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🔗Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@ozanyarman.com>

2/28/2008 5:07:18 PM

Search For A Theoretical Model Conforming To Turkish Maqam Music Practice: A
Selection Of Fixed-Pitch Settings From 34-tone Equal Temperament To The
79-tone Tuning

�Issues Regarding The Practice And Theory Of Turkish Music And Their
Solutions� Congress (invited paper), 5 March 2008, Ma�ka Grounds, Istanbul
Technical University.

Ozan Yarman

Abstract

The long-standing conflict between the �Arel-Ezgi-Uzdilek� System and the
practice of Turkish Maqam Music (Art Music and Folk Music based on maqams)
had been established through computer analyses of audio recordings. Results
incontrovertibly manifest the delibarate employment of multifarious �middle
second� intervals peculiar to the genre, yet, evaded by the current model.
These �middle seconds� are roughly expressible as 2/3, 3/4, and 4/5 tones,
and often referred to by the protagonists of the Music Reformation in
T�rkiye during the early 20th century as �quarter-tones�. It is maintained
that non-conformance arose, because the 24-tone Pythagorean theory in effect
was specifically engendered by what may be properly named the
�Yekta-Arel-Ezgi School� to ward off �quarter-tones� which allegedly
affliated the Maqam Music heritage to Byzantine & Arabs. In this paper, in
order to effectuate the convergence of theory and practice, lower resolution
temperaments where the octave is divided into 34 and 41 equal parts and
middle to higher resolution temperaments where the octave is divided into
46, 53, and 72 equal parts shall be scrutinized and furthermore, a 79-tone
tuning created and implemented on a unique custom-made qanun by the author
shall be explained. In the course of redeveloping a fixed-pitched Maqam
Music theory, it is suggested that a low-resolution 34 or 41-tone equal
temperament on the one hand, and a high-resolution 79-tone tuning on the
other hand be adopted.

Why we say �Maqam Music�, What does the term �Turkish Maqam Music� mean?

First of all, at a conjuncture where we face expressions such as �Classical
Turkish Music� (CTM), �Turkish Tasavvuf Music� (TTM), �Turkish Art Music�
(TAM), �Traditional Turkish Art Music� (TTAM), �Turkish Folk Music� (TFM)
and �Alla Turca�, each more cumbersome than the other, it is necessary to
elucidate what we mean by the expression �Maqam Music�.

It must be confessed that our music community lingers on a medley of
concepts. As someone who received Classical Western Music formation, I am
concerned by the sight I behold. What we have here before us is a repertory
notated on a single staff� lacking dynamics more often than not, prepared
jejunely, with what instruments the scores shall be performed are not
specified, there are almost no instrumental parts, no sign of
instrumentation. Almost all the scores have been hastily notated in the near
past. Moreover, it is not very clear which of the aforesaid categories the
repertory falls into�

For example, let us take the Hijaz sharki by Hammamizade �smail Dede Efendi
with the lyrics "Ey b�t-i nev eda, olmu�am m�btela"� Is this sharki, which
bears the characteristics of 19th Century, CTM, TAM, or TTAM? Consider, if
it were to be performed by an instrumental ensemble comprising ba�lama,
kaval or kabak kemane also, what prevents them from being perceived as TFM?

Similarly, let us look at the following works with the given lyrics: Haf�z
Post�s Rast �Gelse o �uh meclise, naz � tegaf�l eylese�, Tanburi Mustafa
�avu��s Hisar-Buselik �D�k z�lf�n� meydana gel� or Yesari As�m Ersoy�s Hijaz
�Yar sa�lar� l�le l�le�� Will they become CTM when the State Classical
Turkish Music Choir performs them? Does a work acquire �artfulness� once it
passes through the hands of TRT (Turkish Radio and Television Institution)
that we call it �Art Music�? Or will they become TFM pieces in case the
State Turkish Folk Music Ensemble renders them? Are not the listeners of
these works �ordinary folk� already, that we establish a genre called Folk
Music?

I believe these are well-placed questions. It strikes me that we were
excessively hasty in branding styles/forms differing in the slightest withou
t the least bit of change in the texture of music as genres.

