Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup tuning music by computer meeting 2007.12.07

Hi all on the tuning list,

I'm posting my response to Gary's report of the
last meeting (along with a quote of his report)
because some of the items concern microtonality,
namely,

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Because there was so much of interest,
i had written my own recap of the Friday
7 December 2007 Music By Computer meeting
from memory late that night.

I never posted it before because i wasn't
sure about my memory of some of the items
i was less interested in (in particular
here i can recall some programs Gary showed
us which were designed to emulate old Atari
music software ... maybe he can say more here).

So without any editing, but simply quoting
Gary's post below it for comparison, here
is my version of the meeting ...

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Music by Computer meeting
Friday, 7 December 2007

4 attending:
- Gary
- Kat
- Brink
- monz

=========

Gary:
*****

started the meeting with [Samplitude ... i couldn't
remember it, so i include it here from Gary's post]

---------

Astralis

softsynth

advertizes that it has microtonal capability

is able to load all of the Scale archive .scl files

click on lights in upper left of each section of
screen
to turn that function on
and to see data related directly to that topic

mappings of Scala microtonal scales generally begin on
C
and extraneous notes are on black keys, tuned to
refernce pitch in that octave

i examined:

* category:Indian, tuning:22-srutis
22 srutis mapped to 2 ocaves of: (white keys + C#/Db,
D#/Eb, F#/Gb, G#/Ab)
A#/Bb in each octave tuned to reference pitch

* category: African, tuning: 7-tone [sic] Mbira
actually has 8 tones per octave, all 7 white keys +
Db/C# black key

* category: African, tuning: John Kunaga's [sp?] Mbira
[now i don't remember the mapping]

-----------

Archibald 3

Realistic drum midi and wav

adds interpretation in varying degrees (0 to 100%) to
straight MIDI tracks
to 3 categories independently:

1) timing
2) phrasing
3) pitch

upon listening, i found c.75% interpretation to be
perfect

ASK GARY FOR A COPY OF HIS EXAMPLE OF THIS -- IT WAS
GOOD!

-----------

Sony ACID Music Studio 7

available for $75, minus Sony $35 rebate
at Guitar Center also another $35 rebate, making it
free

has fantastic help system
a "webpage" opens with a list of links to tutorials
each link leads to an interactive session directly
with the software

=================

Brink:
*****

showed two things:

1)
Tuning Box: a new item from h-pi Instruments
enables old synths to be mapped to non-12 microtonal
tunings
Brink and Jonathan have it hooked up to a Roland D-20
here's the webpage:

http://h-pi.com/TBX1buy.html

---------------

2)
vintage 1983 Yamaha [C-5] music computer
he had it hooked up to an old small TV for a monitor
it had a form of staff notation in one of its three
modes

the C-5 is virtually useless now, because it's so
obsolete
but it sparked a discussion of some computer and music
hardware museums,
both virtual (online) and in real life

==============

Monz:
*****

played latest version of .tonescape Mahler 7th/1
(fairly complete in notes/phrasing up to m.144)
mainly for Brink, since he heard the 2007.12.01
version last Saturday

but Gary and Kat both listened and watched Tonescape
with great interest
both volunteered to use exported MIDI-file of it with
their own VST's to make great .mp3's

- - - - - - - - -

(later note from monz: Kat already sent me an
.mp3 late on Friday night which i heard early
Saturday morning. considering that the Tonescape
file is still extremely unfinished itself, and
also that Kat didn't do any editing of the exported
MIDI file, it sounds pretty darn good. looking
forward to Gary's version. if this link still
works, here's Kat's version:)

http://h1.ripway.com/jazzcatt/Monz-sequence.mp3

if you download it, you should rename it
"mahler-7th-1-m.1-144_31-tone_1'6-comma-meantone_seq-monz.mp3"

************************

--- Gary Thompson <johnny@johnnypumphandle.com> wrote:

---------------------------------
I was asked to post some links for some of the demos
that we wentthrough on Fri. eve.
Those that missed the meeting also missed out on the
Clementines andthe cookies and Brink's superb coffee.

