Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup tuning is GWS ok?

Does anyone have the means of giving him (Gene WS) a phone call to
check in?

It strikes me as peculiar that he would all of a sudden drop out of
tuning-world existence. He was such a regular. I know he was
experiencing some health issues (what I know not, but that's why he
couldn't write anything for MWMF).

If he hypothetically (knock on wood) died, who would know? Is he a hermit?

-A.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Szanto" <jszanto@...> wrote:
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm still hoping so. -Carl
> >
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, aaron@ wrote:
> > >
> > > His last post was Nov. 10th in tuning.
>
> I dropped him a line at the email address given at his Xenharmonicity
> site (or whatever it's called) and it bounced. I know he had a gmail
> account but I don't have the handle. Maybe one of you can drop him a
line.
>
> Cheers,
> Jon
>

🔗Petr Parízek <p.parizek@chello.cz>

🔗David Beardsley <db@biink.com>

🔗Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@ozanyarman.com>

What a cool guy. We used to talk on tuning theory a year or two ago before
he went *missing*.

Oz.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Beardsley" <db@biink.com>
To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 15 Aralï¿½k 2007 Cumartesi 21:55
Subject: Re: [tuning] Re: is GWS ok?

> David Beardsley wrote:
> > Mystery? There was a mystery?
> >
> > Here's his myspace page. There's a picture of him with a funny hat.
> >
> http://www.myspace.com/paulerlich
>
>
> --
> * David Beardsley
> * microtonal guitar
> * http://biink.com
>
>

🔗Petr Parízek <p.parizek@chello.cz>

🔗Jon Szanto <jszanto@cox.net>

🔗David Beardsley <db@biink.com>

🔗Graham Breed <gbreed@gmail.com>

Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:
> Does anyone have the means of giving him (Gene WS) a phone call to
> check in?
> > It strikes me as peculiar that he would all of a sudden drop out of
> tuning-world existence. He was such a regular. I know he was
> experiencing some health issues (what I know not, but that's why he
> couldn't write anything for MWMF).

He dropped out before, then dropped back in without any fuss and answered some questions, and then dropped out again. Maybe he was having problems he didn't mention it.

> If he hypothetically (knock on wood) died, who would know? Is he a hermit?

Doesn't he work somewhere? Do they have web page listing him?

It does remind me that I broke my leg once, and was stuck in hospital without any Internet access for a month. I don't think anybody missed me, but in case it happens again I've always got Monzo's number in my mobile phone. (I hope it's still current. And my phone can't make foreign calls, but whatever...)

Graham

🔗monz <joemonz@yahoo.com>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Krister Johnson" <aaron@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have the means of giving him (Gene WS) a
> phone call to check in?
>
> It strikes me as peculiar that he would all of a sudden
> drop out of tuning-world existence. He was such a regular.
> I know he was experiencing some health issues (what I
> know not, but that's why he couldn't write anything for MWMF).
>
> If he hypothetically (knock on wood) died, who would know?
> Is he a hermit?

I visited him once, and basically, he is somewhat of a hermit.
He only plugs in his telephone when he needs to make an
outgoing call, so it's impossible to call him unless the
call is arranged in advance by email.

He did mention here a few months ago that he was having
health problems. I hope he's OK.

-monz

email: joemonz(AT)yahoo.com
http://tonalsoft.com/tonescape.aspx
Tonescape microtonal music software

🔗monz <joemonz@yahoo.com>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <joemonz@...> wrote:
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Krister Johnson" <aaron@> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have the means of giving him (Gene WS) a
> > phone call to check in?
> >
> > It strikes me as peculiar that he would all of a sudden
> > drop out of tuning-world existence. He was such a regular.
> > I know he was experiencing some health issues (what I
> > know not, but that's why he couldn't write anything for MWMF).
> >
> > If he hypothetically (knock on wood) died, who would know?
> > Is he a hermit?

I did a Google search for his name and "Dec" "2007", and
found this cached post from yesterday (assuming the date
is correct):

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:XmtKHqpLWw0J:groups.google.com.au/group/rec.arts.sf.written/msg/17ce0e0b8875ec10+%22gene+ward+smith%22+2007+dec&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=9&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Apparently he's more interested in science-fiction and
religion than tuning these days.

