tracks Pro soon after the piece was completed.
> Back then, my equipment was pretty lame, and I did not have the
> patience, nor the motivation, to micro-tweak all the parts. Only now,
> do I have the professional tools and means to work over all the
> subtleties such a piece requires. This is hopefully the first step
> before I go fully microtonal.
>
> I notice that the mp3 file does much injustice to the original aiff
> file which is 180 MB large. The original recording is pure and
> captivating. Later on, I might sing a baritone version of the soprano
> track on top of it and do a final mix. I will try the organ timbres in
> due course (perhaps use them as reinforcement?).
>
> About the "mono-tonality" of the fugue... You must concede the fact
> that I had my hands tied by the restrictions of the soprano part,
> which is entirely the Pehsendeedah melody of Selim III. Obviously, I
> had to deviate from the old school of fugue-writing given such a huge
> restriction. Also, I dared not explore distant keys, as the fugue
> would soon turn atonal due to clashes with the persisting soprano > part.
>
> Cordially,
> Oz.
>
> On Apr 28, 2008, at 6:53 PM, Tom Dent wrote:
>
> >
> > Is there any particular reason why just the soprano should be
> > microtuned? Are the other parts not?
> >
> > Anyway, the 'production values' are pretty good, the main drawback > is
> > that the timbre becomes monotonous because of the lack of different
> > vowel/consonant sounds.
> >
> > Perhaps one should take an instrumental ensemble instead with a
> > different instrument for each voice, but that would probably not > blend
> > as well (not to mention the lousy quality and vibrato that often > come
> > along with instrumental samples or pre-synthesized tones)... perhaps
> > organ timbres?
> >
> > If I were to say something about the piece itself, it seems to me > much
> > too long considering the lack of variety in texture, tonality and
> > rhythm. I liked the beginning much the best. After it seemed to be
> > rather often coming back to the same root position tonic chord and > the
> > same continuous full texture and square rhythm. One of the old rules
> > of fugue writing is that the subject should never occur in the same
> > voice at the same pitch twice without completely different
> > counterpoints in other voices.
> > If you're going to write a 12-minute fugue in tonal harmony I think
> > you need definite sections with strongly contrasted characters and > an
> > overall tonal plan building up to cadences in different keys ... see
> > the closing fugue in the Klavieruebung part III (triple fugue in Eb
> > major) or the (unfinished) triple fugue of the Art of Fugue or the > Et
> > Vitam from Beethoven's Missa Solemnis or the Amen of Messiah. Even > the
> > six-part fugue of the Musical Offering, a pretty thick-textured and
> > homogeneous work, has contrasting episodes and entries.
> >
> > It may be that writing for 5 voices can even produce a restriction > on
> > the variety of textures, since you can't keep them properly 'spaced'
> > and at the same time put anything particularly high or low. If > you're
> > not careful it ends up that everything is around the middle all the
> > time.
> > Best wishes for future composition, ~~~T~~~
> >
> >
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have finally made a crystal-clear recording of my 5-part fugue > on
> >>> Selim III.'s Pesendide Agir Aksak Semai with Logic Pro 8. The
> > soprano
> >>> part was microtuned with pitch-bends. To hear the piece, go to:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.ozanyarman.com/files/music/Selimfug.mp3
> >>>
> >>> Cordially,
> >>> Oz.
> >>
> >> Any download posted around the words "5-part fugue" will definitely
> >> get onto my hard drive.
> >>
> >> I would prefer a more acute timbre, and a higher-bitrate mp3
> >> file. Sounds pleasant though.
> >>
> >> -Carl
> >
> >
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Dear Howard, there is no specific tuning for the pitch-bends in the soprano part. At the time, I could only think in terms of manual deviations from 12-tone equal temperament. Hence, the pitch bends are arbitrary. This is something I aim to fix in the next version of my fugue.

Thank you for the encouragement! Indeed, the fugue should be taxing for the best of performers.

Cordially,
Oz.

On Apr 29, 2008, at 12:37 AM, Cornell III, Howard M wrote:

> Oz,
>
> What was the tuning for the voices other than soprano? Is it usual > to have more than one tuning? Or were you merely using a different > method
> of microtuning for the soprano voice? It would be great to hear > that live. But it would require a lot of talent, eh?
>
> Thanks for posting such an inspirational piece.
>
> Howard
>
> From: tuning@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tuning@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Ozan Yarman
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 3:40 PM
> To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tuning] A crystal-clear recording of my 5-part fugue > with Logic Pro 8
>
> Many thanks my dear Magnus. Notice, that I kept Selim's original
> Pesendide melody on the soprano part pretty much intact.
>
> Cordially,
> Oz.
>
> On Apr 28, 2008, at 9:03 AM, Magnus Jonsson wrote:
>
> > A good work Ozan,
> >
> > Regardless of tuning subtleties (I don't notice them much), it
> > sounds good
> > to me and it can only sound better with a real choir. The whole > piece
> > flows well -- not being coherent enough is typically a weakness of > my
> > composed music, so I appreciate that skill.
> >
> > Magnus
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 28 Apr 2008, Ozan Yarman wrote:
> >
> >> I have finally made a crystal-clear recording of my 5-part fugue on
> >> Selim III.'s Pesendide Agir Aksak Semai with Logic Pro 8. The > soprano
> >> part was microtuned with pitch-bends. To hear the piece, go to:
> >>
> >> http://www.ozanyarman.com/files/music/Selimfug.mp3
> >>
> >> Cordially,
> >> Oz.
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Hi Charles,

I am not sure a specific temperament will suffice for this fugue. A tuning template could indeed be selected, but even then, I shall have to work manually for the pitch-bends, portamentos, glissandos and vibratos, not to mention, velocities and note durations in the melody of each part for best results. Heavy editing is the way to go. Do you have any suggestions for a novice Logic Pro 8 user?

