Inquiring minds want to know...

Tom wrote:

"Alas, it is impossible to do the whole piece, or even just one
movement, in JI with a harpsichord... unless in extremely short takes
with notes retuned in between!"

Gadzooks!

I pray you, tell us why justly-tuned harpsichord strings would go out of
tune any faster -- or any slower -- than the same strings tuned to
meantone, a well-temperament, 12-ET, or any other tuning? Does JI have a
catastrophic entropy-inducing effect upon metal wire, or it it simply
that rust never sleeps?

I think he was referring to the large number of notes in an octave if
you plan to modulate to a different key. Sometimes you need the same
string to be a different frequency.

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From: tuning@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tuning@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of J.Smith
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 12:04 PM
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tuning] Inquiring minds want to know...

Tom wrote:

"Alas, it is impossible to do the whole piece, or even just one
movement, in JI with a harpsichord... unless in extremely short takes
with notes retuned in between!"

Gadzooks!

I pray you, tell us why justly-tuned harpsichord strings would go out of
tune any faster -- or any slower -- than the same strings tuned to
meantone, a well-temperament, 12-ET, or any other tuning? Does JI have a
catastrophic entropy-inducing effect upon metal wire, or it it simply
that rust never sleeps?

The physical barrier (which, once you think of it, is rather obvious)
is that the JI I want has more than 12 pitches per octave.

I was simply lucky that the short excerpt of 'Since by Man' didn't
require multiply tuned strings.

~~~T~~~

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "J.Smith" <jsmith9624@...> wrote:
>
> Tom wrote:
>
> "Alas, it is impossible to do the whole piece, or even just one
> movement, in JI with a harpsichord... unless in extremely short takes
> with notes retuned in between!"
>
>
>
> Gadzooks!
>
> I pray you, tell us why justly-tuned harpsichord strings would go out of
> tune any faster -- or any slower -- than the same strings tuned to
> meantone, a well-temperament, 12-ET, or any other tuning? Does JI have a
> catastrophic entropy-inducing effect upon metal wire, or it it simply
> that rust never sleeps?
>

I would like to point out that Lou harrison wrote quite a few pieces using a 12 tone JI or various sorts.
they are recorded!
--
Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/index.html>
The Wandering Medicine Show
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After a many years break from the list studying South Indian classical music, I got back to music making
and western microtones. I have built a new musical instrument designed for several tunings between
5edo up to 240edo. The bells are made out of 2mm steel sheet spun on a lathe. The timbrical richness
of the tone doesn't invite to go any higher than 240edo. The bells can be hit with felt, rubber and wooden
mallets, bowed, played like singing bowls, played inside creating tremolo effect,etc.

The layout for the 96edo already constructed is with 6 rows of 16 bells (6 tones and a total range of an octave
starting on G above middle C)

Glissandi can be achieve at many different speeds and by sliding hard mallets or simply by striking all the
notes chromatically a high speeds.

Another bellophone has been ordered by EMI producer James Sanger. This conic bellophone will be tuned
to 88edo. In order to reduce cost I have looked at the possibility of getting this handcraft job done
in China, and I will be able to reduce the cost hopefully at almost half price. If anybody is interested or knows about an
institution that might be interested this is the time to pay just for the materials and Graham's friend in china
who is going to spin the steel, since at this point I am not interested to make money out of this.

The harmonic spectrum of the bells are too rich to search JI precision but Graham has worked out perfect timbral
intonation for these bells according to the amount of bells you want per period. This data is not available yet and
probably something to be discussed at the tuning-math list when samples become available.

Since I have been waiting to edit the video of the performance which is taking me too long. I have decided to
make these materials available (recording and pictures) in the mean time.

LISTEN to Autumn I for conic bellophone and mixed quintet

http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/Autumn

PICTURES of the conic bellophone

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=11323&id=696302104

Tony Salinas

PS. I placed links to the 96edo wiki, as for my microtonality wiki will have to wait or integrate
since I did not get many replies.

--- Original Message ----- From: "J.A.Martin Salinas" <tony@tonysalinas.com>
To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:03 PM
Subject: [tuning] 96edo & 88edo - New microtonal Instrument and composition - uploaded!

> After a many years break from the list studying South Indian
> classical music, I got back to music making
> and western microtones. I have built a new musical instrument
> designed for several tunings between
> 5edo up to 240edo. The bells are made out of 2mm steel sheet spun on
> a lathe. The timbrical richness
> of the tone doesn't invite to go any higher than 240edo. The bells
> can be hit with felt, rubber and wooden
> mallets, bowed, played like singing bowls, played inside creating
> tremolo effect,etc.

That HAD to be work, making all those hundreds bells from scratch...

> LISTEN to Autumn I for conic bellophone and mixed quintet
>
> http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/Autumn

And I'm enjoying it. I'm partial to acoustic instruments myself (and electric guitar/bass/violin/etc. by extension) and chamber ensembles. And bonus points for including bass clarinet in the mix.

> PICTURES of the conic bellophone
>
> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=11323&id=696302104

I recently got a Facebook myself, which will likely be used about as much as my MySpace (i.e. not very often). And I just requested an add, is that cool?

I did see the photo via the other link you posted. It's a good-looking instrument.

(I'm still laying low; I'm having health issues myself. Something neurological.)

~D.