Jacque Halévy (quartertone opera 1843)

Reading about microtonality at the
Italian wikispaces page I realized
that Jacque Halévy wrote an opera
in quartertones in 1843, plus some
other works like cantata prométhee.

Does anybody know a recording
or scores of any of these works?

I did not find anything on the internet!

Tony Salinas

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "J.A.Martin Salinas" <tony@...> wrote:
>
> Reading about microtonality at the
> Italian wikispaces page I realized
> that Jacque Halévy wrote an opera
> in quartertones in 1843, plus some
> other works like cantata prométhee.
>
> Does anybody know a recording
> or scores of any of these works?
>
> I did not find anything on the internet!
>

Hmm, composed in 1843 - this would be "Charles VI", would it? I
looked in the internet, too, and found several mentions of it (it was
revived in 2005 in France) - but nowhere was any trace of
information this being in quartertones. Maybe the italian wikispaces
page is not correct?

--
Hans Straub

> ) - but nowhere was any trace of
> information this being in quartertones. Maybe the italian wikispaces
> page is not correct?

So then the originals should be checked!

Any idea where are they kept?

...So the English wikispaces says:

first mainstream western orchestral composition to use quarter tones.

so this encyclopedia suggests that there was other people using quartertones
200 or 300 years ago!!!

Any idea who are they?

Tony Salinas

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "J.A.Martin Salinas" <tony@...> wrote:
>
> > ) - but nowhere was any trace of
> > information this being in quartertones. Maybe the italian
> > wikispaces page is not correct?
>
> So then the originals should be checked!
>
> Any idea where are they kept?
>
>
> ...So the English wikispaces says:
>
> first mainstream western orchestral composition to use quarter
> tones.
>

This is about "Prométhée enchaîné". Maybe I should ad this to the
xenharmonic wiki.
But there is no mention of any opera...

> so this encyclopedia suggests that there was other people using
> quartertones
> 200 or 300 years ago!!!
>
> Any idea who are they?
>

Maybe one of the 31EDO guys?
--
Hans Straub

The 38 cents of the 31-EDO was used by Vicentino and
and then had a few hundred years gap before its
revival in Holland, but in that gap of time is there
someone else who employed intervals of 50 cents
or less? Is not a matter of it was done by a mainstream
but of nay records showing its usage ... ideally scores.

Vicentino must have had some followers, and if Halévy
was really targetting Greek modes with quartertones,
I am sure that he wasn't the only one.

The gap from Vicentino to Carrillo is too big and I am sure
there must have been other people (probably Halévy?)
using 24-EDO, 31-EDO or higher divisions of the octave.

> Maybe one of the 31EDO guys

Since 31 is more based on ratio closeness probably explains why we
find it first. the idea of 24 would have to wait till 12 ET was
thought of as a possibility or more a given. by this time you had 53
and its subsets in the mideast and beyond.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "J.A.Martin Salinas" <tony@...> wrote:
>
> The 38 cents of the 31-EDO was used by Vicentino and
> and then had a few hundred years gap before its
> revival in Holland, but in that gap of time is there
> someone else who employed intervals of 50 cents
> or less? Is not a matter of it was done by a mainstream
> but of nay records showing its usage ... ideally scores.
>
> Vicentino must have had some followers, and if Halévy
> was really targetting Greek modes with quartertones,
> I am sure that he wasn't the only one.
>
> The gap from Vicentino to Carrillo is too big and I am sure
> there must have been other people (probably Halévy?)
> using 24-EDO, 31-EDO or higher divisions of the octave.
>
>
> > Maybe one of the 31EDO guys
>

Hi Tony,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "J.A.Martin Salinas" <tony@...> wrote:
>
> Reading about microtonality at the
> Italian wikispaces page I realized
> that Jacque Halévy wrote an opera
> in quartertones in 1843, plus some
> other works like cantata prométhee.
>
> Does anybody know a recording
> or scores of any of these works?
>
> I did not find anything on the internet!

Take a look here, under "1849":
http://tonalsoft.com/enc/v/vienna.aspx

I also added something, just fairly recently, to
one of the Wikipedia pages ... i thought it might
be the "quartertone" article but apparently i'm
wrong about that. I did put a small mention of it
into the "Fromental Halevy" article.

-monz

email: joemonz(AT)yahoo(DOT)com
http://tonalsoft.com/tonescape.aspx
Tonescape microtonal music software

Thanks Monz for your invitation to meet in San Diego
I will try to include that on my itinerary.

I am also entering a proposal for a fund available
from the Spanish goverment for a research, recording
and CD marketing project.

I made a list of the microtonal works by Carrillo
indicating the year and the recording were they can
be found if they happen to be recorded.

I am proposing to record some of his works with
also post-Carrillo works in the 96-EDO

I still have not found any works by Carrillo
for his pianos metamorfoseardores:

Julián Carrillo patented 15 pianos respectively tuned in semitones
(12-EDO), third of tones (18-EDO), quartertones (24-EDO), fifth of
tones (30-EDO), sixth of tones (36-EDO), seventh of tones (42-EDO), eighth of tones (48-EDO), ninth of tones (54-EDO), tenth of tones (60-
EDO), eleventh of tones (66-EDO), twelfth of tones (72-EDO),
thirteenths (78-EDO), fourteenth of tones (84-EDO), fifteenth of
tones (90-EDO), and sixteenths of tones (96-EDO)

(there is a lot for the 96-EDO, and a bit for 18-EDO, 24-EDO and 30-EDO)

Carrillo must have written for all the piano metamorfoseadores
in order to have some music played at the 1948 exhibition!!!

Anybody knows about it???