Whereas, Western societies do not bother with such problems. The
Classical-Contemporary genre, which encapsulates different performance
styles and schools, is being transmitted to new generations via
conservatories that (as the name implies) preserve the tradition, and
evolves throughout history in an organic manner without severing its ties
with the past. One may count every kind of performance tradition here, from
violin or piano solos to gigantic symphony orchestras and choirs. In these
performance traditions, twelve-tone equal temperament methodology dominates
the scene due to the undisputed influence of the pianoforte since the past
two hundred years.

Besides the Classical-Contemporary genre, regional and popular musics such
as Blues, Jazz, Rock, Country, Hiphop (all of which use a similar tuning
system and notation due to the delimiting prevalance of guitars and
electronic keyboards) and ethnic musics coming from old Western colonies to
Europe and Americas should be recalled. World Music and Fusion type
syntheses are among these. As is well known, the ones most sought after are
Indian and Arab (otherwise, �Oriental�) musics. So great is the curiosity of
the West in regards to cultures foreign to its own, that �Gamelan
Orchestras� unique to Indonesia are founded in the music departments of
some universities.

Let us return to ourselves� It will be expedient to dissipate the confusion
just a little. I adopt the �Maqam Music� nomenclature for this reason. The
saying �Turkish Maqam Music� ought not imply different instrumental
ensembles, performance styles and manners, but � just as with
Classical-Contemporary Western Music � the repertory based on maqams which
are more or less the equivalent of keys/modes. Thereby, when the �Turkish�
prefix is omitted, we may consider the works also based on maqams/dastgahs
by neighbouring nations under the umbrella of �Maqam Music� � just as is the
case with Brahms, Shostakovitch, and Copland making Classical-Contemporary
Western Music despite the fact that they belonged to different nations.
Hence, Abd al-wahhab and Umm Kulthum become part of our multi-cultural
identity. Moreover, it therefore becomes possible to evaluate our Armenian,
Greek, and Jewish musicians outside of the scope of a Turkish nationalism
that, from time to time, borders chauvanism.

As an additional reason why we do not say �Turkish Music� straightforwardly,
we may offer the �Alla Turca�Alla Franca dichotomy� troubling us since
eighty years. When we say Turkish Music, no music other than �the music made
by Turks� is understood. Because no racial/ethnic distinction can be made
between westernized modernist Turks and conservative Turks who uphold
Eastern values, and because the East-West conflict still dominates a huge
part of our lives, only saying �Turkish Music� does unfortunately nothing
but confuse minds. How much of a Westen Music can ���kt�k a��k al�nla on
y�lda her sava�tan� which incites the millions be regarded? This piece is
not sung by Westerners, but our masses. What of the Popular musics that are
in vogue since the 1950s? Such artists like Celal �nce? Erol B�y�kbur�?
Erkin Koray? Cahit Berkay? Bar�� Man�o? In the end, all these artists have
most certainly composed Turkish Music, be it �without maqams� the way we
recognize them, or in Western fashion, since they are the outcome of our
culture before all else, and are Turkish in origin.

To sum up, we dub �Turkish Maqam Music� the genre that necessitates a tuning
which contains more tones compared to Classical Western Music, based on
characteristic maqams, comprising many performance styles and manners,
regularly performed on instruments such as tanbur, ud, kanun, kemen�e, ney,
ba�lama, kaval and basically by people of Turkish origin or Turkophiles, and
that which is mostly monophonic.

Search for a theoretical model compatible with practice

It has been established on the basis of frequency measurements and analyses,
that the 24-tone Pythagorean tuning is not a model suitable to express all
the intervals of Turkish Maqam Music and does not suffice to compensate
practice contrary to what is claimed (Karaosmano�lu & Akko�, 2003). It has
been made manifest that characteristic middle second intervals representable
by such superparticular ratios (based on the formula n+1/n) and roughly
corresponding to 2/3, 3/4 and 4/5 whole-tone like 13:12, 12:11, 11:10 are
particularly used in maqams such as U��ak, Saba, H�zzam, Karc��ar, and that
these are not haphazard deviations (Yarman, et al., 2008).