Cordially,
Oz.

On Apr 29, 2008, at 2:40 AM, Charles Lucy wrote:

> Hi Oz;
>
> I don't understand why you can't just microtune all the parts using > the tuning tables in Logic.
>
> The tuning tables should also allow you to modulate and transpose in > any way you may wish; and if necessary, by bouncing the tracks (in > distant tunings) to audio before the final mix.
>
> You may find that you will wish to tweak your vocals (using Melodyne > or similar) as it may become "difficult" to get the "exotic" > intervals "exactly" in tune, on-the-fly.
>
> There are many samples that you can find for other voices, (use > Keymap to construct them for EXS), and you can also resample/> synthesise them using Cameleon or similar to get the sounds that > you want.
>
>
>
>

Enjoy it Oz.

Watch the Logic Pro 8 videos, and RTFM (put it under your pillow;-)
to learn how to control some those parameters, and the short cut methods.
It took me about five years to be comfortable with Logic;-(
and I still find new capabilities every day. It seems to be worth learning the keystroke commands, as for some of the functions that is the only way to access them.

We all expect wonderful sounds from you now;-)

On 30 Apr 2008, at 00:16, ozanyarman@ozanyarman.com wrote:

> Hi Charles,
>
> I am not sure a specific temperament will suffice for this fugue. A
> tuning template could indeed be selected, but even then, I shall have
> to work manually for the pitch-bends, portamentos, glissandos and
> vibratos, not to mention, velocities and note durations in the melody
> of each part for best results. Heavy editing is the way to go. Do you
> have any suggestions for a novice Logic Pro 8 user?
>
> Cordially,
> Oz.
>
> On Apr 29, 2008, at 2:40 AM, Charles Lucy wrote:
>
> > Hi Oz;
> >
> > I don't understand why you can't just microtune all the parts using
> > the tuning tables in Logic.
> >
> > The tuning tables should also allow you to modulate and transpose in
> > any way you may wish; and if necessary, by bouncing the tracks (in
> > distant tunings) to audio before the final mix.
> >
> > You may find that you will wish to tweak your vocals (using Melodyne
> > or similar) as it may become "difficult" to get the "exotic"
> > intervals "exactly" in tune, on-the-fly.
> >
> > There are many samples that you can find for other voices, (use
> > Keymap to construct them for EXS), and you can also resample/
> > synthesise them using Cameleon or similar to get the sounds that
> > you want.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Charles Lucy
lucy@lucytune.com

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Inshallah Charles, wonderful things shall happen.

Thanks a lot for your valuable help,
Oz.

On Apr 30, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Charles Lucy wrote:

> Enjoy it Oz.
>
> Watch the Logic Pro 8 videos, and RTFM (put it under your pillow;-)
> to learn how to control some those parameters, and the short cut > methods.
> It took me about five years to be comfortable with Logic;-(
> and I still find new capabilities every day. It seems to be worth > learning the keystroke commands, as for some of the functions that > is the only way to access them.
>
> We all expect wonderful sounds from you now;-)
>
>
> On 30 Apr 2008, at 00:16, ozanyarman@ozanyarman.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Charles,
>>
>> I am not sure a specific temperament will suffice for this fugue. A
>> tuning template could indeed be selected, but even then, I shall have
>> to work manually for the pitch-bends, portamentos, glissandos and
>> vibratos, not to mention, velocities and note durations in the melody
>> of each part for best results. Heavy editing is the way to go. Do you
>> have any suggestions for a novice Logic Pro 8 user?
>>
>> Cordially,
>> Oz.
>>
>> On Apr 29, 2008, at 2:40 AM, Charles Lucy wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Oz;
>> >
>> > I don't understand why you can't just microtune all the parts using
>> > the tuning tables in Logic.
>> >
>> > The tuning tables should also allow you to modulate and transpose >> in
>> > any way you may wish; and if necessary, by bouncing the tracks (in
>> > distant tunings) to audio before the final mix.
>> >
>> > You may find that you will wish to tweak your vocals (using >> Melodyne
>> > or similar) as it may become "difficult" to get the "exotic"
>> > intervals "exactly" in tune, on-the-fly.
>> >
>> > There are many samples that you can find for other voices, (use
>> > Keymap to construct them for EXS), and you can also resample/
>> > synthesise them using Cameleon or similar to get the sounds that
>> > you want.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
> Charles Lucy
> lucy@lucytune.com
>
> - Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning -
>
> for information on LucyTuning go to:
> http://www.lucytune.com
>
> For LucyTuned Lullabies go to:
> http://www.lullabies.co.uk
>
>
>
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