Watermelonman - this was demoed in Samplitude9.
One of the issues was that my 2.4Ghz laptop ran out of
CPU cyclesduring the demo.
This demo used a lot of VST modules which caused
problems forSamplitude. The rendering was OK.
Midi editing is extremely easy because of the joint
display of an eventlist and piano roll.

Also discussed Archibalddrum machine which allows you
to add vary subtle variations to drumtracks.
Using drum samples and your variation limits,
Archibald will vary theattack, pitch, timing and
velocity of drum hits to simulate a realdrummer.
Some of the examples were played and discussed.
Archibald also will generate Midi drum tracks with
variations of timingand velocity.

CheeseWhiz - was demoed using Sony'sAcid Music Studio
7.
This is one of the latest versions of ACID studio and
is superb forhandling both audio and midi data.
- auditioned loops and samples of any format
- Tutorials are built in with follow the bouncing
ball.
- fade in - fade out
- beat slicer
- midi and audio envelopes
- simple access to VST effects and instruments

Also went through some other partially developed songs
using Acid MusicStudio, but these are not posted
anywhere (yet).

One of the Instruments explored was AstralisCM
This is a pretty wild synth with hundreds of settings
featuring a twooscillator synth and a quad oscillator
synth
The features we explored most were the microtonal
selections which areset up to place a microtonal scale
over as many as 24 consecutive midinotes. The
microtonal scales can be loaded from Scala and
AstralisCM is equipped with over 100 of some popular
microtonal scales.
Monz mapped some of these scales to the midi keyboard.

We also demoed the RevisitVSTi - a tracker that can be
loaded into a host program and thencan be programmed
to sequence many samples using as many tracks as
arenecessary. We just touched the surface of this
module which is mainlycontrolled from the computer
keyboard (as are most trackers).
Also showed off some of the MOD's in both Revisit and
in ModPlug, another standalonetracker.

Joe Monz is working on a new version of Mahler's
7thSymphony and shared a portion of this work which is
being writtenin Tonescape . He generateda midi file
in 31 meantone, 6 comma [sic: that should be
"1/6-comma"] format which some of the MBCmembers will
try to use to apply to electronic instruments.
Resultswill be posted (if successful). Another version
of this symphony isdiscussed here.

Next meeting was declared to be next year on January
4, 2008. Theagenda for the meeting will be posted on
the Music By Computerpage

🔗monz <joemonz@yahoo.com>

🔗Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@ozanyarman.com>

Fantastic developments. Your arrangement of Mahler's 7th in 1/6 comma
meantone is also captivating.

Oz.

----- Original Message -----
From: "monz" <joemonz@yahoo.com>
To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 10 Aralï¿½k 2007 Pazartesi 22:32
Subject: [tuning] music by computer meeting 2007.12.07

