Traditional repertoire piano recordings in non-standard tunings, recommendations

Hi gang,

I have a friend, very learned professional person, quite good amateur
pianist, who I got hooked on the idea that 12tet wasn't necessarily
the best thing to ever happen.

Of course, my introduction to non-12 was Partch, and my tastes have
always been outsider or world musics. But while I had explained
meantone and historic temperaments to my friend, he would like to hear
piano pieces (from Classic (or Baroque transcriptions) through
Romantic period), familiar to him, played in different intonations.

I remember a long time ago Ed Foote was involved in some recordings,
but I just thought I'd ask for picks from you guys. Criteria:

1. as standard rep as possible, known composers
2. what you feel are both good performances and good recordings
3. ease of access for purchase (out-of-print or hard-to-get won't help
me much)

There isn't any rush on this, but there are people who know more about
these areas than I, and I'd appreciate your thoughts.

TIA,
Jon

So, no replies. From the most esteemed list on tuning in existence.
There could be a number of factors at work:

1. I've managed to piss off every current member
2. No good recordings exist
3. Everyone is too busy fighting
4. tl;dr
5. "Don't you know how to use Google?"

Ok, I'll check back, but I'll start asking around in other places.
Just wanted to give my pals first shot.

Thanks,
Jon

Jon, you might try to AFMM website and give a listen to Joshua Pierce
playing the Moonlight Sonata in Kirnberger III. It hits the spot for me, though
one could dither as to tempi.

I have some other unreleased Beethoven, such as the Trio for piano,
clarinet, and cello in Kirnberger II. It's a great fit.

Bach, you well know. Good luck to you, and your friend. Johnny

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So, no replies. From the most esteemed list on tuning in existence.
There could be a number of factors at work:

1. I've managed to piss off every current member
2. No good recordings exist
3. Everyone is too busy fighting
4. tl;dr
5. "Don't you know how to use Google?"

Ok, I'll check back, but I'll start asking around in other places.
Just wanted to give my pals first shot.

Thanks,
Jon

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Hi Jon,

I should have replied right away about
"Beethoven in the Temperaments", which is
the Ed Foote CD you mentioned:

http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=12088

... along with Johnny's suggestion.

I also have a Tonescape file of the first movement of
Beethoven's _Moonlight Sonata_ tuned in Kirnberger III,
in case that's of any use ... of course the listener
also gets to see the music pass before the eyes in
real-time on both the pitch-height score and the
Lattice.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Szanto" <jszanto@...> wrote:
>
> So, no replies. From the most esteemed list on tuning in existence.
> There could be a number of factors at work:
>
> 1. I've managed to piss off every current member
> 2. No good recordings exist
> 3. Everyone is too busy fighting
> 4. tl;dr
> 5. "Don't you know how to use Google?"
>
> Ok, I'll check back, but I'll start asking around in other places.
> Just wanted to give my pals first shot.
>
> Thanks,
> Jon
>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@...> wrote:
> Hi Jon,
>
> I should have replied right away about
> "Beethoven in the Temperaments", which is
> the Ed Foote CD you mentioned:
>
> http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=12088

Don't forget their 2nd CD, 6 degress of Tonality

http://www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/well_tempered_piano.html

I think you know about Ben Johnston's and Terry Riley's
JI piano works. I guess a little too far afield for your
friend?

Paul Bailey had a project where he recorded leading Bay Area
artists playing classical music with pianos in well
temperaments. Binaural recordings, to boot. I suppose you
could contact him offlist if he would send you some copies.

Oh, and don't forget Kurt Bigler's retuned piano and
harpsichord improvisations!

http://voxdigitalis.com

-Carl

Hi Carl,

Thanks for the second of Ed's albums, along with Monz prodding me with
info on the first. These are right up this alley, because my friend
knows piano from sitting at the keyboard and knows the literature
(somewhat), but going into chamber music (as Johnny suggested as a
possibility) wouldn't be as good an option. Start with what he knows,
and then move outward.

Eventually, hopefully, we'll embrace some of the other kinds of
microtonal and non-12, but right now he wants to hear familiar music
in other tunings/temps.

Thanks Johnny and Monz as well.

Cheers,
Jon

HI Jon;

Here's a link to some LucyTuned Mozart.

http://www.lullabies.co.uk/mozart.html

I do actually have lotsa microtuned classical pieces on my various hard drives, including Satie, Bowles, etc.

Anything you can send me as a midi file can very quickly be LucyTuned, provided it uses up to 12 different notes per octave.

Beyond twelve, I have to do a little editing, bounce the first twelve, and then add in the extra notes before mixing.

So if you have the midifiles of some of the other pieces that you plan to add in other tunings, I could make you some LucyTuned renditions for comparison.

So far I have found that almost everything I have tried from the common-old-garden classical repertoire seems to work easily and benefit from being LucyTuned,

A noticeable exception being some Gershwin pieces e.g. "Rhap in Blue" which have given me pitch choice problems to get it to sound good LucyTuned.

I suspect that it is because Gershwin intended to exploit the tonal ambiguities of 12edo as he composed, and my deliberately making them consonant or dissonant in the obvious ways

spoils the 'harmonic" effect that he intended.

Charles Lucy lucy@lucytune.com

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On 30 Sep 2007, at 00:10, Jon Szanto wrote:

> So, no replies. From the most esteemed list on tuning in existence.
> There could be a number of factors at work:
>
> 1. I've managed to piss off every current member
>

>

>

>
> 3. Everyone is too busy fighting
> 4. tl;dr
> 5. "Don't you know how to use Google?"
>
> Ok, I'll check back, but I'll start asking around in other places.
> Just wanted to give my pals first shot.
>
> Thanks,
> Jon
>
>
>

Charles,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Charles Lucy <lucy@...> wrote:
> Here's a link to some LucyTuned Mozart.
>
> http://www.lullabies.co.uk/mozart.html

It's a bit outside of what we're planning on getting into, but
certainly some stuff we'll listen to further down the road. Thanks!

Cheers,
Jon

What does "tl;dr" mean?

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Szanto" <jszanto@...> wrote:
>
> So, no replies. From the most esteemed list on tuning in existence.
> There could be a number of factors at work:
>
> 1. I've managed to piss off every current member
> 2. No good recordings exist
> 3. Everyone is too busy fighting
> 4. tl;dr
> 5. "Don't you know how to use Google?"
>
> Ok, I'll check back, but I'll start asking around in other places.
> Just wanted to give my pals first shot.
>
> Thanks,
> Jon
>

Cam,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Cameron Bobro" <misterbobro@...> wrote:
>
> What does "tl;dr" mean?

Maybe not as common as I thought, I see it on a few lists/forums.
Xlates to "too long; didn't read".

:)

Cheers,
Jon

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Szanto" <jszanto@...> wrote:
>
> Cam,
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Cameron Bobro" <misterbobro@>
wrote:
> >
> > What does "tl;dr" mean?
>
> Maybe not as common as I thought, I see it on a few lists/forums.
> Xlates to "too long; didn't read".
>
> :)
>
> Cheers,
> Jon
>

Too long, didn't read, eh? Man, I read Dahlgren. In German.
Well my eyes kind of glazed over from about 9/5 to the octave,
hahaha!

-Cameron Bobro