-monz

email: joemonz(AT)yahoo.com
http://tonalsoft.com/tonescape.aspx
Tonescape microtonal music software

🔗banaphshu <kraiggrady@anaphoria.com>

oice or circumstance.

ether mty chwish him well wh--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz"
<joemonz@...> wrote:
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Krister Johnson" <aaron@> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have the means of giving him (Gene WS) a
> > phone call to check in?
> >
> > It strikes me as peculiar that he would all of a sudden
> > drop out of tuning-world existence. He was such a regular.
> > I know he was experiencing some health issues (what I
> > know not, but that's why he couldn't write anything for MWMF).
> >
> > If he hypothetically (knock on wood) died, who would know?
> > Is he a hermit?
>
>
> I visited him once, and basically, he is somewhat of a hermit.
> He only plugs in his telephone when he needs to make an
> outgoing call, so it's impossible to call him unless the
> call is arranged in advance by email.
>
> He did mention here a few months ago that he was having
> health problems. I hope he's OK.
>
>
> -monz
>
> email: joemonz(AT)yahoo.com
> http://tonalsoft.com/tonescape.aspx
> Tonescape microtonal music software
>

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@lumma.org>

🔗Jon Szanto <jszanto@cox.net>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@...> wrote:
> Last I knew, Gene was retired. He was teaching at SJSU
> around the time he first joined the lists.

Well, FWIW, I dropped emails to both addresses commonly known for him;
one bounced and no answer on the other.

> > It does remind me that I broke my leg once, and was stuck in
> > hospital without any Internet access for a month. I don't think
> > anybody missed me,

Graham, I did, and I think we corresponded as soon as you were able to
again. This happened in China, correct?

> As for Paul, I don't know if it was the bickering so much as
> just breaking the addiction, for him.

Yeah, you're probably right, though in our conversations he alluded to
the friction.

I *do* hope things are ok with Gene.

Cheers,
Jon

🔗Jon Szanto <jszanto@cox.net>

As an addendum, he still seems to be posting, in full glory, as of
*today* over at rec.arts.sf.written on Google Groups. If you have any
doubt as to whether it is Gene, here are just two snippets:

"The rights of your fist stop at my nose, when we are speaking of
moral rights, and immoral laws be damned."

"Bullshit. It does not mention the Internet anywhere. Try again, this
time with your brain in gear."

You guys know me and my history with Gene, but you just gotta love
shit like this. I have half a mind to join that group just to post to
GWS myself...

Cheers,
Jon

🔗Graham Breed <gbreed@gmail.com>

Jon Szanto wrote:

>>> It does remind me that I broke my leg once, and was stuck in
>>> hospital without any Internet access for a month. I don't think
>>> anybody missed me,
> > Graham, I did, and I think we corresponded as soon as you were able to
> again. This happened in China, correct?

Oh, maybe. I don't remember clearly because I was offline at the time ;-) I have a conversation from you in June, but I was back in my flat with a connection from April or maybe late March. I hadn't been writing much before then what with one thing and another so I didn't think my absence was that noticeable.

The point, anyway, is that this is a community of sorts and it's good to have another way of contacting somebody in it if something ever does go wrong. If anybody had been concerned there would have been no way for them to reach me.

Graham

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@lumma.org>

Graham wrote...

> The point, anyway, is that this is a community of sorts and
> it's good to have another way of contacting somebody in it if
> something ever does go wrong. If anybody had been concerned
> there would have been no way for them to reach me.

This is one reason why I think something like the
Xenharmonic Alliance Directory is not obsolete. Perhaps
it could be implemented as a group in Facebook or
something. Just some relatively secure place to make
our phone and post addresses available to one another,
that wasn't powered by yahoo for a bonus.

-Carl

🔗Jacob <tricesimoprimalist@gmail.com>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@...> wrote:
>
> Graham wrote...
>
> > The point, anyway, is that this is a community of sorts and
> > it's good to have another way of contacting somebody in it if
> > something ever does go wrong. If anybody had been concerned
> > there would have been no way for them to reach me.

"This" is Not a community. This is a mailing list with many many
people using it in a variety of ways - some silently reading current
and past messages, absorbing; some who announce events that they put
on; some who come for help and get helped, or not; some who discuss
things, posting several times a day. I have no accurate picture of how
many people are reading this, and how they are using this.