During the �Music Reformation� period of 1920s and 30s (Pa�ac�, 1999), these
intervals associated with Byzantine and Arabs and dubbed �quarter-tones� had
been asserted as a pretext to reject �Alla Turca�. It is interesting that
the controversial theory employed in practice and education today was formed
just at a time when the tradition was under attack. The 24-tone Pythagorean
tuning and theoretical model based on it, whose foundations were laid by
Rauf Yekta, Saadettin Arel and Suphi Ezgi, seems to promote a �Turkish Maqam
Music� bereft of �quarter-tones�, and thus, far from being regarded as
Arabic or Byzantine origin, and in the end, not provoking the response of
the �Music Reformation�. Consequently, non-conformance appears to have
arisen due to the brushing aside of �quarter-tones� in concord with the
rationale stated above (Yarman, 2008).

Recently, it is being debated how much sharper or flatter in terms of commas
should the variable degrees of maqams which are not executed as they are
notated be sounded compared to the theory based on the 24-tone Pythagorean
tuning called �Arel-Ezgi-Uzdilek� (AEU). This disposition is surely due to
the need to express middle second intervals not specified in current theory.

Moreover, 32 or more frets from yegah to neva are affixed on tanburs today.
In the same context, qanun-makers affix semi-tone mandals at logarithmically
one twelveth of the octave by referring to tuners imported from the West,
and divide the remaining length to the nut into six equal parts; in other
words, they practically divide the octave into 72 equal parts without
probably being aware of it. From this state of affairs, one may perceive
that it is impossible for practice not to conflict with current theory.

That being the case, to assure that there is no discrepancy between what is
written and what is performed, it is necessary to develop a new theoretical
model along with a proprietary notation faithfully embracing executed
intervals, or to reinterpret and revise the notation at hand.

Fixedness of pitch

In Turkish Maqam Music, just as there are those who say that one should
never under any circumstances venture outside the boundaries of the 24
Pythagorean perdes (tones), there are also those who set forth tenacious
opinions such as that the perdes have no fixedness, and therefore may not be
learned but �passed on by way of meshk (oral instruction)�.

It is not possible for us to agree with either of these arguments. For one
thing, characteristic middle second intervals peculiar to certain maqams do
not exist in the �Arel-Ezgi-Uzdilek� system. In order to compensate for
these, additional frets are fastened to tanburs and mandals affixed to
qanuns. On the other hand, there will inevitably be mathematical
relationships between pitches. For instance, we shall be able to say that
the interval between rast-neva, d�gah-h�seyni, and segah-evc will always be
a fifth, be it pure or tempered.

Besides, qanun, tanbur and ney are �quantized instruments�, and in the very
least, the pitches of the qanun and the tanbur remain relatively static
throughout performance. Even if we were to accept that ney perdes are very
flexible, it should be feasible to satisfactorily approximate executed
frequencies by a high resolution tone-grid.

In Western Music too do wind instruments and strings show deviations from
12-tone equal temperament (tET), but this tuning is able to satisfactorily
represent played frequencies. Furthermore, instrumental education is geared
toward 12-tET which is originally intended for keyboard instruments. To
discuss how useful and necessary it is to take fixedness of pitch as a basis
in music education is redundant.

So, in order to lay the groundwork for a theory true to Turkish Maqam Music,
it becomes a fundamental goal to incline towards a �microtonal fixedness of
pitch� that shuns ambiguity but allows room for flexibility.

A selection of fixed-pitch settings for Maqam Music

In Turkish Maqam Music, amongst temperaments that equally divide the octave
into logarithmic parts, we know of 53 and 72-tone equal temperaments. The
first is being used since more than half a century as a theoretical tool to
express how much sharper or flatter in terms of commas the variable degrees
of maqams will be played (Aksoy, 1995). The latter is the elaborated version
of the �12 equal semi-tones per octave methodology� that has come to be
applied to qanuns due to interactions with Western Music. Both are very
sturdy systems.

53-tET comprises the 24-tone Pythagorean tuning with maximum 1 cent absolute
error. In any event, we insinuate it when explaining the theory in effect by
saying that there are �9 commas in a whole-tone, 53 in an octave�. Above
all, its indispensability in elucidating the 6 and 7 comma middle seconds
peculiar to maqams such as U��ak, Saba, H�zzam and Karc��ar is incontestable
(Yarman, et al., 2008).