> Hi all on the tuning list,
>
>
> I'm posting my response to Gary's report of the
> last meeting (along with a quote of his report)
> because some of the items concern microtonality,
> namely,
>
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> Because there was so much of interest,
> i had written my own recap of the Friday
> 7 December 2007 Music By Computer meeting
> from memory late that night.
>
> I never posted it before because i wasn't
> sure about my memory of some of the items
> i was less interested in (in particular
> here i can recall some programs Gary showed
> us which were designed to emulate old Atari
> music software ... maybe he can say more here).
>
> So without any editing, but simply quoting
> Gary's post below it for comparison, here
> is my version of the meeting ...
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> Music by Computer meeting
> Friday, 7 December 2007
>
> 4 attending:
> - Gary
> - Kat
> - Brink
> - monz
>
> =========
>
> Gary:
> *****
>
>
> started the meeting with [Samplitude ... i couldn't
> remember it, so i include it here from Gary's post]
>
>
> ---------
>
> Astralis
>
> softsynth
>
> advertizes that it has microtonal capability
>
> is able to load all of the Scale archive .scl files
>
> click on lights in upper left of each section of
> screen
> to turn that function on
> and to see data related directly to that topic
>
> mappings of Scala microtonal scales generally begin on
> C
> and extraneous notes are on black keys, tuned to
> refernce pitch in that octave
>
>
> i examined:
>
> * category:Indian, tuning:22-srutis
> 22 srutis mapped to 2 ocaves of: (white keys + C#/Db,
> D#/Eb, F#/Gb, G#/Ab)
> A#/Bb in each octave tuned to reference pitch
>
> * category: African, tuning: 7-tone [sic] Mbira
> actually has 8 tones per octave, all 7 white keys +
> Db/C# black key
>
>
> * category: African, tuning: John Kunaga's [sp?] Mbira
> [now i don't remember the mapping]
>
> -----------
>
>
> Archibald 3
>
> Realistic drum midi and wav
>
> adds interpretation in varying degrees (0 to 100%) to
> straight MIDI tracks
> to 3 categories independently:
>
> 1) timing
> 2) phrasing
> 3) pitch
>
> upon listening, i found c.75% interpretation to be
> perfect
>
> ASK GARY FOR A COPY OF HIS EXAMPLE OF THIS -- IT WAS
> GOOD!
>
> -----------
>
> Sony ACID Music Studio 7
>
> available for $75, minus Sony $35 rebate
> at Guitar Center also another $35 rebate, making it
> free
>
> has fantastic help system
> a "webpage" opens with a list of links to tutorials
> each link leads to an interactive session directly
> with the software
>
> =================
>
>
> Brink:
> *****
>
> showed two things:
>
> 1)
> Tuning Box: a new item from h-pi Instruments
> enables old synths to be mapped to non-12 microtonal
> tunings
> Brink and Jonathan have it hooked up to a Roland D-20
> here's the webpage:
>
> http://h-pi.com/TBX1buy.html
>
> ---------------
>
> 2)
> vintage 1983 Yamaha [C-5] music computer
> he had it hooked up to an old small TV for a monitor
> it had a form of staff notation in one of its three
> modes
>
> the C-5 is virtually useless now, because it's so
> obsolete
> but it sparked a discussion of some computer and music
> hardware museums,
> both virtual (online) and in real life
>
> ==============
>
> Monz:
> *****
>
> played latest version of .tonescape Mahler 7th/1
> (fairly complete in notes/phrasing up to m.144)
> mainly for Brink, since he heard the 2007.12.01
> version last Saturday
>
> but Gary and Kat both listened and watched Tonescape
> with great interest
> both volunteered to use exported MIDI-file of it with
> their own VST's to make great .mp3's
>
> - - - - - - - - -
>
> (later note from monz: Kat already sent me an
> .mp3 late on Friday night which i heard early
> Saturday morning. considering that the Tonescape
> file is still extremely unfinished itself, and
> also that Kat didn't do any editing of the exported
> MIDI file, it sounds pretty darn good. looking
> forward to Gary's version. if this link still
> works, here's Kat's version:)
>
> http://h1.ripway.com/jazzcatt/Monz-sequence.mp3
>
> if you download it, you should rename it
> "mahler-7th-1-m.1-144_31-tone_1'6-comma-meantone_seq-monz.mp3"
>
>
> ************************
>
>
> --- Gary Thompson <johnny@johnnypumphandle.com> wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> I was asked to post some links for some of the demos
> that we wentthrough on Fri. eve.
> Those that missed the meeting also missed out on the
> Clementines andthe cookies and Brink's superb coffee.
>
> Watermelonman - this was demoed in Samplitude9.
> One of the issues was that my 2.4Ghz laptop ran out of
> CPU cyclesduring the demo.
> This demo used a lot of VST modules which caused
> problems forSamplitude. The rendering was OK.
> Midi editing is extremely easy because of the joint
> display of an eventlist and piano roll.
>
> Also discussed Archibalddrum machine which allows you
> to add vary subtle variations to drumtracks.
> Using drum samples and your variation limits,
> Archibald will vary theattack, pitch, timing and
> velocity of drum hits to simulate a realdrummer.
> Some of the examples were played and discussed.
> Archibald also will generate Midi drum tracks with
> variations of timingand velocity.
>
> CheeseWhiz - was demoed using Sony'sAcid Music Studio
> 7.
> This is one of the latest versions of ACID studio and
> is superb forhandling both audio and midi data.
> - auditioned loops and samples of any format
> - Tutorials are built in with follow the bouncing
> ball.
> - fade in - fade out
> - beat slicer
> - midi and audio envelopes
> - simple access to VST effects and instruments
>
> Also went through some other partially developed songs
> using Acid MusicStudio, but these are not posted
> anywhere (yet).
>
> One of the Instruments explored was AstralisCM
> This is a pretty wild synth with hundreds of settings
> featuring a twooscillator synth and a quad oscillator
> synth
> The features we explored most were the microtonal
> selections which areset up to place a microtonal scale
> over as many as 24 consecutive midinotes. The
> microtonal scales can be loaded from Scala and
> AstralisCM is equipped with over 100 of some popular
> microtonal scales.
> Monz mapped some of these scales to the midi keyboard.
>
>
> We also demoed the RevisitVSTi - a tracker that can be
> loaded into a host program and thencan be programmed
> to sequence many samples using as many tracks as
> arenecessary. We just touched the surface of this
> module which is mainlycontrolled from the computer
> keyboard (as are most trackers).
> Also showed off some of the MOD's in both Revisit and
> in ModPlug, another standalonetracker.
>
> Joe Monz is working on a new version of Mahler's
> 7thSymphony and shared a portion of this work which is
> being writtenin Tonescape . He generateda midi file
> in 31 meantone, 6 comma [sic: that should be
> "1/6-comma"] format which some of the MBCmembers will
> try to use to apply to electronic instruments.
> Resultswill be posted (if successful). Another version
> of this symphony isdiscussed here.
>
> Next meeting was declared to be next year on January
> 4, 2008. Theagenda for the meeting will be posted on
> the Music By Computerpage
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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🔗monz <joemonz@yahoo.com>