Some, myself included, imagine contributors as individuals, though it
is easy in this medium to respond to a message and not address the
sender. Every once in a while, a certain kind of message provokes a
skulker or two to introduce themself. I started this page
<http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/ProgressReport> as an invitation
for tuningfolk to make self-descriptions; the invitation could use
some tweaking, but it stands.

The more recurrent interaction, the more the feeling of community.
But, when is "community" really made evident? Certainly when we are
worrying about Gene. But when else?

why do we talk about what we talk about? what is worth talking about?
anything anybody asks, and you'll go with it? anything anybody argues,
and you'll respond?

> This is one reason why I think something like the
> Xenharmonic Alliance Directory is not obsolete. Perhaps
> it could be implemented as a group in Facebook or
> something. Just some relatively secure place to make
> our phone and post addresses available to one another,
> that wasn't powered by yahoo for a bonus.

Would Google Docs work?

~jacob

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@lumma.org>

Jacob wrote...

> > > The point, anyway, is that this is a community of sorts and
> > > it's good to have another way of contacting somebody in it if
> > > something ever does go wrong. If anybody had been concerned
> > > there would have been no way for them to reach me.
>
> "This" is Not a community. This is a mailing list with many many

The tuning community is a community. This mailing list is
one way we keep in touch.

> The more recurrent interaction, the more the feeling of community.
> But, when is "community" really made evident? Certainly when we are
> worrying about Gene. But when else?

We we listen to each other's music. When we travel across the
country or world to meet one another...

> > This is one reason why I think something like the
> > Xenharmonic Alliance Directory is not obsolete. Perhaps
> > it could be implemented as a group in Facebook or
> > something. Just some relatively secure place to make
> > our phone and post addresses available to one another,
> > that wasn't powered by yahoo for a bonus.
>
> Would Google Docs work?

Probably.

-Carl

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@rcn.com>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Jacob" <tricesimoprimalist@...> wrote:
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <carl@> wrote:
> >
> > Graham wrote...
> >
> > > The point, anyway, is that this is a community of sorts and
> > > it's good to have another way of contacting somebody in it if
> > > something ever does go wrong. If anybody had been concerned
> > > there would have been no way for them to reach me.
>
> "This" is Not a community. This is a mailing list with many many
> people using it in a variety of ways - some silently reading current
> and past messages, absorbing; some who announce events that they put
> on; some who come for help and get helped, or not; some who discuss
> things, posting several times a day. I have no accurate picture of
how
> many people are reading this, and how they are using this.
>
> Some, myself included, imagine contributors as individuals, though
it
> is easy in this medium to respond to a message and not address the
> sender. Every once in a while, a certain kind of message provokes a
> skulker or two to introduce themself. I started this page
> <http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/ProgressReport> as an invitation
> for tuningfolk to make self-descriptions; the invitation could use
> some tweaking, but it stands.
>
> The more recurrent interaction, the more the feeling of community.
> But, when is "community" really made evident? Certainly when we are
> worrying about Gene. But when else?
>
> why do we talk about what we talk about? what is worth talking
about?
> anything anybody asks, and you'll go with it? anything anybody
argues,
> and you'll respond?
>
> > This is one reason why I think something like the
> > Xenharmonic Alliance Directory is not obsolete. Perhaps
> > it could be implemented as a group in Facebook or
> > something. Just some relatively secure place to make
> > our phone and post addresses available to one another,
> > that wasn't powered by yahoo for a bonus.
>
> Would Google Docs work?
>
> ~jacob
>

***Dunno, but by my experience over several years, I would say that
many of the posters to this list, to MakeMicroMusic and to
MetaTuning, as well as some of the other smaller ancillary lists that
come and go, do, indeed, constitute some kind of community.

Many of the people know one another, or have met face to face,
sometimes after several years online.

There is some physical interaction as well as the frequent Internet
interaction. I haven't been able to be around as much as I was at a
former time, at least for the moment, but I certainly feel that I got
to know the personalities of several of the "tuning community"
members quite well and the entire group did really seem like a
true "community..."

At one point there was even a great "Tuning Punks" page which had
many pieces, some quite talented, of many of the posters here.
Unfortunately, that wasn't maintained, and it slipped through my
fingers as well, since I didn't step forward (nor did anyone else) to
try to save it.

Like many things, these things were seen as *momentary* and
transient, but probably it is only later that we would wish we would
have preserved, like taking photographs at some event that one would
only wish to save after the fact...