However, we see in qanuns another system, namely, 72-tET. Between these two
tunings, there are differences at certain locations that amount to as much
as half a comma. In 72-tET, more detail is present. If a higher resolution
than 53-tET is desired, the advantages of dividing the octave into 72 equal
parts becomes manifest.

Since we are soaring about so high numbers, I would like to mention a tuning
I arrived at by dividing the octave into 159 parts and extracting from that
79 tones, which I implemented on a qanun manufactured by Ejder G�le�. The
features of this system, whose generator interval is 15.1 cents or 2/3 of a
Holdrian comma, are:

1. That the main maqam is, as was the case in the past, Rast, as compared to
the �argah of �Arel-Ezgi-Uzdilek� which is defined as C Major (Levendo�lu,
2003), and that the principal scale of this maqam is expressed as natural
(non-accidented) notes on the staff.

2. That, in accordance with the international diapason which comes along
with the usage of Western staff notation, �S�p�rde Ahenk� (C key/diapason)
is taken as basis where Rast scale more or less corresponds to the white
keys of the pianoforte.

3. That the 3rd degree, which is segah, and the 7th degree, which is evc, of
Rast are acquired without breaking the cycle of fifths utilized in the
construction of the scale.

4. Again, via an uninterrupted cycle of fifths, that the 3rd and 7th degrees
of the Rast scale are replaced by the higher perdes buselik and mahur, and
therefore, modulation to Mahur is made possible.

5. That myriad �middle second� intervals seen in practice are positioned
between such points as d�gah-segah, �argah-saba, and neva-hisar.

6. That such procedures are repeated at sharp and flat tones as easily as on
natural tones, and that it becomes possible to transpose over to every ahenk
(key/diapason) on the qanun.

7. That a 12-tone closed cycle is extracted for chromatic passages.

8. That there are no inconsistencies in notation and that accidental symbols
are adequate for microtonal polyphony.

The 79-tone tuning is a most suitable theoretical device for the
transposition of scales to any degree with a maximum deviation of 8 cents at
every step.

In notating the 79-tone tuning, I adopted the �Sagittal Microtonal System�
developed by George Secor and David Keenan (Secor & Keenan, 2006). It is
possible to express every comma nuance with only three additional microtonal
accidentals alongside customary sharps and flats. These accidentals are:

1. Left barbs raising or lowering a pitch by 1 degree /|&\!,

2. Right barbs raising or lowering a pitch by 2 degrees |\&!/,

3. Double barbs raising or lowering a pitch by 3 degrees or a quarter-tone
/|\&\!/.

Accordingly, the (/|+|\ =/|\) formula always stands. Sharps and flats are
always 6 degrees, double sharps and double flats are 12 degrees, and the
tones in between are found by adding to or subtracting from these the
microtonal accidentals of the Sagittal System. Notation is very much
consistent.

We provide the 79-tone tuning and the traditional perdes collected in 17
zones below (Table 1-not given).

But what about tanburs? No matter how long their necks are, the frets which
can be fastened are limited in number. We ought to think of the ba�lamas as
well. Under these circumstances, it might be necessary to focus on tunings
�less voluminous� compared to 53-tET. These are, from small to large,
34-tET, 41-tET and 46-tET. Their generator intervals are 706, 702 and 704
cent fifths respectively.

In 46-tET, just as with 53-tET, there are two kinds of middle seconds, and
it is an attractive system. If, however, we partition the octave into 41
equal parts, we can acquire the 24-tone Pythagorean tuning within tolerable
limits and obtain at least one kind of middle second. 34-tET on the other
hand, seems more compatible with the 17 traditional perdes outlook.

All of these are favourable for transpositions and polyphony. If asked that
we choose one, 41-tET appears most ideal for tanburs. Ba�lamas and qanuns
can too be manufactured in conformance to it. We can conceive theory and
notation from the beginning accordingly (Table 2-not given).

Nevertheless, if we seek more detail, focusing on 72-tET and beyond is
unavoidable. In academic studies, we shall preferably move up to the 79-tone
tuning.