I have the list of his microtonal works in case
anybody knows something that has been recorded
and that I have not indicated, or where to find
the scores of the works that have not been recorded

I am also after the Philips collection in case someone knows
where to find it

MY PROPOSAL IS DUE ON THE 28TH OF JANUARY

so I guess I can include your 96-EDO piece Shahin. OK?

============SONIDO 13====================
Sorry about the Spanish
tercios de tono = thirds of tone (18-EDO)
quintos de tono = fifths of tone (30-EDO)
4os de tono = cuartos de tono =quartertones (24-EDO)
8os de tono = eigths of tone (48-EDO)
16avos de tono = sixteenths of tone (96-EDO)

1924

LP (Philips-Paris) (839.272 DSY) / CD P - 200203 - Preludio a Colón
para soprano, violín, flauta y guitarra en 4os de tono; octavina en
8os y arpa en 16avos. [Prelude to Columbus]

Ave María. Coro en 4os de tono y diversos instrumentos (incluyendo
arpa) en 4os, 8os y 16avos de tono.

Preludio para violonchelo en 4os de tono con acompañamiento de varios
instrumentos en 4os, 8os y 16avos de tono.

Hoja de álbum para varios instrumentos en 4os, 8os y 16avos de tono.

1925

LP (Philips-Paris) (839.272 DSY)Sonata casi fantasía para violín,
corno, guitarra, octavina, chelo y arpa (4os, 8os y 16avos de tono)

1926

Concertino para violín, guitarra y chelo en 4os de tono, octavina 8os
de tono y arpa en 16avos de tono, con acompañamiento de grande
orquesta en semitonos.
( Concertino No.1 - Musikprotokoll’88? )

Primera Sinfonía Colombia en 4os, 8os y 16avos de tono. Escrita a
petición de Leopold Stokowski.[First Colombia Symphony, in quarters,
eighths and sixteenths of tone. It was composed by commision of
Leopold Stokowski]

Segunda Sinfonía Colombia en 4os, 8os y 16avos de tono. (ms) [Second
Colombia Symphony, in quarters, eighths and sixteenths of tone]

1927

60 estudios en 4os de tono para contrabajo [Sixty studies for doublle
bass in quarters of tone].

Nocturno al Río Hudson o Misterioso Hudson? Preludio para grande
orquesta en 4os, 8os y 16avos de tono (Nueva York). Dedicado a la
señora de Arthur Rice, presidenta de la Liga de Compositores.
[Nocturne to Hudson River, in quarters, eighths and sixteenths of
tone for big Orchestra. It is dedicated to Mrs. Arthur Rice,
president of the Composers League]

1928

Ensueño. Coro en 4os de tono

I think of you. For mezzo-soprano, flauta, violín, viola y guitarra
todos en 4os de tono y arpa en 16os de tono

1929

Coro en 4os de tono.

Improntu para dos sopranos en 4os de tono, y trompeta y arpa en
16avos de tono.

Capricho para coro y orquesta en 16avos de tono.

Estudios para piano en 5os s de tono.

1930

Murmullos

Amanecer en Berlín. Sonata[ina] para arpa en 4os de tono ms.

LP (Philips-Paris) Dos sonatas para violín en 4os de tono. Una mas
sin grabar!!!

Fantasía Sonido 13 para orquesta completa en 4os, octavos y 16avos
de tono.

8 de septiembre. Fantasía [politonal] para piano y orquesta (Sonido
13???)

1931

Sonata para guitarra en 4os de tono

Estudios para guitarra en 3os de tono.

Sonata para guitarra en 4os de tono

Mazatlán. Ensueño. Murmullos. Coros en 4os de tono.

1932

LP (Philips-Paris) (839.272 DSY) Tercer cuarteto en 4os de tono.
Parte de los seis cuartetos para arco grabados?

1940

CD (SonyCD2) Ocho cuartetos en cuartos de tono. Meditación (4o) En
Secreto (5o)

1947

LP (Philips-Paris) (839.272 DSY) Horizontes. Poema sinfónico o
Preludio para violín 4os y 8os de tono; violonchelo 4os 8os de tono;
arpa en 16avos de tono, con acompañamiento de orquesta sinfónica.

1948

LP (Philips-Paris) (839.272 DSY) Concertino para piano en tercios de
tono y orquesta (pianista Bernard Flavigny)

1949

LP (Philips-Paris) (839.272 DSY) Primer concierto para violín en 4os
de tono. (Puede ser que el grabado sea el segundo)

1958

CD (SonyCD2) Balbuceos, para piano en 16avos de tono y orquesta de
cámara tradicional.

1959

LP (Philips-Paris) (839.272 DSY) ?Segundo concierto en 4os de tono
para violín.

1962

LP (Philips-Paris) (839.272 DSY) & CRI SD 246 (Composers recordings
Inc) - Misa en cuartos de tono para voces masculinas a cappella
dedicada al Papa Juan XIII (Misa de la Restauración)

1963

Segunda misa en cuartos de tono a cappella.

====Other works that are mentioned in Carrillo's writings but which I
am not sure yet about the year they were written=================

LP (Philips-Paris) (839.272 DSY) Concierto para violonchelo en 4 os y
8 os de tono, concertino para piano en tercios de tono

LP (Philips-Paris) (839.272 DSY) Balbuceos para piano en 16 os de tono

LP (Philips-Paris) (839.272 DSY) Seis cuartetos para instrumentos de
arco en 4 os de tono 3er encontrado 4o sony also

LP (Philips-Paris) (839.272 DSY) Cuatro sonatas para violonchelo en 4
os de tono

LP (Philips-Paris) (839.272 DSY) Una sonata para viola en 4 os de tono