J. Pehrson

🔗jrinkel@hiwaay.net

Quoting Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@rcn.com>:

> At one point there was even a great "Tuning Punks" page which had
> many pieces, some quite talented, of many of the posters here.
> Unfortunately, that wasn't maintained, and it slipped through my
> fingers as well, since I didn't step forward (nor did anyone else) to
> try to save it.
>

Joseph, the great "Tuning Punks" page you are referring to -- is that the one
that was on the old mp3.com? When you mention that no one stepped forward to
save it, I hope that doesn't mean that some of the original music that was
posted there is gone forever now.

Jay

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@lumma.org>

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@rcn.com>

***Regrettably, Jay, I believe this is mostly the case. The music
ultimately resided on one of John Starrett's hard drives which
crashed.

One would have to try to get all the pieces from the composers
again. Maybe some of them are no longer even living.

I was sorry to see and hear this happen to the Tuning Punks page, and
had urged Starrett to save it. In fact, I was personally thinking of
hosting it.

But he became too busy with his math career to do anything about it.

Alas.

My only point is that many of us found much of this
music "replaceable" or "momentary" but only when it was lost did we
really understand that there was something there that couldn't easily
be replaced with something else.

Kind of like when somebody forgets to take pictures at an important
historical or family event... It just didn't mean all that much *AT
THE TIME...*

J. Pehrson

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, jrinkel@... wrote:
>
> Quoting Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@...>:
>
> > At one point there was even a great "Tuning Punks" page which had
> > many pieces, some quite talented, of many of the posters here.
> > Unfortunately, that wasn't maintained, and it slipped through my
> > fingers as well, since I didn't step forward (nor did anyone
else) to
> > try to save it.
> >
>
> Joseph, the great "Tuning Punks" page you are referring to -- is
that the one
> that was on the old mp3.com? When you mention that no one stepped
forward to
> save it, I hope that doesn't mean that some of the original music
that was
> posted there is gone forever now.
>
> Jay
>

🔗Herman Miller <hmiller@IO.COM>

Joseph Pehrson wrote:
> ***Regrettably, Jay, I believe this is mostly the case. The music > ultimately resided on one of John Starrett's hard drives which > crashed.
> > One would have to try to get all the pieces from the composers > again. Maybe some of them are no longer even living.
> > I was sorry to see and hear this happen to the Tuning Punks page, and > had urged Starrett to save it. In fact, I was personally thinking of > hosting it.
> > But he became too busy with his math career to do anything about it.
> > Alas.
> > My only point is that many of us found much of this > music "replaceable" or "momentary" but only when it was lost did we > really understand that there was something there that couldn't easily > be replaced with something else.
> > Kind of like when somebody forgets to take pictures at an important > historical or family event... It just didn't mean all that much *AT > THE TIME...*

I know I've downloaded much of the music from the Tuning Punks page when it was up at mp3.com. Some of it may still be on my old laptop I was using at the time. The problem is it's mixed in with mp3's from various other websites, and even if we had a list of which mp3's were on the Tuning Punks page, we'd need permission from the original authors of the files to upload it somewhere.

I do have a copy of Mizarian Porcupine Overture which is probably a better quality one than the version I originally uploaded (remade from the original WAV file).

http://teamouse.googlepages.com/MizarianPorcupineOverture.mp3

I don't recall what else I contributed to the Tuning Punks page, but some of them may be on my "weirdly-tuned music" page. Most of these are not the original version, though. I may still have older recordings lying around somewhere. If anyone wants to try rebuilding the old Tuning Punks page, or start a new one, you're free to use any of these; I've put it up under a Creative Commons license.