In that case, I suggest that we advance in two frontiers, choose either 34
or 41-tone equal temperament for low resolution, and converge on the 79-tone
tuning for high resolution.

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References

Aksoy, B., (1995). �Makam�n Tan�m�na Do�ru�. Trans. K. A�artan. Mus�ki�inas.
Bo�azi�i University Turkish Music Club Publication. 2000. 70-87.

Karaosmano�lu, M. K. & C. Akko�, (2003). �T�rk Musikisinde �cra-Teori
Birli�ini Sa�lama Yolunda Bir Giri�im�. Presentation to 10th M�z-Dak (T�rk
M�zi�i Dernek ve Vak�flar� Dayan��ma Konseyi) Symposium. Ma�ka Social
Establishments, Istanbul Technical University, 4 December.

Levendo�lu, O. N., (2003). �Klasik T�rk M�zi�i�nde Ana Dizi Tart��mas� ve
�argah Makam�. Gazi E�itim Fak�ltesi Dergisi, vol 23, nr. 2. Ankara: Gazi
University Publication. 181-93.

Pa�ac�, G., (1999). �Cumhuriyet�in Sesli Ser�veni�. G. Pa�ac�, ed.
Cumhuriyet�in Sesleri. �stanbul: Tarih Vakf� Yay�nlar�. 1999. 10-29.

Secor, G. D. & David C. Keenan, (2006). �Sagittal � A Microtonal Notation
System�. Xenharmonikon: An Informal Journal of Experimental Music, vol. 18.

Yarman, O., et al. (2008). �T�rk makam m�zi�i�nde nazariyat-icra
�rt��mezli�ine bir ��z�m: 79-sesli d�zen�. �T� Dergisi B, ISSN 1303-7013
(pending publication).

Yarman, O., (2008). T�rk Makam M�zi�i ��in 79-Sesli D�zen ve Kuram. Ph. D.
Thesis completed in Istanbul Technical University Turkish Music State
Conservatory Musicology Department.

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@lumma.org>

2/29/2008 7:50:59 AM

Finally something worth reading around here. -Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>
> Search For A Theoretical Model Conforming To Turkish Maqam Music
> Practice: A Selection Of Fixed-Pitch Settings From 34-tone Equal
> Temperament To The 79-tone Tuning
>

🔗Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@ozanyarman.com>

2/29/2008 7:54:15 AM

Thank you very much for your encouragement, Carl. :)

Oz.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Lumma" <carl@lumma.org>
To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 29 �ubat 2008 Cuma 17:50
Subject: [tuning] Re: A paper I shall deliver to a congress in a few days

> Finally something worth reading around here. -Carl
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
> >
> > Search For A Theoretical Model Conforming To Turkish Maqam Music
> > Practice: A Selection Of Fixed-Pitch Settings From 34-tone Equal
> > Temperament To The 79-tone Tuning
> >

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@lumma.org>

2/29/2008 8:19:22 AM

I just finished reading it. Though I'm not in a position
to judge its success in capturing maqam music practice, I can
thoroughly support the objective to do so, and the tools which
you used.

I did feel the end was a bit rushed. I would have liked more
detail on why 34 is more compatible with the perdes. Am I
correct in assuming that the primary advantage of 41 to 46
is that it is more compatible with one of the existing
(24-tone Pythagorean) systems? How does 34 fare on providing
the needed middle seconds?

-Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you very much for your encouragement, Carl. :)
>
> Oz.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Lumma" <carl@...>
> To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: 29 Þubat 2008 Cuma 17:50
> Subject: [tuning] Re: A paper I shall deliver to a congress
> in a few days
>
>
> > Finally something worth reading around here. -Carl
> >
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Search For A Theoretical Model Conforming To Turkish Maqam Music
> > > Practice: A Selection Of Fixed-Pitch Settings From 34-tone Equal
> > > Temperament To The 79-tone Tuning
> > >
>

🔗Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@ozanyarman.com>

3/1/2008 10:12:25 AM

Hi Carl,

To my knowledge, my paper is the first instance of presenting 34, 41 and 46
tone equal temperaments as possible replacements for the yet current 24-tone
Pythagorean tuning of Turkish Maqam Music at odds with practice, which, for
all intents and purposes, is a subset of 53-EDO. My primary focus was
acquiring middle seconds via quasi-Pythagorean fifths, for the presence of
these intervals are compulsory for certain maqams. I do not want to sound
dismissive of 53-tET, but I fear it is just too voluminous for some
instruments; that is why I chose lower cardinals. Their fifths are tolerable
and particularly 41 is consistent in the 7 and 11 limits. And of course, as
everyone knows, equally dividing the octave is necessary to assure exact
transpositions.