Hi Oz,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>
> Fantastic developments. Your arrangement of Mahler's 7th
> in 1/6 comma meantone is also captivating.
>
> Oz.

You may not know about the work i've done on Mahler's 7th
previously ... i think you came to the tuning list after i
gave a big presentation on it at the 2004 MahlerFest.

I have already made a MIDI-file of the entire (26 minute!)
1st movement of the symphony, which i worked on from 1988
until 2004.

Then Gene Ward Smith retuned my MIDI in his "bifrost"
12-tone well-temperament, and made .wav and .mp3 files
of it, which i used for the CD i made which accompanied
my book-and-score of it. More info here:

http://tonalsoft.com/monzo/mahler/mahler7th.aspx

But all along, i always wanted to put it in a 31-tone
meantone, since Mahler himself made a comment once to
Schoenberg lamenting the loss of the "subtle distinctions"
of meantone.

So now i'm proceeding to make the meantone version,
and since it's in Tonescape, i can also watch it play
on the Lattice as i hear it. But Kat and Gary both wanted
to hear what it sounded like with really good VST sounds.

Except for one instrument (acoustic guitar) which can
make .wav, .aif, and Csound files, Tonescape so far can
otherwise only produce sound via General MIDI.

One note about my procedure: i've decided that for
Tonescape files i make of anything from the standard
repertoire, i'm going to use a 31-tone chain of some
form of meantone. The 31-note chain-of-5ths from
Gbb to Ax covers almost everything that was composed
up to around 1900.

This way, once the entire file has been sequenced in
Tonescape, i can easily swap the tuning to any other
which uses 31 notes.

So, for example, i can hear the Mahler 7th/1 not only
in 1/6-comma meantone, but also in 31-edo, or a
31-out-of-55-edo, or even a 31-tone chain of 699.99-cent
meantone (which is, for all practical purposes, 12-edo
-- but it preserves the notational distinction between
the flats and sharps).

-monz

email: joemonz(AT)yahoo.com
http://tonalsoft.com/tonescape.aspx
Tonescape microtonal music software