http://home.comcast.net/~teamouse/

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@rcn.com>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Herman Miller <hmiller@...> wrote:
>
> Joseph Pehrson wrote:
> > ***Regrettably, Jay, I believe this is mostly the case. The
music
> > ultimately resided on one of John Starrett's hard drives which
> > crashed.
> >
> > One would have to try to get all the pieces from the composers
> > again. Maybe some of them are no longer even living.
> >
> > I was sorry to see and hear this happen to the Tuning Punks page,
and
> > had urged Starrett to save it. In fact, I was personally
thinking of
> > hosting it.
> >
> > But he became too busy with his math career to do anything about
it.
> >
> > Alas.
> >
> > My only point is that many of us found much of this
> > music "replaceable" or "momentary" but only when it was lost did
we
> > really understand that there was something there that couldn't
easily
> > be replaced with something else.
> >
> > Kind of like when somebody forgets to take pictures at an
important
> > historical or family event... It just didn't mean all that much
*AT
> > THE TIME...*
>
> I know I've downloaded much of the music from the Tuning Punks page
when
> it was up at mp3.com. Some of it may still be on my old laptop I
was
> using at the time. The problem is it's mixed in with mp3's from
various
> other websites, and even if we had a list of which mp3's were on
the
> Tuning Punks page, we'd need permission from the original authors
of the
> files to upload it somewhere.
>
> I do have a copy of Mizarian Porcupine Overture which is probably a
> better quality one than the version I originally uploaded (remade
from
> the original WAV file).
>
> http://teamouse.googlepages.com/MizarianPorcupineOverture.mp3
>
> I don't recall what else I contributed to the Tuning Punks page,
but
> some of them may be on my "weirdly-tuned music" page. Most of these
are
> not the original version, though. I may still have older recordings
> lying around somewhere. If anyone wants to try rebuilding the old
Tuning
> Punks page, or start a new one, you're free to use any of these;
I've
> put it up under a Creative Commons license.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~teamouse/
>

***Hello Herman and others. Well it looks as though Jay Rinkel has
many of the Tuning Punks .mp3 and he is sending them to me. A
more "aggressive" approach might be just to put the Tuning Punks page
back up there, and if anybody wants their mp3 off, they should ask
that it be taken off. How many composers really don't want their
music available, especially since it had been on the page before?
Otherwise, it's too much time and "paperwork..."

J. Pehrson

🔗jrinkel@hiwaay.net

Quoting Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@rcn.com>:

> ***Hello Herman and others. Well it looks as though Jay Rinkel has
> many of the Tuning Punks .mp3 and he is sending them to me. A
> more "aggressive" approach might be just to put the Tuning Punks page
> back up there, and if anybody wants their mp3 off, they should ask
> that it be taken off. How many composers really don't want their
> music available, especially since it had been on the page before?
> Otherwise, it's too much time and "paperwork..."
>

I'm glad I could help and provide those files. I hope the new Tuning Punks
page works out. BTW, it looks like there is a "The Tuning Punks" on
SoundClick. Only one song there, though.

Jay Rinkel

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@rcn.com>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, jrinkel@... wrote:
>
> Quoting Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@...>:
>
> > ***Hello Herman and others. Well it looks as though Jay Rinkel
has
> > many of the Tuning Punks .mp3 and he is sending them to me. A
> > more "aggressive" approach might be just to put the Tuning Punks
page
> > back up there, and if anybody wants their mp3 off, they should
ask
> > that it be taken off. How many composers really don't want their
> > music available, especially since it had been on the page
before?
> > Otherwise, it's too much time and "paperwork..."
> >
>
> I'm glad I could help and provide those files. I hope the new
Tuning Punks
> page works out. BTW, it looks like there is a "The Tuning Punks"
on
> SoundClick. Only one song there, though.
>
> Jay Rinkel
>

***Actually, this is a serious problem, since the page, created
by "Johnny Lobster" is obviously put up by John Starrett. Since I
was thinking about possibly putting The Tuning Punks up on SoundClick
myself, now I can't do it, which means it really is John's
responsibility to put up the rest of the files. I've discussed this
with him before, and I hope he finds time to do it. In the meantime,
thanks so much for sending me the files, Jay!

Joseph

is GWS ok?

🔗aaron@akjmusic.com

🔗Carl Lumma <carl@lumma.org>

🔗Jon Szanto <jszanto@cox.net>

🔗Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@akjmusic.com>

🔗Petr Parízek <p.parizek@chello.cz>

🔗David Beardsley <db@biink.com>

🔗David Beardsley <db@biink.com>

🔗Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@ozanyarman.com>

🔗Petr Parízek <p.parizek@chello.cz>

🔗Jon Szanto <jszanto@cox.net>

🔗David Beardsley <db@biink.com>

🔗Graham Breed <gbreed@gmail.com>

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🔗jrinkel@hiwaay.net

🔗Joseph Pehrson <jpehrson@rcn.com>