The end may be a bit rushed as you say. But I aim to fill the gaps orally
and by way of direct audio-video demonstration. Upon your criticism, I
modified the following section in the last page:

"34-tET on the other hand, seems more compatible with the 17 traditional
perdes outlook due to being divisible by this number."

Therefore, 34-tET appears more compatible because it is twice 17. One can
thus count each perde as double, where each counterpart is a "comma" distant
from the original. Besides, it is an excellent 5-limit system and the fact
that the middle second is somewhat of an average of 13:12 and 12:11 is
favourable.

The real advantage of 41 to 46 is its better approximation of 7-limit JI.
Furthermore, it is significant that one can obtain the Arel-Ezgi-Uzdilek
scale with maximum 6 cents absolute error. This makes transition in between
feasible.

Cordially,
Oz.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Lumma" <carl@lumma.org>
To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 29 �ubat 2008 Cuma 18:19
Subject: [tuning] Re: A paper I shall deliver to a congress in a few days

I just finished reading it. Though I'm not in a position
to judge its success in capturing maqam music practice, I can
thoroughly support the objective to do so, and the tools which
you used.

I did feel the end was a bit rushed. I would have liked more
detail on why 34 is more compatible with the perdes. Am I
correct in assuming that the primary advantage of 41 to 46
is that it is more compatible with one of the existing
(24-tone Pythagorean) systems? How does 34 fare on providing
the needed middle seconds?

-Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you very much for your encouragement, Carl. :)
>
> Oz.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Lumma" <carl@...>
> To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: 29 �ubat 2008 Cuma 17:50
> Subject: [tuning] Re: A paper I shall deliver to a congress
> in a few days
>
>
> > Finally something worth reading around here. -Carl
> >
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Search For A Theoretical Model Conforming To Turkish Maqam Music
> > > Practice: A Selection Of Fixed-Pitch Settings From 34-tone Equal
> > > Temperament To The 79-tone Tuning
> > >
>

🔗hstraub64 <hstraub64@telesonique.net>

4/11/2008 1:41:31 AM

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Carl,
>
> To my knowledge, my paper is the first instance of presenting 34, 41
> and 46 tone equal temperaments as possible replacements for the yet
> current 24-tone Pythagorean tuning of Turkish Maqam Music at odds
> with practice, which, for all intents and purposes, is a subset of
> 53-EDO. My primary focus was acquiring middle seconds via
> quasi-Pythagorean fifths, for the presence of these intervals are
> compulsory for certain maqams. I do not want to sound dismissive of
> 53-tET, but I fear it is just too voluminous for some instruments;
> that is why I chose lower cardinals. Their fifths are tolerable
> and particularly 41 is consistent in the 7 and 11 limits. And of
> course, as everyone knows, equally dividing the octave is necessary
> to assure exact transpositions.
>
> The end may be a bit rushed as you say. But I aim to fill the gaps
> orally and by way of direct audio-video demonstration. Upon your
> criticism, I modified the following section in the last page:
>
> "34-tET on the other hand, seems more compatible with the 17
> traditional perdes outlook due to being divisible by this number."
>
> Therefore, 34-tET appears more compatible because it is twice 17.
> One can thus count each perde as double, where each counterpart is a
> "comma" distant from the original. Besides, it is an excellent
> 5-limit system and the fact that the middle second is somewhat of an
> average of 13:12 and 12:11 is favourable.
>
> The real advantage of 41 to 46 is its better approximation of
> 7-limit JI.
> Furthermore, it is significant that one can obtain the
> Arel-Ezgi-Uzdilek scale with maximum 6 cents absolute error. This
> makes transition in between feasible.
>

Quite interesting! Maybe I should put a link to this paper into the
xenharmonic wiki, too.

One question: in your paper as well as in your dissertation, it looks
to me that the third degree of the Rast scale is more or less a major
third - while on http://www.maqamworld.com, the third degree of the
Rast scale is given as a neutral third. Do I have seomthing wrong, or
is that a difference between arabic and turkisch maqams?
--
Hans Straub

🔗Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@ozanyarman.com>

4/11/2008 9:51:26 AM

Dear Hans,

I would be honoured if you decide my paper is worthy to refer to in the
website you mention.

Yes, the third degree of Rast, which is perde segah, is higher with Turks
compared to Arabs for this maqam. I understand that Arabs render maqam Segah
with a quarter-tonal segah also (dismissing altogether the leading tone,
which is perde kurdi), whereas we Turks execute segah of maqam Segah and
Huzzam as it is sounded in Rast. However, perde segah is very fickle and its
pitch varies depending on the maqam. In Turkish versions of Hijaz, Ushshaq,
Beyati, Huseyni, Saba and Karjighar, segah is much lower. There are times
when even in Turkish Rast, segah approaches the quarter-tonal segah of
Arabs.

In 79 MOS 159-tET, observe the "segah zone":

22: 332.075 cents (44th) Hijazi Segah 63/52,40/33,17/14
23: 347.170 cents (46th) Ushshaqi Segah 39/32,11/9,27/22
24: 362.264 cents (48th) Sabai Segah 16/13,100/81,21/17
25: 377.358 cents (50th) Segahche 31/25,41/33,46/37,5/4
26: 392.453 cents (52th) Segah 5/4,64/51,59/47

Recently, I concluded that 392 cents are too high for segah, and that maybe
this should be "segahche", with "evjara" a fifth above.

Cordially,
Oz.

----- Original Message -----
From: "hstraub64" <hstraub64@telesonique.net>
To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 11 Nisan 2008 Cuma 11:41
Subject: [tuning] Re: A paper I shall deliver to a congress in a few days

> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Carl,
> >
> > To my knowledge, my paper is the first instance of presenting 34, 41
> > and 46 tone equal temperaments as possible replacements for the yet
> > current 24-tone Pythagorean tuning of Turkish Maqam Music at odds
> > with practice, which, for all intents and purposes, is a subset of
> > 53-EDO. My primary focus was acquiring middle seconds via
> > quasi-Pythagorean fifths, for the presence of these intervals are
> > compulsory for certain maqams. I do not want to sound dismissive of
> > 53-tET, but I fear it is just too voluminous for some instruments;
> > that is why I chose lower cardinals. Their fifths are tolerable
> > and particularly 41 is consistent in the 7 and 11 limits. And of
> > course, as everyone knows, equally dividing the octave is necessary
> > to assure exact transpositions.
> >
> > The end may be a bit rushed as you say. But I aim to fill the gaps
> > orally and by way of direct audio-video demonstration. Upon your
> > criticism, I modified the following section in the last page:
> >
> > "34-tET on the other hand, seems more compatible with the 17
> > traditional perdes outlook due to being divisible by this number."
> >
> > Therefore, 34-tET appears more compatible because it is twice 17.
> > One can thus count each perde as double, where each counterpart is a
> > "comma" distant from the original. Besides, it is an excellent
> > 5-limit system and the fact that the middle second is somewhat of an
> > average of 13:12 and 12:11 is favourable.
> >
> > The real advantage of 41 to 46 is its better approximation of
> > 7-limit JI.
> > Furthermore, it is significant that one can obtain the
> > Arel-Ezgi-Uzdilek scale with maximum 6 cents absolute error. This
> > makes transition in between feasible.
> >
>
> Quite interesting! Maybe I should put a link to this paper into the
> xenharmonic wiki, too.
>
> One question: in your paper as well as in your dissertation, it looks
> to me that the third degree of the Rast scale is more or less a major
> third - while on http://www.maqamworld.com, the third degree of the
> Rast scale is given as a neutral third. Do I have seomthing wrong, or
> is that a difference between arabic and turkisch maqams?
> --
> Hans Straub
>
>